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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Oct 2023 13:18    Post subject:
7900x3D has 3d cache only for 6 cores, get 7800x3D instead.
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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Oct 2023 21:12    Post subject:
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trollpower




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PostPosted: Sun, 1st Oct 2023 21:17    Post subject:
thanks for tips, I will look into 7800x3d and also wait for 14900k tests. The 5800x3d seems not worth to upgrade from 9900k. Smile


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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Oct 2023 00:17    Post subject:
Didn't realise 14700k was so close

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ixigia
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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Oct 2023 21:04    Post subject:
I could have probably waited a bit more (not really since I've been stuck with an Intel 3000 that can barely run Chrome Laughing Very Happy) but I already got a decent deal on the 13700k that I'll be pairing with a 4070, so the glorious potato finally got its replacement. Hopefully everything will arrive next week.

The i5 2500k is actually still alive and kicking despite thousands and thousands and thousands of hours of intensive gaming over the years at semi-desert-like temps, it's definitely earned the new position of Senior MSOffice PC and VP of basic tasks.
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vurt




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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Oct 2023 23:04    Post subject:
Congrats on the upgrade ixigia! Always fun getting a good upgrade
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slal




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PostPosted: Tue, 3rd Oct 2023 23:56    Post subject:
Nice upgrade Ixi! Smile
My old 2500k is still kicking asses in my folks PC.
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Oct 2023 00:03    Post subject:
i7 920 and 3770k here

i have a ryzen 1600 lying around that i cant be bothered to swap to lol, just had it with the industry and their moneygrabbs killing any excitement i had left
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tonizito




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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Oct 2023 00:29    Post subject:
ixigia wrote:
I could have probably waited a bit more (not really since I've been stuck with an Intel 3000 that can barely run Chrome Laughing Very Happy) but I already got a decent deal on the 13700k that I'll be pairing with a 4070, so the glorious potato finally got its replacement. Hopefully everything will arrive next week.

The i5 2500k is actually still alive and kicking despite thousands and thousands and thousands of hours of intensive gaming over the years at semi-desert-like temps, it's definitely earned the new position of Senior MSOffice PC and VP of basic tasks.
Dayum. History being done right in front of our eyes, an ixigario system upgrade Shocked
Just in time for Derpfield too Awesome


boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
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ixigia
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Oct 2023 01:25    Post subject:
Thanks men <3
Yeah to say that it was long overdue is an understatement haha Very Happy - fingers crossed for all the parts to work well (including the new 1440p monitor), the patient bear's patience has been tested even too much!

The Pagliafield Experience will have to wait though, I'll probably have some fun with it despite..everything, but I really need to see what the community will come up with to mitigate the game's inner hurrdurr-ness Razz
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escalibur




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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Oct 2023 08:40    Post subject:
Congratz Ixi! What could be a better way to spend holiday season but playing new(ish) games. Smile


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couleur
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Oct 2023 08:45    Post subject:
Good on you ixigia and good choice for a decent combo.


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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Oct 2023 09:11    Post subject:
Nice upgrade ixi, now you can enable every single black magic AI stuff to generate many fps (atleast 30 in modern games).
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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Oct 2023 10:43    Post subject:
Wow! Ixi finally upgarded his PC!!!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Just need to update your depr-internet.


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4treyu




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PostPosted: Wed, 4th Oct 2023 15:16    Post subject:
Congrats @ixigia on the hardware upgrade!

ixigia wrote:

but I really need to see what the community will come up with to mitigate the game's inner hurrdurr-ness Razz


...and wise decision Very Happy I'm doing exactly the same. Plenty of titles to play in the meantime.
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Thu, 5th Oct 2023 22:58    Post subject:


very game dependant differences 0% to 25%
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FireMaster




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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Oct 2023 09:40    Post subject:
Get financially gaped by early adoption of AM5 or buy much cheaper and solid 5000 CPU u can install on your current mobo?
Still on first gen Ryzen here on one of my computers, if I ever bother to upgrade it I sure as shit am not buying a whole new mobo and cpu for the price of an entire new computer lol. I'll just stick a $200 Ryzen 5000 CPU and feel great.

Congratz ixi on the upgrade sounds really really long overdue, you're gonna feel like a god.
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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Oct 2023 10:43    Post subject:
FireMaster wrote:
Get financially gaped by early adoption of AM5 or buy much cheaper and solid 5000 CPU u can install on your current mobo?
Still on first gen Ryzen here on one of my computers, if I ever bother to upgrade it I sure as shit am not buying a whole new mobo and cpu for the price of an entire new computer lol. I'll just stick a $200 Ryzen 5000 CPU and feel great.

Congratz ixi on the upgrade sounds really really long overdue, you're gonna feel like a god.


Indeed, get a nice second hand 5800X3D it will make a huge difference for you.


"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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trollpower




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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Oct 2023 14:33    Post subject:
how many generations can we expect for AM5?

still debating in my head what to do...

i9 13900k & i7 13700k need fucking powerplant to run & gaming performance is with i9 less or leveled with 7800x3d. I really doubt 14th gen will be less power hungry or there will be significant increase in performance. So 7800x3d it is for me then... but...

Yesterday I added all the components (basically whole new PC, as I plan to sold the old one without GPU - hope to get around 500 EUR) and the final bill was 1400 EUR... so not exactly sold to this idea yet.... also heard horror stories regarding for AM5 and DDR5 boot issues, bsods...

this what I want to build... but is it worth? probably not Laughing
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
MB GIGABYTE X670 AORUS ELITE AX
Kingston FURY 32GB KIT DDR5 6000MHz CL36 Beast Black EXPO
Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black
M2 Samsung 990 PRO 2 TB
case: Lian Li Lancool II Mesh Performance Black
Seasonic Focus GX 850 Gold (for RTX 5080/90 future upgrade Laughing )

but if the AMD plans atleast two new CPU generations for X670 it might not be the worst idea... Laughing


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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Oct 2023 14:47    Post subject:
AM5 will be around for a long time, same as AM4.
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Oct 2023 14:54    Post subject:
will it? isnt ddr 6/pcie 6 already close ? ddr5 was and still is massively delayed, we should have had 10.000 speed by now already
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trollpower




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PostPosted: Fri, 6th Oct 2023 15:25    Post subject:
I mean the worst thing is that I need 5 more fps in Cyberpunk 2077 (it dips to around 55fps in complex scenes with RT - cpu bottleneck & it pisses me off), so that's what makes it as worse idea ever to upgrade Very Happy

the other game which will massively benefit and will be playable is MS Flight Simulator... it looks like that 7800x3d can go to 60fps even in big cities... bf2042 it will help also... but I am not playing that and kinda got used to 80fps cap...


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trollpower




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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Oct 2023 20:18    Post subject:
damn I did it, now I am AMD peasant... sold old i9 9900k PC without GPU for 550EUR Whirling cane

anyway BF 2042, Forza Motorsport runs much better, Cyberpunk, Witcher 3 including RT effects Fuck Yeah


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WrongID




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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Oct 2023 11:01    Post subject:
I would try to go with DDR5 6000MHz CL30 if possible
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trollpower




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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Oct 2023 11:12    Post subject:
WrongID wrote:
I would try to go with DDR5 6000MHz CL30 if possible
should I replace with Corsair 32 GB KIT DDR5 6000 MHz CL30 Vengeance Grey EXPO (PC5-48000, CL30-36-36-76)? Actually 5 EUR cheaper, but didn't like the design.

I can return the Kingston sticks (CL36-38-40), but will it make difference?


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WrongID




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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Oct 2023 13:12    Post subject:
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Differences are not big, but might give a bit of an inprovement
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trollpower




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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Oct 2023 13:59    Post subject:
ok, so ordered this one: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/corsair-vengeance-rgb-expo-32gb-2x16gb-ddr5-pc5-48000c30-6000mhz-dual-cha-my-4du-cs.html

lets hope they will post Laughing they are on supported list of my mobo so should be good, other issue might be they are taller than Fury sticks... so hope the DH15 fan will fit the case ....


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Breezer_




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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Oct 2023 14:03    Post subject:
You probably need to enable "power down enable" setting in bios @ memory settings, this made my rig as stable it can be, had major issues without that setting when EXPO was enabled.
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trollpower




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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Oct 2023 14:50    Post subject:
so far no crashes with default bios settings + expo. Only few really random long post/boots (like 2 minutes pending on RAM, but yesterday it was flawless)

Anyway changed the order to non RGB one (same model)... as it will probably not fit or there will be risk I will not able to close the glass door on case. (+1cm for Corsair RGB modules)

I am also shocked there is no RGB on 300+ EUR motherboard Laughing for i9 I bought also Aorus and there was maybe too much RGB ... now nothing Surprised

thanks for tips


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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Tue, 10th Oct 2023 18:03    Post subject:
for 300 eur my mobo should have a fleshlight with autosuction and a port to give me a blowjob ... Twisted Evil
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