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| Ankh wrote: |
Edit: I actually got 2 copies for some reason. Which is great as gf wanted the game too! |
Hey, it's me - your girlfriend! You forgot to PM me the key, dummy! PM Diablo 4 key to this account (totally not made to stalk you).
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2023 20:35 Post subject: |
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| zekkere1 wrote: | | Stormwolf wrote: | | You drew the wrong conclusion, be the bigger man and say you were wrong. Be mature. |
dude, youre talking about drama/antagonization (rotfl) because ive mentioned you and blackeyedboy talking about wt1 and youre talking about "wrong conclusion". just go for the fucking walk, its video game. its the last post im writing to you about it, get a grip.
| Nodrim wrote: |
- You can't see the stats range for items
Etc |
if u turn advanced tooltips theres range of what stat can roll on item, if thats what you had in mind |
Wow so mature. Next time just don't be a prick, but you're so mature this won't sink in.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2023 21:54 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2023 22:19 Post subject: |
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It's a beautiful game through and through.
What's not beautiful is how everything seems handled server side. Had giant case of lag earlier with a rubber band effect. Fortunately i survived, but it's truly touch and go when you're unable to know whats happening for some seconds.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2023 22:48 Post subject: |
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The game is great.
Still, although Diablo is not the only game that does this: these games can only be done with a guide, why complicate stuff so that only no-lives can come up with builds that work.
Why not design a game that you can just play and learn on the way. Sure, you could do that in diablo. But the game will be 5-10 times harder and even an experienced gamer will struggle at low difficulty this way. Either cheese the game ore get punished.
With a skill tree like diablo I give up in an instant (and this is a small one compared to POE), but even if I had the patience for this: there is no point figuring this stuff out for yourself. No, you need sigils for that perfect build, the stuff you can't even comprehend just looking at the skill tree. How the fuck does a person can figure that stuff out. You can't. The only way is to to copy-paste a build. And then it kinda feels like cheeting, like you cheese through the game cause the community gave you a build that works.
Still having fun, but cheesing mid game with an OP build is kinda meh, the alternative (figuring the stuff out and get beaten alot), also meh.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2023 23:11 Post subject: |
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I dont think you need a guide. Just don't go "All the abilities!" and stick to a theme you like in the tree and it seems to work fine.
Both me and two friends playing it have not looked up anything. I simply started with "I want a maxed count minion Necro, that is a DoT AoE god." Found things in the tree that did specifically what I wanted, and gear that lends to the stat that makes that hit harder/faster and/or enhances those skills I want, and plays fine.
I just went to skill tree, did the highlight by keywords option picked "Minions" got all those, picked "Shadow" got those, and any that made damage a AoE. And any setting in it or minions that makes more corpses as more corpse means more carpet bombing 
That's it.
Same with both friends: One wanted a Burst Damage Glass cannon Sorcerer, the other a "I just cannot die, I am a damage sponge" Barbarian.
Included with my two friends we also have my son that got it, and his friend. Both are playing same vibe as me.
And I WILL say 3 max count minion Nercos in a party is OP as hell.
With us three in the party, the other 2 friends of mine barely have to 'do' anything when a big fight starts.
33 Minions (3 of us each having 7 melee, 3 casters, and 1 golem) attacking stuff while we carpet bomb it all with DoT corpse explosions is about as "Push a button you win" as you can get.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Jun 2023 23:29 Post subject: |
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| friketje wrote: | The game is great.
Still, although Diablo is not the only game that does this: these games can only be done with a guide,. |
are you even serious rotfl your post is literally perfect example of whats wrong with modern gamers, luckily d4 isnt d3 and has some (not much) depth while being accessable to newbies. but in your case i dont know, looks like you need...i dont even know what you need lol
"We're different, bud. Remember that"
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2023 14:50 Post subject: |
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fucking 12 minutes queue, literally unplayable!!11 meanwhile i jumped today again and had 0 minutes queue, didnt even though it was release day lol. ure just whiners and whine is what whiners do, even if theres literally nothing to whine about and for a change in pc gaming market the release is smooth and game runs fucking amazing in comparison to AAA titles in recent history
as for standard vs early access - ive read somewhere that with hoghwarts legacy almost 40% or smth like that bought early access, go figure. and i bet we will see that selling option more common in the future, its simple money for the company and thats what company is supposed to do - make money.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2023 15:25 Post subject: |
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$69.99? No way.
Why walk, when you can ride.
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2023 15:33 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | You must be Sin. How you can write that nonsense and call other people whiners while whining like crazy yourself is just amazing  |
i see your begging for attention once again even if i didnt mention your nickname. u have some issues dude. dont bother me, thanks.
| keewee23 wrote: | | $69.99? No way. |
welcome to the new standard AAA game price. games actually worth buying are so rare that the price doesnt even bother me lol. rest is isodemo or 1-5bucks steam access so it literally doesnt change anything, yarrr.
edit - fuck some of the little subquests stories are fucking depressing lol. (little minor spoilers warning) - found letter from (i guess) kid to mother who was searching for him, returned the letter to her, didnt tell where i found it (only option, but it was found in overrun dungeon), she just lays down on the snow and cries that "my cruelty is limitless", jesus christ woman  
edit 2: 1st sales info pops up and:
| Quote: | | Blizzard Entertainment announced Diablo IV was the fastest-selling game of all time in the company's history, with pre-launch unit sales on PC and consoles. |
and its still 0 time in queue, while d3 had error/queue problems for few days after launch.
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zTurbo
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2023 18:20 Post subject: |
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twitch drops start today 6h for all rogue and necro
p.s.: u can leave ur phone on chat only i guess and farm it
ps2 link ur bnet
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2023 19:22 Post subject: |
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We might just be the lucky ones, we have had no queue times since it went live and we been logging in and out random between us all as we meet up at different times.
And talking to my friends about it, the needing a guide to make any build because its overwhelming seems a bit over exaggerated as this games skill tree is just a straight line, sure it zigs back and forth to give it some visual interest, but it's literally a straight line up and down. with options every now and then.
And the two bottom nodes are just "Which ultimate do you want and which passive" really if you boil it down for them.
This is about as simple as you can make it and still have options:
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Only way they could make it simpler is if it was a single line with "yes/no" as the options of if you want to select that ability.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2023 19:28 Post subject: |
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| zTurbo wrote: | twitch drops start today 6h for all rogue and sorcerer
p.s.: u can leave ur phone on chat only i guess and farm it
ps2 link ur bnet |
imo stuff like twitch drops is fucking absurd, wont bother with that. funny thing is that in game clothes look already great and you can easily transmog your char as you want. i could see myself after spending like 100-200h on char buying some cosmetic stuff but prices are way to high so fuck them, will enjoy the free ones.
hope that they make money on regular basis so seasons wil have quality content and expansions will be great. for once in the fucking blue moon mainstream company delivered something that matches they long lost quality lol (ie d2 = 1998)
| DXWarlock wrote: | We might just be the lucky ones, we have had no queue times since it went live and we been logging in and out random between us all as we meet up at different times.
And talking to my friends about it, the needing a guide to make any build because its overwhelming seems a bit over exaggerated as this games skill tree is just a straight line, sure it zigs back and forth to give it some visual interest, but it's literally a straight line up and down. with options every now and then.
This is about as simple as you can make it and still have options:
| Spoiler: | |
Only way they could make it simpler is if it was a single line with "yes/no" as the options of if you want to select that ability. |
actually with paragon boards/legendary items skills modification theres way ton depth in it that you might be thinking by looking at pure tree
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 6th Jun 2023 19:32 Post subject: |
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| zekkere1 wrote: |
actually with paragon boards/legendary items skills modification theres way ton depth in it that you might be thinking by looking at pure tree |
OH yea absolutely, I was talking about starting off and the leveling up to 50 to 'pick' your flavor of playstyle. Unless you go the 'chickens blindly pecking at a board' approach I dont know how you could make a bad character. Long as you vague stick to an idea it's pretty straightforward.
Even my sons friend that never played PoE or Diablo like games before just picked things that did how he wanted to play, and other things that compliment/enhance that and is doing fine.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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W123
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2023 03:36 Post subject: |
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Fun game. I gotta say its sometimes annoying having to rely on your very weak hitting generator to spam your damage dealing skills, the resource management is a lot more intensive than it was in D3. Also generators in D3 did a lot more damage. Enabling the tooltips showed me that the basic skills were doing like 40% damage whereas in D3 it'd be 100 or more% damage.
How much fun you have is heavily dependent on what gear drops for you.. so some people may struggle, others not so much if they get a legendary that unlocks a cool build. The open world seems enormous and while it looks great, is pretty shallow overall like most open world games. There are some cool side quests but majority of them i've seen are kind of lame.
Atmosphere is great, graphics are great. Story is predictably somewhat trash but at least it's presented well unlike D3 with its stupid ass talking head villains. Cinematically, especially the dramatic scenes with Lilith look fantastic. edit: forgot to mention the music, audio design and audio mix overall is FANTASTIC. Some of the best i've heard in years overall. Asian Leah is the low point so far
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JackQ
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2023 06:33 Post subject: |
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| JackQ wrote: | | Defently wanting to try more and even buy the full package onced a proper price will be provided. |
which will be never
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JackQ
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2023 08:33 Post subject: |
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I am so disappointed in the game. The whole play as you want is total bullshit. If you move through the open world and meet a few people, you will see the same builds over and over again. It's not because the builds are good or a lot of fun, it's because the skills make sense and there are real items that support the gameplay. If you want to skill away from the mainstream, you will quickly find that a lot of skills just stink, and there are no legendary items for them. That might still be ok in WT1 or WT2, but as soon as you get to the right endgame the whole mess just falls apart. I'm so sad.
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shadak
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2023 08:43 Post subject: |
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| polyluxx wrote: | | I am so disappointed in the game. The whole play as you want is total bullshit. If you move through the open world and meet a few people, you will see the same builds over and over again. It's not because the builds are good or a lot of fun, it's because the skills make sense and there are real items that support the gameplay. If you want to skill away from the mainstream, you will quickly find that a lot of skills just stink, and there are no legendary items for them. That might still be ok in WT1 or WT2, but as soon as you get to the right endgame the whole mess just falls apart. I'm so sad. |
Is it so bad? I havnt bought this, friends are playing but this is one of the things that would piss me off. Kind of. I dont plan to play too much of end game but if you can already feel it through out the base game, its disappointing.
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Played it a little bit yesterday. Can someone who played other hack and slash tell me does this have anything that is something new or better from PoE or Grim Dawn? Because... ehhh... first few hours are rather lackluster. Is there some other skill tree like constelations in Grim Dawn? I can't even set the behavior of my minions.
(It's not a whine post but serious question about a game that costs 70 bucks or euros)
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2023 10:14 Post subject: |
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| JackQ wrote: | | freiwald wrote: | | JackQ wrote: | | Defently wanting to try more and even buy the full package onced a proper price will be provided. |
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hes right tho, blizz isnt known for quick price dropping and game is selling literally the best in their 30 years history. i wont get discounted quickly.
as for the 1st play more focused on story/lore (trying to get everything squeezed out of it) im blown away by atmosphere they managed to create, its serious as fuck, grimmy dark fantasy, just as diablo should be, in overall tone (so far in my playthrought) its like diablo 1 and beyond - grimmness and despair, people conflicted with the church, death, hunger, hopelessness.
also music and ambient sounds are fucking amazing, just stand in the city/village for a sec and listen. doesnt top uleman but what does lol, i d say its as close to the mood and tone of it as you can be. visually in 4k/ultra it looks fucking stunning at times, really beyond what any stream/yt showed and i watched tons of them.
"We're different, bud. Remember that"
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2023 10:15 Post subject: |
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| VonMisk wrote: | Played it a little bit yesterday. Can someone who played other hack and slash tell me does this have anything that is something new or better from PoE or Grim Dawn? Because... ehhh... first few hours are rather lackluster. Is there some other skill tree like constelations in Grim Dawn? I can't even set the behavior of my minions.
(It's not a whine post but serious question about a game that costs 70 bucks or euros) |
how can anyone tell you whats better for them than in poe or grim dawn, its subjective. for me any other hns games are just mere copy of diablo, i literally cant force myself to be invested in story/lore of any of those games, even if they sometimes have better particular mechanics than diablo.
"We're different, bud. Remember that"
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| Posted: Wed, 7th Jun 2023 10:51 Post subject: |
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| VonMisk wrote: | Played it a little bit yesterday. Can someone who played other hack and slash tell me does this have anything that is something new or better from PoE or Grim Dawn? Because... ehhh... first few hours are rather lackluster. Is there some other skill tree like constelations in Grim Dawn? I can't even set the behavior of my minions.
(It's not a whine post but serious question about a game that costs 70 bucks or euros) |
Activision ported a lot of things people liked from Diablo 2 like the skills. They've also added MMO features which some like and some hate. It will have good cinematics, and maybe music (but it's not Matt Uelmann's music so meh) and production quality. If that's what you like or you like the any of the last 5 Blizzard releases than you will probably like the game. If your into gameplay then I would say there's nothing new or interesting here.
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