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vurt




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 13:55    Post subject:
DLSS adds latency?
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 13:58    Post subject:
Oh YES those frames are going to be SOOOO awesome on a Ratchet and Clank game. I mean the PS2 was a real frame engine on my TV Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 14:13    Post subject:
vurt wrote:
DLSS adds latency?


the one with the frame generation adds some latency, you can reduce it with reflex but still some left. but still better than playing with subpar fps

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Amadeus




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 14:37    Post subject:
jermore wrote:
pho08 wrote:

now with DLSS 3.0 !!

you know what that means......

202 fps 60ms latency Laughing yuss give me the frames


Yea, no

It doesn't add that much latency over the native input framerate, it's native latency + maybe a couple of ms

101fps is 9.9ms frametime? So 202 with DLSS3 is prolly under 12ms, probably 10.xms

It's all about that input latency and Reflex is also enforced with DLSS3

It'll always feel different than the real target framerate latency would but it's still preferable over native input framerate without smoother frames

I mean the only other way to reach the target framerates would be to drastically reduce graphic options or resolution

People not familiar with it (no access to it) always act like there is this great alternative to DLSS3... (or even DLSS2/FSR2)

What alternative?

Upscaling and Frame Generation are godsents because compared to all other graphic settings that games usually have they provide the biggest performance benefit at minimal quality loss

In a world without those techs the alternative would be to lower graphic settings like in the "good old days" which always had a much bigger impact on fidelity, let alone doubling your framerate

Upscaling + Framegen is a multiplier of what? Up to 2.5?

Think back about the past of what you had to do to graphic settings to more than double your FPS.

I remember and it wasn't great. You'll not notice those new techs in comparison
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qqq




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 15:00    Post subject:
Amadeus wrote:

n

People not familiar with it (no access to it)



That about sums it up. The style of stupid takes DLSS and ray tracing has brought on the wider web is astounding. Half a decade in and it's still going strong.
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jermore




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 16:31    Post subject:
Amadeus wrote:
jermore wrote:
pho08 wrote:

now with DLSS 3.0 !!

you know what that means......

202 fps 60ms latency Laughing yuss give me the frames


Yea, no

It doesn't add that much latency over the native input framerate, it's native latency + maybe a couple of ms

101fps is 9.9ms frametime? So 202 with DLSS3 is prolly under 12ms, probably 10.xms

It's all about that input latency and Reflex is also enforced with DLSS3

It'll always feel different than the real target framerate latency would but it's still preferable over native input framerate without smoother frames

I mean the only other way to reach the target framerates would be to drastically reduce graphic options or resolution

People not familiar with it (no access to it) always act like there is this great alternative to DLSS3... (or even DLSS2/FSR2)

What alternative?

Upscaling and Frame Generation are godsents because compared to all other graphic settings that games usually have they provide the biggest performance benefit at minimal quality loss

In a world without those techs the alternative would be to lower graphic settings like in the "good old days" which always had a much bigger impact on fidelity, let alone doubling your framerate

Upscaling + Framegen is a multiplier of what? Up to 2.5?

Think back about the past of what you had to do to graphic settings to more than double your FPS.

I remember and it wasn't great. You'll not notice those new techs in comparison



well it probably won't be 60 but it's not 12ms Laughing would prefer dlss2 numbers.. or actually just native
i don't mind your segment on gpu tech, but this tech does add significant latency and that trade off is your decision to make

i myself don't care much for 200+ FPS (hell i'm only 165hz here) but i dont want to add latency or reduce image quality...
i believe pho08 was just pointing out they're gonna be using it as a development crutch rather than actual optimization. it's ok you can use dlss3 if you want Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 17:21    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 17:33    Post subject:
jermore you know me so well <3
but wasnt my intention to stir up the hornet's nest

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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 17:36    Post subject:
i think everyone knew what u were going for.....but silver lining and all, could have been an amd sponsored game Laughing


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Amadeus




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 17:43    Post subject:
jermore wrote:
Amadeus wrote:
jermore wrote:

202 fps 60ms latency Laughing yuss give me the frames


Yea, no

It doesn't add that much latency over the native input framerate, it's native latency + maybe a couple of ms

101fps is 9.9ms frametime? So 202 with DLSS3 is prolly under 12ms, probably 10.xms

It's all about that input latency and Reflex is also enforced with DLSS3

It'll always feel different than the real target framerate latency would but it's still preferable over native input framerate without smoother frames

I mean the only other way to reach the target framerates would be to drastically reduce graphic options or resolution

People not familiar with it (no access to it) always act like there is this great alternative to DLSS3... (or even DLSS2/FSR2)

What alternative?

Upscaling and Frame Generation are godsents because compared to all other graphic settings that games usually have they provide the biggest performance benefit at minimal quality loss

In a world without those techs the alternative would be to lower graphic settings like in the "good old days" which always had a much bigger impact on fidelity, let alone doubling your framerate

Upscaling + Framegen is a multiplier of what? Up to 2.5?

Think back about the past of what you had to do to graphic settings to more than double your FPS.

I remember and it wasn't great. You'll not notice those new techs in comparison



well it probably won't be 60 but it's not 12ms Laughing would prefer dlss2 numbers.. or actually just native
i don't mind your segment on gpu tech, but this tech does add significant latency and that trade off is your decision to make

i myself don't care much for 200+ FPS (hell i'm only 165hz here) but i dont want to add latency or reduce image quality...
i believe pho08 was just pointing out they're gonna be using it as a development crutch rather than actual optimization. it's ok you can use dlss3 if you want Laughing


Yea well they don't even have 10ms or sub 10ms on native 120hz because they are measuring full system latency (minus monitor) with FrameView

I was thinking more general render latency

Not sure what FPS you would have to run a game at to get 10ms system latency by the time it reaches the monitor, 400+ fps? Natively.

The DLSS3 added complete system latency is 10ms or less at FPS over 100? That's more than fine.

That's like running a game with reflex or without which most people wouldn't even notice
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qqq




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 18:37    Post subject:
holly shit, this is doing so bad numbers wise. Bottom 3 with sackboy and returnal so far. It seems to be tapping out at 8K players
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StEFaN7




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 18:39    Post subject:
what did u expect? people want ghost of tsushima not this kids game

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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 20:15    Post subject:
any idea where to change the audio language in the FLT rls? it's taken from the Steam settings

edit: ok, got it. It's in the flt.ini file in the game installation folder

edit2: ok, no idea what to change it to so that it takes effect and the audio is in polish

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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 22:40    Post subject:
Only English in flt RLS afaik
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Fugen




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 22:56    Post subject:
konkol84 wrote:
any idea where to change the audio language in the FLT rls? it's taken from the Steam settings


RUNE has released Multi26 version of the game.

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zellar




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PostPosted: Wed, 26th Jul 2023 23:39    Post subject:
Why do I even care about all the DLSS shit anyway? It's a cartoon game. I can't really bother with all the effects. It's a cartoon game. I mean this type of game does well with any frame rate over 40fps. It's a cartoon game. Why is my graphics card running hot while playing? It's a cartoon game!!! I lowered everything and to be honest it looks fine. It's a cartoon game.
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pho08




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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Jul 2023 00:43    Post subject:
Could you please tell us one more time, what kind of game?
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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Jul 2023 08:28    Post subject:
pho08 wrote:
Only English in flt RLS afaik


Fugen wrote:
konkol84 wrote:
any idea where to change the audio language in the FLT rls? it's taken from the Steam settings


RUNE has released Multi26 version of the game.

Ratchet.and.Clank.Rift.Apart.MULTi26-RUNE


thanks guys!

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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Jul 2023 11:34    Post subject:
Breadcrumbs.

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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Jul 2023 19:39    Post subject:
isn't this like a kids' game anyway? what's there to be excited about?
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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Jul 2023 20:45    Post subject:
I played R&K on PS4 (they gave it away during Covid) and can't really tell it's for kids, for younger teenagers at least.
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FireMaster




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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Jul 2023 21:29    Post subject:
yeah that's what we call younger teenagers. Kids. Especially now that I'm in my 30's Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 27th Jul 2023 21:54    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Jul 2023 12:47    Post subject:
Yea it's super well made but even a super well made grilled cheese is just a grilled cheese
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Fugen




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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Jul 2023 14:09    Post subject:
Nobody posting updates for games anymore? Forum is dead for a long time? Sad

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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Jul 2023 15:14    Post subject:
Fugen wrote:
Nobody posting updates for games anymore? Forum is dead for a long time? Sad

Ratchet.and.Clank.Rift.Apart.Update.v1.727.0.0.Hotfix-ANOMALY

i think the forum is well past dead, closer to undead at this point, with only the old and decrepit roaming these dusty threads Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 28th Jul 2023 22:44    Post subject:
jermore wrote:
Fugen wrote:
Nobody posting updates for games anymore? Forum is dead for a long time? Sad

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i think the forum is well past dead, closer to undead at this point, with only the old and decrepit roaming these dusty threads Laughing


People aren't gonna talk for 600 pages about some kids games. Laughing Laughing Laughing

Give us Ghost of Tsushima and Horizon Forbidden West then we will talk.
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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Jul 2023 06:41    Post subject:
I am surprised they havn't ported Ghost of Tsushima yet, I perosnaly thought it's even more likely than Rift Apart port.

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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Jul 2023 07:27    Post subject:
Much better game than HZD.

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PostPosted: Sat, 29th Jul 2023 07:56    Post subject:
even if its a kids game its still aaa quality

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