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Neon
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couleur
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Jun 2023 22:27 Post subject: |
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I'd ditch the HDD and get a 2TB Crucial MX500 Sata SSD or Kingston NV2 M2 instead.
Both will be plenty fast for gaming, sustained writing or reading speeds don't matter here.
Between the slowest (SATA SSD) and fastest M2 SSDs you won't notice a difference in everyday usage and Games.
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couleur
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Jun 2023 23:54 Post subject: Re: Time to dust off the olde PC |
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 10:38 Post subject: |
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8600K here... I think i will go with the 7800X3D, it crushes the 13700kf, which i looked at first.. just sucks that their motherboards are quite expensive. cpu price (at least around here) is about the same.
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couleur
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 10:47 Post subject: |
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I understand the prices for these AM5 mobos are pretty high but with some luck you can jump on a CPU upgrade in 3-4 years and keep the mobo. Other developements like new USB/PCIe versions don't matter as much for gaming.
I bought an AM4 board with a 1700X in 2017 and swapped it for a 5800X3D last year for a very nice performance upgrade. PCIe 3.0 is still fine for my 6900XT and the M2 SSD etc.
Just a thought.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 10:53 Post subject: |
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I would go with AM5. Intel is dead end and AM5 can give you a few years of upgrade possibilities if you ever need one. In terms of performance there shouln't be much of a difference at 1080p - 4K resolutions.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 10:56 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | 8600K here... I think i will go with the 7800X3D, it crushes the 13700kf, which i looked at first.. just sucks that their motherboards are quite expensive. cpu price (at least around here) is about the same. |
I bought the 7800x3d...i only realized afterwards how much i had paid for the motherboard, bloody hell... 4800Kr...
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 10:56 Post subject: |
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As someone with AM5 and a 13700k
Fuck AM5
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 11:38 Post subject: |
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and the argument is exactly what?
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 11:40 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | and the argument is exactly what? |
Just look at them AM5s! Totally fuck-worthy!
But you marry an Intel.  |
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Neon
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 15:08 Post subject: |
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I’d argue that 3D cache outweighs faster memory but there have been issues with AM5 bioses still. I’d go AM5 myself but I can very well understand people who prefer Intel.
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 15:13 Post subject: |
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ram memory speed is pretty much useless. i've been on intel for ages, i can't really remember the last time i had AMD, probably in the early 2000's, maybe earlier.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 19:48 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 20:06 Post subject: |
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I'll stick with my 8700K.
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 21:39 Post subject: |
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what i am saying is it's not worth spending money on, you spend money on CPU, GPU, decent enough motherboard, hopefully one that isn't buggy. SSD is also obvious to spend money on, though again i wouldn't get highest tier, even a cheap is good enough and likely its not something that will hinder your enjoyment of games.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jun 2023 22:30 Post subject: |
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Does not matter a shit with 3D cache CPUs tho.
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Neon
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Jul 2023 16:46 Post subject: |
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I've been playing with the new PC for a week and some days, and damn, the difference in some games is staggering (AC Unity, AC Origins, AC Valhalla, No Man's Sky, The Last of Us, Shadow of Doubt, Mafia 3, Kingdom Come: Deliverance).
I also gained quite a bit of FPS in Hitman 3, but it already ran pretty well on the old PC.
Now to wait for the next generation of GPUs... 
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Danyutz
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2023 11:49 Post subject: |
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I would also like to upgrade PC by the end of the year:
running now
i7 6700k
16 bg ram
1070 gtx
Gaming will be done at 1440p 60fps max, i don't plan to replace my existing 27" monitor because the work I do on the PC is more important than gaming.
I don't plan in changing the case, but I will probably need a new fan kit.
Thanks for the thread Neona 
Budget is 1500-2000 EUR max, open to suggestions ( is and XT a more viable solution than RTX? for example ). Thanks men
and this is what I'm looking at for now.
I like cars
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2023 12:22 Post subject: |
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| Danyutz wrote: |
Gaming will be done at 1440p max, i don't plan to replace my existing 27" monitor because the work I do on the PC is more important than gaming.
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Not sure about the GPU you chose for that. It's exactly the same I bought about a year ago but I had set my mind to playing @ 1080p max on my 24'' monitor, and I feel that if for some reason I decided to purchase a 1440p screen (I don't need it so I won't) I wouldn't be satisfied with the performance in the games that I play.
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Danyutz
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Sep 2023 21:26 Post subject: |
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Been playing a bit with different parts after i did some research, this is how it looks like now.
Not sure on the GPU, there's the 6750 XT alternative ( cheaper ), but RT is tempting.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2023 14:20 Post subject: |
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Gonna go Asus mobo from now on. OC'ing my 12900k has been a nightmare on Aorus elite.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2023 18:24 Post subject: |
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does OCing still do anything truly feelable this day age except waste power n get on ur nerves when u get random blue screens?
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2023 18:57 Post subject: |
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Not worth it, only thing what you do these days is adjust memory.
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Danyutz
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Sep 2023 19:40 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | Gonna go Asus mobo from now on. OC'ing my 12900k has been a nightmare on Aorus elite. |
What if I don't plan on OC - the least i'd do is unlock the frequency for the memories
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Sep 2023 20:27 Post subject: |
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| PickupArtist wrote: | | does OCing still do anything truly feelable this day age except waste power n get on ur nerves when u get random blue screens? |
Depends on your usage and how far you get to the limit of your system.
For average users/gamers I think not, as they rarely hit CPU/GPU limit to start with.
But I can say for me, in VaM, MS Flight Sim, and Automobilista/AC Racing in VR. IT helps. Not game changing but pushing my GPU to the highest stable it can hold, ram at highest speed/lowest latency it can handle, and CPU at most aggressive auto clock AMD power curve can feed it.
I get 5-10% more FPS in VR in them. And usually makes up the difference of my headset going 1/2 rate to full rate as I am right on the edge of full rate not overclocked.
Plus AI generation it helps. Stable Diffusion gets to about 18-20 it/s vs 12-14 for images with GPU overclocked. When generating 1000's at a time that adds up.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Sep 2023 20:49 Post subject: |
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| Danyutz wrote: | Been playing a bit with different parts after i did some research, this is how it looks like now.
Not sure on the GPU, there's the 6750 XT alternative ( cheaper ), but RT is tempting.
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If you are on a budget, consider eg. Peerles Assasin cooler, Corsair memory is not worth a dime extra compared to eg. G.Skill 6000MHz C30 (if it happens to be cheaper in your shop). Personally I wouldn't buy RTX 30-series brand new anymore. I would either find some second hand deal or go with the the current AMD/NVIDIA options.
Other than that it's a solid combination which will serve you for a while unless Starfield sets the new standard. 
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Danyutz
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Sep 2023 21:41 Post subject: |
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Yeah, i guess I will play around with models. Might jump to 4070 instead and also check what's AMD going to release soon.
I haven't upgraded ( apart from GPU ) since 2015, so I tend to use the builds for quite a while - also I don't play with OC either.
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