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WaldoJ
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| vurt wrote: | @WaldoJ lol i exposed you for what you are, total fake shill who can't even keep your plot together in one post.. Dream on that you have any kind of credibility after that 
It's advertised towards fans, no one can deny it, it's straight from KS, yet he's letting them down + also lying again and again + saying he doesn't care about reviews because he's getting paid nonetheless. lol, he's speaking like a man who knows he's dug his own hole, there's no return after this failure and exposure.
He should've learned from Silent Bob, but no, he's making an ass out of himself saying all the wrong things. The two remaining geeks who listened to his podcast have now left.
If he has so many geek fans then how come his videos, on his own channel, still have more thumbs down than ups.. sorry but you're totally clueless and as full of shit as always.
Boomers aren't buying the toys, they're a little too old i think. it's people in my age 40-50's... since i am a collector i do follow tons of YT channels, instagram channels, Facebook groups, review channels so i'm well aware of the age group since i interact, buy, sell...
@VonMisk indeed. finally someone with some knowledge  |
Lol. You exposed not a single thing. And who exactly am I shilling for? Because I'm calling out your hypocrisy? They are calling it a "sequel" to the 80s cartoon. Not the various reboots. Like I said many a time there is plenty of heman content, plenty of lore that many of these anti-sjws don't know.
You just don't understand marketing it is that simple.
Are sjw infecting the media. Yes. Is he-man the battle to fight? Nope. Is Kevin Smith a woke narcissist? Yawp. Is it a sudden change? Nope. Does he still have fans? yop. I told you the big news coming out of Netflix and many other streaming platforms. But that is a non issue to you.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Mon, 26th Jul 2021 17:23 Post subject: |
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I still dont understand the confusion, it seems self explanatory:
Complain a show is not at all to the fans liking, and is made for a different audience. But yet defend that it must be targeted at the fans, when again, even the fans say it must be made for someone else since its content clearly isn't for them.
Sunken Cost fallacy at work here.
Its somehow simultaneously targeted for us, yet made for someone else. 
I think its the case of no matter your desire and wishes it was for you, and anger it was not. It clearly is not. Because not many fans likes it. Good or bad of that aside, they tried from the get go to target other than you. IF they hit that target or not is beside the point. Fans are just upset to find out they are not even on the dart board they was aiming at..and yelling "Yes we are! we are ALWAYS the dart board".
At worst, they just missed BOTH targets. The one you mistakenly thought they was aiming at, and the one they was trying for.
But I do get the disparity of loss between the two groups. You guys have investment and hype that was not fulfilled. The target audience has the luxury of no investment, so disinterest loses them nothing to start with.
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Jul 2021 00:14 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | I still dont understand the confusion, it seems self explanatory:
Complain a show is not at all to the fans liking, and is made for a different audience. But yet defend that it must be targeted at the fans, when again, even the fans say it must be made for someone else since its content clearly isn't for them.
Sunken Cost fallacy at work here.
Its somehow simultaneously targeted for us, yet made for someone else.
I think its the case of no matter your desire and wishes it was for you, and anger it was not. It clearly is not. Because not many fans likes it. Good or bad of that aside, they tried from the get go to target other than you. IF they hit that target or not is beside the point. Fans are just upset to find out they are not even on the dart board they was aiming at..and yelling "Yes we are! we are ALWAYS the dart board".
At worst, they just missed BOTH targets. The one you mistakenly thought they was aiming at, and the one they was trying for.
But I do get the disparity of loss between the two groups. You guys have investment and hype that was not fulfilled. The target audience has the luxury of no investment, so disinterest loses them nothing to start with. |
Problem with "Fans" is that to many of them keep telling us that FANS don't like it because bla bla bla.
Well they really should be more clearer when they talk about FANS. Because labelling everyone Fans is like reporting the news by telling us "Some people say" like that is enough evidence to support their latest news story.
By saying Fans say, or some people say, they really just haven't said anything worth of note.
"Sometimes when you do things right, people are not sure you've done anything at all." -- God (Futurama)
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Jul 2021 00:19 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: |
You just don't understand marketing it is that simple. |
I understand marketing very well and i understand why this failed / getting review bombed, it's very, very simple. If you're building on an established brand you obviously support the fans first and foremost because they're a "set" audience that comes for free, any new audience that comes is nice too, because they will absolutely come. If the fans are happy they will spread positivity - positive reviews, they will start fan pages, they will show the new toys on Instagram etc etc.. The brand will get traction, and for free.
This is what you want, that is how you market and get that extra push via social media.
There's obviously a very good reason why KS surrounded himself with He-Man merch, showed lots of He-Man parts from the series, told He-Man is not "stepping aside" etc when he promoted the show, he knows he's the main selling point.
But like so many other companies who's tried the bait and switch trope - it's just not working.
I mean such a thing could potentially work if the stuff you write is just so immensely good that fans will just take it, but it never is. He fucked up the characters, he didn't see the show (or didn't research it fully) so lore for e.g Skeletor is wrong.
It didn't even work that well for Star Wars. They baited with the original cast, but then they hardly used them or just handled them very, very poorly by making fools out of them or killing them off - fans gets pissed etc.
It serves no purpose (other than rather worthless brownie / woke points) to change it into the Teela show. The female variant of Masters of the Universe has never been popular historically. Will it find that new audience, does it even exist? He can follow the numerous other shows, movies, comics who's done similar things, it always fails because that audience is basically non existent. Go woke, go broke. It's not just a meme. Sure, like he said, he doesn't care because he got paid in advance from Netflix anyways, but he's now lost the (very) little credibility he had. He's an idiot who had a chance to redeem himself a bit amongst nerds + turn it into a profitable brand.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2021 12:34 Post subject: |
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@vurt
See I think thats the fundamental part where we disagree. Not saying I'm right, your wrong or vice versa. Just we disagree on speculation of it.
I dont think its a 'woke' thing. Just they made the 2nd in line of the characters from old the main character, and did the whole thing out of color, including her.
Since if it was some male character, and they did the exact same thing people would just complain it was poorly written and out of vibe for the story to act that way. She JUST happens to be a female so it can be neatly pinned to as fem/woke agenda for an easy to hit target of why the dislike.
If its a female character, its chalked up to because she is female.
If its a male character, its chalked up to simply bad writing and pacing.
Because you have to admit most the time, if it's a badly written pushy angry character and its male is just considered 'bad', if it's female its 'bad woke/feminism'.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle of us both. Bad writing regardless of the gender playing that role, and someone along the line deciding to tweak the knob up on her doing it by 1 because she's female. (Who knows).
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2021 16:02 Post subject: |
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We all remember married with children. You can blame bumbling failures of men in television/movies on that. We liked him cause he was crass and said what needed to be said but underneath it all he was just a failure in life and everything. A complete loser.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Jul 2021 16:35 Post subject: |
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| monk3ybusin3ss wrote: | | https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/he-man-masters-of-the-universe-revelation-kevin-smith-netflix-1235026831/ |
4D chess thing it sounds like, i wouldn't mind if that's what he's doing. It's perhaps not an ideal thing to do because the angered fans will most likely not come back i think, and it will certainly look like KS did it out of spite, kind of... he knew fans would get angry, and then he can easily get back at them, pat himself on the back. I'll give him some credit if that's what he's doing, because it would be pretty funny.
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WaldoJ
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I don't think they knew fans would get angry. I think they had no idea what he-man was, what the story was, what the core concept was, and just quickly did a quick read through the comics, watched some episodes and voila we are gonna make a spiritual sequel without the nuances and the core concept. That's where they fucked up. Had they done an adventure show in the he-man universe, it would be cool. It could work. But they didn't embrace the source material. They had no idea what they were doing, assuming they were doing something great because Netflix isn't gonna say naaah this sucks. It's shumacker batman
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Masters.Of.The.Universe.Revelation.S01E06-E10.1080p.WEB.H264-PALEALE
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