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vurt




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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Nov 2023 20:46    Post subject:
No. Prices for real art will go up. This is always the case. Analog is king for rich people, for big commercial studios with money. AI is the tool of the poor, just like producing music in your DAW vs an expensive and well known studio or using an orchestra, you can promote that entirely different...

A trained musician or orchestra or a painter always has an edge. Their prices will go down (when AI is still considered fresh/cool/interesting) then up, that will not take long.

We are so feed up with CGI that we've even started using puppets in some movies. Even though it looks far worse. So not even what looks or sounds best is always important, what's more expensive or is considered exotic or rare can absolutely compete.
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PostPosted: Sun, 19th Nov 2023 20:47    Post subject:
FireMaster wrote:
The artist is dead, long live the prompter Laughing


How long before the prompters are dead though? AIs will likely keep evolving to a degree where prompting requires less and less skill until it turns into mere wish formulation.
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PostPosted: Mon, 20th Nov 2023 07:46    Post subject:
So, he ain't coming back (Altman). I guess Microsoft now wishes they had more control over the board. All those billions well spent Laughing This is Unity levels of crazy.

I personally find it quite crazy how they talking about safety regulations in AGI, while we are at least 100 years away from that.


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PostPosted: Mon, 20th Nov 2023 10:06    Post subject:
welp....

Quote:
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella announced that both Sam Altman and Greg Brockman will be joining to lead Microsoft’s new advanced AI research team.


Cant wait for WIN-AI Laughing

....And OpenAi put former Twitch CEO in charge Scratch Head
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PostPosted: Mon, 20th Nov 2023 13:49    Post subject:
talking about safety is a smokescreen to hide the levels of bullshit this whole bubble industry is

also am i right to assume if two people ask the exact same question word for word, they will still both get a slighty different answer/variation from chatgpt ? which will be hugely problematic for basic stuff that have only one truly right answer like law/health/math stuff
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PostPosted: Mon, 20th Nov 2023 14:08    Post subject:
The way you phrase that is ambiguous on if two different answers are 'bad'. Not sure what you mean so cannot comment on if you mean: two different (one wrong), or two different, one phrased a different way.

If the first one:
- Laws: That is no issue, ask 10 lawyers the legality of something, they can say it 10 different ways and all be right. Just they use different phrases, words, or such. Context matters.
- Health: Same thing, I have asked both my doctors (primary and specialist) about something got two different responses, and both was saying the same thing. I'd be MORE creeped out if they said the same thing word for word.
-Math: Perfectly fine. You can do equations multiple ways, with multiple different ways to 'work it out' and get the right answer.

So if you are saying two differently said answers are a problem. Then not really. No different than asking two professionals the exact same worded question, and getting two different ways to explain the same thing.

Take the math example. Ask: Why is 2+2 = 4.
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If you are saying two different (one wrong) is a problem, then yea. But without examples of it, can't comment, on your comment of how its bad and wrong.


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PostPosted: Mon, 20th Nov 2023 14:35    Post subject:
It's still 'just' a language model. It doesn't even know what math is, like a proper AGI would.


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PostPosted: Mon, 20th Nov 2023 14:40    Post subject:
HIz wrote:
welp....

Quote:
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella announced that both Sam Altman and Greg Brockman will be joining to lead Microsoft’s new advanced AI research team.


Cant wait for WIN-AI Laughing

....And OpenAi put former Twitch CEO in charge Scratch Head

Still, smart decision from Microsoft. They 'only' had 49% share of OpenAI, and now they have Altman (+ other key players who also quit) internally.


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PostPosted: Mon, 20th Nov 2023 15:03    Post subject:
Il_Padrino wrote:
It's still 'just' a language model. It doesn't even know what math is, like a proper AGI would.

Oh yea, no doubt. didnt mean the imply it was on the level of wolfram alpha (bad comparison as its not 'ai', but you know what I mean I hope.).
But more that, without more context of what two 'different' answers mean. it's hard to answer if it is a problem it does.


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vurt




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PostPosted: Mon, 20th Nov 2023 15:45    Post subject:
Il_Padrino wrote:
It's still 'just' a language model. It doesn't even know what math is, like a proper AGI would.


it does, but it sometimes "hallucinates" stuff. seems to happen more with math, but maybe its better with chatgpt 4, haven't really compared.

this video is quite interesting, maybe it was posted before here, can't remember. anyways, it's super complex stuff this.. we don't even know how it works really, similarly to the brain, it's so complex that it gets hard to grasp.

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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Nov 2023 02:42    Post subject:
"667 of OpenAI's 770 employees have threaten to quit."

i wonder if someone has regrets.
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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Nov 2023 08:40    Post subject:
"I deeply regret my participation in the board's actions. I never intended to harm OpenAI. I love everything we've built together and I will do everything I can to reunite the company." Laughing

https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028


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PostPosted: Tue, 21st Nov 2023 09:04    Post subject:
like clockwork. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Nov 2023 18:13    Post subject:
https://twitter.com/immasiddtweets/status/1728436676446589395/photo/1

does that work ? i can aks chatgpt if they wrote something and the answer is 100% correct??? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Nov 2023 19:48    Post subject:
No, it has no memory of all chats it ever had.


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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Nov 2023 20:21    Post subject:
mz thats actually dangerous, like for example google searches are important in murder trials, so if i ask chatgpt how to murder anyone best or hide a body, this isnt stored somewhere?
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PostPosted: Sat, 25th Nov 2023 20:29    Post subject:
Actually google searches are auxiliary (circumstantial) evidence, not primary in a murder trial. By the time they provide it, they already have more than enough actual proof to arrest, charge, and convict you on it. The google results just 2nd hand reinforce that you did it by lining up with your intent.

It's not that important to it. No trial has been won/lost on the evidence or lack of, of your search history.

Plus if you are resorting to asking chatGPT for help on how to, I don't think they would need it, you would have been so bad at it they would have plenty already to convict you Razz
Same with google searches, usually the person googling it is so clueless on how to, they got mountains of evidence to show you did, the google search evidence is more them going "Look how bad they was at planning this, the had to google how to, FROM THEIR OWN HOUSE!". vs using a library, or other place that isn't their own pc/phone.

It's used to show incompetence in intent, not guilt. The actual crime evidence proves guilt.
I can google how to kill someone all day, doesn't show/disprove I ever did that.

(This is in US law anyway, only law I have any knowledge and experience in)


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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Nov 2023 13:48    Post subject:
cool info, i do think u underestimate the fact that its not the law who decides if someone is guilty, but a jury of commen joo's n karens and in their mind i think it weights more heavily, nobody just googles how to dispose of a body the day or week before a murder ...


https://twitter.com/donacsgo/status/1728529192130613740/photo/1

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vurt




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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Nov 2023 14:02    Post subject:
yeah it can be really retarded, we have a climate activist here who should've gotten a sentence but the climate activist jury decided that because we have a ""climate emergency"" he should be freed of all charges Laughing there's been many similar cases, usually commies or non whites who are freed of everything because of activist jury.
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PostPosted: Sun, 26th Nov 2023 18:03    Post subject:
@PickupArtist
Your missing my point thought. If they are at the point of seizing your electronics during a house warrant search, or petitioning google for your search history. They already have you found out and enough evidence to convict. They just want 101 nails in the coffin over the 100 nails they brought. Tire tread and wear pattern matching your car at the scene of the crime is more direct damning solid proof than your google history.

And yes it is a jury of common joes n karens, but yours forgetting that lawyers are really good (A decent one anyway) at making those joes and Karen's second guess circumstantial evidence.
So only if the prosecution has an airtight case to start with, with they risk adding circumstantial evidence as icing to reinforce guilt. Only if they know they can convince guilt, will they start to try to prop up that guilt.

Which would convince you 'beyond a shadow of a doubt':
- This man's wife was killed and put in a barrel of acid, and the main critical evidence we have is he googled searched 'does muriatic acid dissolve flesh'.
or
- This man's wife was killed and the main critical evidence we have is his fingerprints on axe used to chop her up, that axe was found buried in his backyard, blood found in the trunk of his car, his DNA under her fingernails from her defensive scratches, she was in a barrel full of acid the type he uses at work. and as linking evidence to tie intent of cause to all that...he googled searched 'does muriatic acid dissolve flesh'.

(IE the search history is the cherry on top, never the pie itself. By itself a half decent lawyer can make a jury second guess the search reasons without damning evidence to start with. Maybe he was wondering if he got it on him while working, how long he had before he was in serious trouble...who knows? He does work with it everyday. Can make 'not beyond a doubt' arguments on why he searched that without main evidence needed, that is already damning him.)


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PostPosted: Mon, 27th Nov 2023 18:02    Post subject:
Song I made for my friends Avi's PC store for him to use in a commercial.

His store is called "DNA computers" and his high end custom water cooled gaming line is called Double Helix:
https://jmp.sh/s/RfxWhSryyMIhuadzgr1S


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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2023 00:22    Post subject:
In case anyone wants a place to find the public AI stuff:
https://theresanaiforthat.com/


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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2023 00:42    Post subject:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/18564ts/why_are_ai_devs_like_this

They fucked up, because the text you input sometimes shows up in the image itself, as does the automated meddling from ChatGPT, eg ^^^^ Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2023 00:47    Post subject:
Why I run locally whatever I can (that there is a local one for).

I control the prompt, model, loras, and so on. Plus WAY faster, no limit, and always free Very Happy
Whatever it gives me clearly my own doing/fault..lol


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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2023 01:17    Post subject:
Yeah, but the understanding from the AI goes down the toilet

Nothing I have used (and for work, I've tried every single one I can find) comes even close to DallE 3.0

There are other limitations to not running it locally that annoy me more. For example, it won't do guns
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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2023 01:26    Post subject:
I dunno standard SD with models for your style/look is really good, I like it a lot more than Dall-e.
And the time it takes Dalli to make an image, I can make 40.

Tried them now to make these two pics, since I didn't use Dall-e since 2. But it's still not as good to me.

Prompt: a woman with black hair, wearing casual clothes, standing in front of a sleek, modern car. The car has a futuristic design. The setting is an open parking lot with a few trees in the background"

Dall-e image:
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A random SD model, just whatever model was loaded when I started Automatic1111, didn't even pick one 'good' for it:
(no loras, no face fix, none of that used. Just the raw prompt on the model. Toss in a lora or two and it gets even better)
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vurt




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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2023 01:29    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/18564ts/why_are_ai_devs_like_this

They fucked up, because the text you input sometimes shows up in the image itself, as does the automated meddling from ChatGPT, eg ^^^^ Laughing


Haha random race swap, that'll work...

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PostPosted: Tue, 28th Nov 2023 01:36    Post subject:
SD gets good with control net and custom checkpoints, but without that maybe DALE 3 is better. Also SD you can fine tune yourself without too much trouble + there are hundreds of checkpoints to download as well, even some which are trained on the best that DALE 3 has to offer so... you have hundreds of extensions for SD, DALE3 doesn't touch it.

just the UI's alone are expanding monthly... FOOOCUS, webUI, ComfyUI.. then you also have SDXL.. animate dif promt travel and a ton of others for movie creation, they're all in https://softology.pro/voc.htm super accessible and easy to install..


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