So as a male transsexual you can have your penis reworked to a vagina and clitoris?
Yeah but it's not self cleansing like a real vagina, so it can get awfully smelly and prone to infections. it's beaucoup money for surgeons but part of why so many post surgery trannies off themselves.
A bit mischaracterization there. That is not even remotely a major factor in why they do. That it costs too much and isnt a fully 'real one'.
Its from:
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Gender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, being rejected by the family, friends, and community; harassment by intimate partner, family members, police and public; discrimination and ill treatment at health-care system are the major risk factors that influence the suicidal behavior among transgender persons.
The psychological autopsy of the completed suicides among transgender persons has revealed that the factors such as break‑up of love relationship initiated by the partner (64.3%), serious altercations with family members (14.3%), refusal of gender/sex reassignment by the family members (9.5%), financial problems (9.5%), being diagnosed with HIV positive in the past few days/ weeks (2.4%) have triggered the act of suicide among the victims.[14]
That's like saying Alan Turing commited suicide because of his lack of being able to openly have a male partner.
It's fine to have biases, we all do. But at least form them around the real info. You can know the info and still find 101 reasons to dislike/disagree with the choices that lead to that info.
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I'm no expert on queer subjects so that was just my two cents. I don't know any queers irl and if I do they're so in the closet they might even have kids. Because being out in this part of the world is a death sentence.
I'm no expert on queer subjects so that was just my two cents.
Then can I have the change back? I feel I was overcharged.
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@Stormwolf
I think separating it by gender is weird, and human ego to start with.
The very thing we are debating about (equity for X gender real or made up) applied to the sexes as it is: We are just as equal, but different. So we want a league that reflects that we also have a 'top tier' league that somehow is not made up of the top people, but specifically the top people of my gender. Since we are not as good as the actual top people. But want validation I am the best of the type I am.
To me, separating by sex, makes as much sense as separating by race simply because some races would be more naturally physiologically advantageous than others at some sports. So each race needs its own league to make it 'fair'.
We dont have "Caucasian basketball" and "Asian basketball" and "Ebony Basketball" leagues. There is overlap where one can be as good as the others. But there is a clear pecking order on which has the percentage of chance to have the minute physiological differences that give you an advantage.
If separating those would be considered racist, why is separating them by gender not sexist?
There are no 5 foot 3 Asian people saying they need their own basketball league as they have no chance to get into the NBA, so saying they need the ANBA. But we have the WNBA, since very few women would be able to make it into the NBA.
Remove gender and let it be you play against people of your own skill level, and dont have to worry about if they are male, female, trans, apache helicopter, or identify as a horse. Its purely on how good you are..not what you are.
Skill levels can be faked and a male transformed into a female can be starved to reach his ideal female form, and be weak as a consequence. The moment he starts eating well he can become a powerhouse and smash those who were his level a while ago.
Hypothetical situations, but possible. Why go through this mess just to satiate some fragile feelings? Let them deal with their original gender. Society needs to have some rules to not go completely crazy, and we're well underway of becoming quite fucked up.
For your example: Same can be done regardless of gender or cross gender sports. Guys do it all the time in boxing: drop weight to reach X weight class. Pound carbs before fight, beat the fuck out of the other guy. Why professional boxing has a weight in right before fight.
Every sport that strength/size/ability plays a part does this now...Not sure how you see it as a problem that might sneak in. They do it for: Boxing, weight lifting, wrestling, etc.
Yes...why go thru this mess just to satiate some fragile feelings? Take gender out of the equation totally. Only reason it exists is so equity in "Top athlete" are separated by gender to start with due to feelings of one can never compete with the other, so we make separate areas for each so both can win a trophy of "Best athlete in the world" but with the added * at the end of *Best female athlete.
WE made a special safe place for them that the bar is lowered to their ability to make top.
Who gives a shit if other people are better at a thing than you and you are a league/class/ranking lower in the tier of that sport? Strive for best in their tier.
Are you not doing it for the love of the sport? But to get a participation trophy of 'best allowed in here' in a special category we made just for you since you cannot win overall? It's literally a made up title we made just for them so they can feel "without men around, I am the best at this!"
Like Basketball and baseball have skill tiered list (major league, minor league, AAA, AA, etc). But for some reason sexes dont overlap despite lower tier having equal skilled players that could give each other a fair and even game.
We invented the very thing causing a problem, so people would feel better. If we have NBA and WNBA so women can say they are best at it [* pending]. If we are making up seperate 'Major League Groups' that are based on genetic predisposition limits, so those that cannot compete with the top in the sport can be 'top in the sport' why stop at women?
Why not a BNBA (Beta male NBA) so less skilled/physically gifted guys can say they are the best in the world [* included] depending on the specific criteria of who is allowed to join. I mean it's what we do for women..no?
Remove gender as a divider. And let skill level vs skill level dictate which level tier you are in. And we dont have to worry about how we split up 'the best at' based on anyone's genital identifiers (even if its male vs female)
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Not invested at all. I dont watch sports or even know when the season of 99% of them are. I honestly cannot name a sports star that is current, without just guessing if they even still play. I'd just know a 'name'.
Just saying if you want fair and not worry about gender...then change it not to be based on gender...
tonizito wrote:
So... combat sports without gender divide?wut
The problem with that would be?
Ronda rousey won't beat the top MMA champion (as has been seen). But I'm sure she can beat some of of the lower ranked ones. What is the issue with her fighting a man of the same ability as her? If she is evenly matched with her opponent, why does genitals matter?
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I though I was supposed to be the right-wing, woman-hating incel, but if you think that that would apply even remotely well in combat sports you're actually insane
Because for the same weight, besides speed and strength advantages most men currently competing will also have a skill advantage over pretty much all women competing right now.
And did I misunderstand correctly or you also want to abolish weight classes?
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
No I didn't want to abolish weight classes, was giving an example of how there are weight classes and skill classes.
For example lets just use boxing there is flyweight, bantamweight, featherweight etc. AND tiers: take featherweight. There is ametuer featherweight, minor featherweight and major featherweight (and others I dont know them all) as in a big fight for the belt is a "Major featherweight championship".
I'm Sure there there is women boxers that would wipe the floor with everyone one of us here, and probably most ametuer class fighters. Why do they need thier own special one? Just like there are women in soccer/football that could beat or hold thier own with nearly all minor league man teams, and some of the less than world cup level, major ones. Why are they not playing against each other?
And if removing the gender barrier has anything to do with the men that share a tier with women dont want to say they lost to a girl. Or a woman saying she stands no chance in the major leagues?
I repeat it what stormwolf said: Why go through this mess just to satiate some fragile feelings?
Maybe no woman could win heavyweight champion of the world. But that's because they are not best heavyweight boxer of the world (the champion part). Should only be one. Not a Heavyweight champion and separate female Heavyweight champion. They both can't be best at it. To do so we are pandering to fragile feelings: You may never beat him, but you are the best woman at it!
Are you saying there no combination of skill rankings that could fairly match women to men of their own ability and win/loss ratio?
If we say that we need to split them so both sexes can feel they are winning at 'Best in the world*' (*=in a specific group with better people removed) then everyone's fragile feelings should be satiated. As we are doing that in spades now. It's use literally making up a trophy they can have in a sport we made just for them, because they cannot get the bigger trophy.
If we dont care about someone feelings about playing sports, then we should be impartial and not care about any of them that play sports. Level playing field across the board, can't get out of minor leagues to major leagues with the even field? Well that's because we treat everyone the same and some are better than you at it. We aren't (shouldn't) make a seperate major leagues so they can find a bar we gave them, to get over.
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Ok, I'll walk back "combat sports" to MMA (I don't follow boxing). Cause there there are only weight classes, not this minor or major leagues; there's amateur for sure but even then I'm not sure your theory could work well.
Sure, valentina schevchenko could fuck up quite a few amateur dudes, but then would you also want to see alex volkanovski beating the shit out of some wahmen amateur featherweight?
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
@DXWarlock Are you being sarcastic? I'm not sure I can tell.
No
Nalo wrote:
I mean why not just let disabled people compete in regular Olympics. No need to pander to feelings. Right? No clearly not the same thing as trans competing with the advantage on their side. If we want fairness in sports, maybe the woman who was a bloke a few months ago shouldn't be fighting a woman.
Sure, let disabled people compete in regular Olympics if they want, why should we stop them? They wont win, but why can we not let them try? Same with women in any sport.
I feel like you guys are implying there is no overlap in the skill ranges of men and women. That mens bottom tier is better than the best woman top. Simply not true. Where there is overlap, let them overlap teams.
How is two equally matched people unfair? You saying there is no skill level women achieve that is on par with men? That there are not men with the same skill as women that play a sport for a job? There are some WNBA teams that are better than the middle of the road/never make finals NBA teams. But cant play each other, why? Reasons...that I still dont get.
Minor league baseball and some woman is as good as the men? Sorry, go play with the other women. Doesn't matter if you can match our skill, it's about being fair, well not here, but overall somehow.
One of the reasons why I dont do sports, the made up rules of leauges for sexes makes no sense to me.
Along with the trabalist chanting for random people because they wear the right color shirt. While booing other people, that could have been the same shirt color, but someone else paid them first. So boo the wrong color ones. But if he puts on your shirt one day and kicks the ball the other direction on the field, cheer for him because he is now your home team despite not being from your home area, just people are now paying him to wear the right color?...
tonizito wrote:
but then would you also want to see alex volkanovski beating the shit out of some wahmen amateur featherweight?
If she made it far enough up the ladder and ranks to be his challenger like anyone else has to, why not? Why stop her if she could manage to earn it? Even if she loses badly, if she wants to make it her goal to reach a point climbing the ladder and she can challenge him, why not let her?
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Why have weight classes! we should watch Francis Nganou or Fury fight woman and children too why should small girls be denied a chance at heavyweight title!
but then would you also want to see alex volkanovski beating the shit out of some wahmen amateur featherweight?
If she made it far enough up the ladder and ranks to be his challenger like anyone else has to, why not? Why stop her if she could manage to earn it? Even if she loses badly, if she wants to make it her goal to reach a point climbing the ladder and she can challenge him, why not let her?
I think I finally understood your rankings/great reset scheme. Still, at least with MMA, I fucking guarantee you that most women wouldn't want to fight men. Based on what happens in 90% of the fights nowadays, they're barely willing to take chances in the striking so they don't get hit by other women, let alone by a stronger man. And the skill gap between the average fighters on both sexes is also clearly visible.
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
@tonizito
That what I was trying to say the whole time. Make no sense to me why we they cannot try if they wanted to. Sure they probably couldn't make top class, but say a woman wanted to try for our minor league average baseball team here and had the skill to. Sorry won't even put you on a draft list to try to get drafted.
Not saying they all want to, or even care to try. Just saying to keep everyone feeling they can be the best at something, because of having others that are actually better not allowed in the room: The definitive line of clear difference for the top percent of players, is an imaginary line we keep for all the rest that could blend together.
I am not speak for women, or know what best. Seems arbitrary since the top of the top is uneven playing ground and unfair, that we apply it to ever rung of the ladder all the way down to kids sports (at least in US) 10 year olds playing little league tee ball? Split them by gender. They ALL suck at it, but since the top %10 of grown men in any sport that occupy the elite at it, can beat 100% of women let's keep the same mentality to keep things the same as that for the other 90%.
AmpegV4 wrote:
Why have weight classes! we should watch Francis Nganou or Fury fight woman and children too why should small girls be denied a chance at heavyweight title!
Honestly? Depending on the girls age. If she is old enough to make mature decisions, and over 18 (since under would be aggravated child abuse to fight her) and falls in the weight class. Why shouldn't she be allowed to try? If she can climb the ladder of lower ranked fighters to being able to get a match with them. Let her do it if she wants.
So again to me, it is about arbitrary gender lines. It's not always about skill as we have all pointed out, just like women some men in the sport no matter how hard they train just aren't 'built' to be elite superstars at it.
There is male fighters in his weight class, that have no chance of ever beating him and will always be subpar and ametuar night fighters. But they dont get their own split off sport because they lack the luck of physiology and genetic disposition to reach that level. Why not? They are just as physically and genetically disposed to be less capable than the top rank fighters.
Only reason (I can see) is they fall into the group of "Well you could have, but wasn't born with the right combination of genes to reach peak level. But you share genitals so same sport you go!."
Hell if I, with no MMA experience at all, somehow stumbled my way up the ladder to get a match with him. HE would beat my ass just as much if not more so than anyone else you mentioned. Ironic thing is I would be allowed simply because I am male and earned it by luck, despite having WAY less skill than someone with a vagina that would lose to him, and they are not allowed to get on the ladder to start with. Both of us is just as 'not-gene lottery' built for being a top fighter. But by luck of having a dangly bit I get to be allowed to.
That is the only criteria needed. Not my luck of being gene lottery for building muscle, speed, power and reflexes vs him, nor our clearly different levels of physiological makeups and ability based on such. Only thing that dictates if I can take this HUGELY unfair fight as an option to work towards is if I have twigs and berries, if I do I get put into that sport circle with him.
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That would be a sure way to never see a biological woman on a winning podium ever again. Is that really what you're arguing for? You can keep arguing that gender classification is arbitrary and I'll keep believing in the reality of biology. Fortunately not many people agree with you otherwise we'd have little children up against Brock Lesnar.
If one so choose to sure. Who are we to deny them the right to play what they want where and with who? If they might not win is a choice they decide. Not us for them.
And how does an adult wanting to join a league they might have equal skill at equal have little children up against Brock Lesnar?
Is that like the analogy that if we allow gay marriage, people will be banging and wedding animals?
Nalo wrote:
Yeah the thing is, you wouldn't. You don't accidentally stumble your way into a fight with Nganou. Even as a man. The difference, of course, is that men are capable of attaining that level of physicality. Women are not. Feels weird to be captain obvious but these are weird times we live in.
Not all men, that my point. There is a wide range of 'gifted' traits that lend itself to certain aspects of being better at some things/sports than other men. There is no way you can tell me there is not. Otherwise ever man that ever did it would all be equally good, the same size, shape, speed, and reflex time. and take turns fighting for #1, as they all invested the same amount of training and effort into it.
But they are not and yet we toss them into the same group given THEM 'a sure way to never see them on a winning podium'. Why? We can intrinsically know men have different limits and where. But men/women we do not until we go "No idea what that person ceiling of skill is, until they try" So they all get tossed into the same pile, and those that cannot despite trying, stay low ranked and a sure way to never see them on a winning podium.
To imply any man that 'really tries' can get to #1 is absurd and ridiculous. Some of those men overlap with women on extent limits of talent that training can get them. Why is not forbidden for those to play matches against each other? Everyone seem to only want to compare top end to top end, and blanket apply it to all levels of skills and ability.
Let me ask it this way: Why is a shitty never gonna make it male fighter, unable to setup a official record match with an equally skilled shitty never going to make it female? Or a middle of the road, average no body MMA fighter..the same.
If you can give em reasons of why everyone BUT the top end that are equal in skill and ability can not play each other. I will see the point.
All I see is people pointing out how the top 1% is not equal...got that, no shit, obvious...what about the rest that can/are?
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That's all you had to say. If you/others ask me questions I answer. If you ask me to stop, I stop.
I dont actually care about sports or who plays who. I have no horse in the race. Sports are an enigma to me on where the enjoyment is: people loyal to watching and cheering specific arbitrary set of people you never met, to win a thing based only on the color they wear, you have some optional loyalty to.
Simply stating the absurdity of how to works to determine who is best in the world at a thing. And ALSO who is best, at being unable to actually ever be best.
(All I did was change it from a thing people argue over, to a thing those people like, to see what the metric for equality vs equity is: Arguing we need to treat people fairly and compensate based on how their physiology and mental makeup make them. And for me to say they are equal and the same needs captain obvious to point out they are not. In a thread mocking people because the are different by what their physiology and mental makeup makes them, and denying to compensate to them as such based on what they actually are. Odd.)
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