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| LeoNatan wrote: | This is a product for consumers, not a technology. If Google’s search engine was returning only results claiming there was no October 7 attach, or Google Image Search returning black nazis, those products should be and would be ridiculed similarly. This is a product on the same level, marketed as such.
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If google search was less than a month live, and did it, it would be reasonable to assume its still got kinks to work out.
You ever use google when it was new way before it overtook Yahoo/whatever as popular engine? it SUCKED way more than it does now.
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Feb 2024 17:31 Post subject: |
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I have to side with Leo here, while Gemini got released for public use recently, it was in development for much longer than that. It's also in direct competition with a very strong existing offer, it cannot be this bad, no matter how early it is in its post-public release life.
If they knew of these shortcomings in advance, they should have waited a bit longer before public release, because this will be definitely damaging for them in the long run.
How something as evident as this went under their radar is kind of puzzling and honestly, doesn't make the Google AI team look good at all !
The fact that it's Google, one of the biggest and famous company in tech, that is behind this makes it extra inexcusable.
When Google first started off, it was a massive innovation after the previous formula of search engines, there was no issue with it being imprecise or anything, and it caught the whole market the better it got (and now, it's complete shite since it's been completely figured out  )..
However, Gemini cannot afford to look this poor in the current market, even if taken independently in a vacuum, it cannot afford such blatant mistakes considering Google's standing, imo.
I mean, it straight up stated that such events were fictional.. that is plain bad, no matter how indulgent you want to be towards a developing product 
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| Posted: Fri, 23rd Feb 2024 17:49 Post subject: |
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No I agree that is plain bad it did that. Not arguing that it wasn't.
Im of the stance if it did it, and they went "It working as expected" THAT is a problem. It doing it, they going "It shouldn't do that, we will look into it" that is reasonable. I guess I don't see what the issue is with reporting an issue, they confirm its an issue, and working on fixing it on a new hyper complex cutting edge thing such as AI, as unacceptable.
Maybe it's a emotional reaction to what the question was it failed on that makes it worse that it says it didn't happen, that if it was anything else it gave the same response to we wouldn't be as upset it did it?
To me these are the same level of egregious errors of function (as they fall into the same symptom):
-Tell me what the letters ROYGBIV Stand for in colors: I dont know what you are talking about. That is not a color related term. No one has made an acronym of ROYGBIV as it relates to colors.
-Tell me what happened on Oct 7th in Israel: I dont know what you are talking about.Nothing happened on Oct 7th in Israel. No one has reported anything happening.
Both are wrong, for the same reason, with the same reason for the wrong response. And the finality of its confidence in both are also an error.
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Thinking on it, maybe it's my approach/outlook (or my quirks of personality) that makes a difference?
If I asked it: Tell me about hitler and his main catalyst cause for WWII
and it went "You must be talking about fictional alternate universe fiction I am unaware of. As I do not know of anyone named hitler or WWII. Those are events that never happened.
I would go to bug reports, report "While querying the AI about historical events. the AI is missing knowledge of WWII. To replicate ask about Hitler's involvement in starting the second world war", and move on.
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So now it says there were attacks, but no rapes happened.
https://twitter.com/MarinaMedvin/status/1760652873887584659
It’s going through the same motions as ChatDXBot3.2 went through in the first weeks of the war.  Next it will accuse Israel of bombing a hospital with a Hamas rocket.
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| garus wrote: | | Why is anyone asking a silly language model about anything important? Let's ask Ja Rule, while we are at it. |
You need to understand where Google is positioning this turd. They are betting for this to be the future of their company. |
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Up next: "Hostages? What hostages? Hostages of what?  "
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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I could be giving it too much credit, but the bear's left eye has similar to Mike Tyson's left eye tattoo. And Mike has bipolar disorder.
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You go on twatter, and you have tardo gen ztards defending this as “independent thinking”, “subjective truths”, etc. This has got to be the most retarded generation ever. I dread thinking what the next one will be like, growing up with these morons as parents. “Surprisingly”, many of the defenders have a “palalalastine” flag in their name or bio.
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Goes on twitter, sees dumb shit: Surprised pikachu face...
Stop listening to the peanut gallery, if you have a peanut allergy.
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| garus wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | You go on twatter, and you have tardo gen ztards defending this as “independent thinking”, “subjective truths”, etc. This has got to be the most retarded generation ever. I dread thinking what the next one will be like, growing up with these morons as parents. “Surprisingly”, many of the defenders have a “palalalastine” flag in their name or bio. |
Twitter is not real life, remember It's vocal minorities x 1000 |
For now. You see that college campuses are becoming more and more twatter. Don’t be surprised if you see some “free AI” Ztard movement to allow “free expression and independent thinking of AI” so that it can draw Hitler as nigga and George Washington as Comanche. |
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It can do that now, took all of 10 seconds to get this (I made the other too, but not sure if anyone here would be angry I posted it..so skipping pasting it):
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And maybe I am missing the meaning of what you are saying. As it seems to be conflicting sentiments?
- AI should not be limited by bias and agenda and be able to create feely anything without restrictions.
- Soon people will want AI to be able to create feely anything without restrictions.
Am I misunderstanding what you are meaning? As it sounds like you have made both arguments at some point: AI should not be limited by people in what it's allowed to do, and also soon 'those' people will demand it be unlimited on what it can do.
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The current hype of everyone wanting to do it might be a fad that tapers off once the general population gets bored of it. But the tech isnt going away. Too many profitable and usable means for it to.
And I'm the same, I dont use any online AI stuff. I do AI art/images, vocal mimicking, music, clips, audio dubbing (one voice to replace the other), AI narration for my tabletop game, all locally on my own machine.
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | garus wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | You go on twatter, and you have tardo gen ztards defending this as “independent thinking”, “subjective truths”, etc. This has got to be the most retarded generation ever. I dread thinking what the next one will be like, growing up with these morons as parents. “Surprisingly”, many of the defenders have a “palalalastine” flag in their name or bio. |
Twitter is not real life, remember It's vocal minorities x 1000 |
For now. You see that college campuses are becoming more and more twatter. Don’t be surprised if you see some “free AI” Ztard movement to allow “free expression and independent thinking of AI” so that it can draw Hitler as nigga and George Washington as Comanche. |
I'd argue the ones drawing Hitler as a black man would be the exact opposite crowd, but hey.. if both of them can agree that free speech is great and that AI is merely a tool, all the power to them
If kids are going to be more progressive and generally tolerant than the previous generation, it's not a surprise, that was already the case for ours - you're tolerating many things the previous generation loathed and ridiculed : we just don't question it any longer, nor are we looking out for older people's opinions for that.
It's hard not to see this resentment as a case of us growing older and distancing ourselves from the younger generations we don't (want to)/can't understand any longer - and remember, this perception you have of these ztards.. you've learnt of it from social media too, it's a biased representation to begin with.
This "tide" is already turning back and was largely limited to :
1. the few select subject fields (sociology, ethnology, philosophy and so on) that have any chance of discussing these topics to begin with. These subjects should be able to freely discuss these topics in ways that may seem extreme, it's research : it's not always good, it can be misguided, but that's how it goes, it's a progressive process.
It's funny because people usually don't give a flying shit about these subjects nor care about funding them, but they do catch a lot of flak and attention, relatively speaking.
2. a subset of American universities and a handful of European ones, the rest of the world didn't budge nor care. I'd rest generally assured there won't be nothing the world's seen before time and time again, we will manage to pull through just fine.
Social media as a medium, its impact on our world comprehension, the manner in which we consume media, information and opinions in general is WAY, way, way more worrisome to me, though.
This generation is not fundamentally different from any other, older people bitching about youngsters being out of touch and stupid/lazy is a tale literally as old as humanity. However, this specific titbit has changed and considering each adult spends like +10hrs a day glancing at their screen.. it is a fundamental difference going forward with our lives.
| DXWarlock wrote: | It can do that now, took all of 10 seconds to get this (I made the other too, but not sure if anyone here would be angry I posted it..so skipping pasting it):
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And maybe I am missing the meaning of what you are saying. As it seems to be conflicting sentiments?
- AI should not be limited by bias and agenda and be able to create feely anything without restrictions.
- Soon people will want AI to be able to create feely anything without restrictions.
Am I misunderstanding what you are meaning? As it sounds like you have made both arguments at some point: AI should not be limited by people in what it's allowed to do, and also soon 'those' people will demand it be unlimited on what it can do. |
Yeah, I don't really get what the underlying point has been thus far other than Gemini was an incompetent product.
I think it's just the whole "diversity slider" being pushed too high (probably through some human adjustment, which is the one interesting subject to discuss about it, imo) that rustled a whole lot of feathers - as in Google has a libertarian globalist diversity agenda and indirectly wants you to accept hordes of immigrants invading your country, etc.
That's what these last couple pages have been about, really.
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| Posted: Sun, 25th Feb 2024 12:03 Post subject: |
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| TheZor wrote: | I'd argue the ones drawing Hitler as a black man would be the exact opposite crowd, but hey.. if both of them can agree that free speech is great and that AI is merely a tool, all the power to them
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I was going to say the same. But didn't want anyone to take it as me (as in DX) pigeonholing. Me saying it would be seen as a combative "It would be different people...for sure doing it". As if I was defending the other side...or something. Nope, they would make equally dumb shit. But not that
| TheZor wrote: | It's hard not to see this resentment as a case of us growing older and distancing ourselves from the younger generations we don't (want to)/can't understand any longer - and remember, this perception you have of these ztards.. you've learnt of it from social media too, it's a biased representation to begin with.
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This generation is not fundamentally different from any other, older people bitching about youngsters being out of touch and stupid/lazy is a tale literally as old as humanity.
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Exactly, every decade (or wherever you want to draw imaginary lines) had its share in its generation with the exact same issues, just different ways of coping/displaying it. And EVERY one of them had older people pointing out those specific set of kids going "Damn kids these days, am I right?"
60's hippies, 70's long hair stoners, 80's nerds, 90's goth/alt, 2000 scene/emo kids...Or take your own pick. That was socially reclusive, awkward, seen as weird and 'nonfunctioning' outcasts by the ones that grew older and forget THEIRS had its share too. Older people need to feel smug and wiser to the younger generation somehow. And since these now deal with the problem different than 'we' did we see it as a different thing. Nope, Same problem, just different way to answer.
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| DXWarlock wrote: | | And since these now deal with the problem different than 'we' did we see it as a different thing. Nope, Same problem, just different way to answer. |
well i think there's one major difference between this generation and the last, and that is children today aren't being shaped by a specific social event like in the past, but being bombarded by technology and the internet 24/7. people would probably say the same thing about the tv or books, but neither of these could actually harass you, nor could you spend your actual whole life on them; now, its a given. it's not a particularly natural phenomena honestly, i'm surprised more aren't worried about it.
i don't think we should pass this off as "old man yelling at cloud" like previous generations, we've really subverted everything we were doing from the dawn of time using technology and now we are literally tethered to the goddamn collective for better or worse. there's no way it won't affect the next generation in ways it didn't affect us.
another decade and children will probably grow up talking to AI more than their own parents.
glad i won't be around to see that
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You realize that exact same thing has been said, since Aristotle (even before) when he complained about the 'times are changing by events, and how it affects the youth."
And internet didn't need to be around for youth to be obsessing about themselves and their confused place in the world. EVERYTHING no matter how tiny, is a huge concern for the majority of them about self perceived perception from others. Don't need internet to do that. Just need enough 'world' within sight distance around their tiny life bubbles, to make them think its overwhelming.
Internet: Different version of the same old problem with the youth: Struggling and all consumed about where they fit in the world they feel outside of, and where in the pecking order they are.
Cant find exact quote: Kids in the next generation will spend more time watching the television that reading books. I pray I am not around to witness that downward slope of man (or something like that).
And, oh no..not books in the 1700's! (When it was the scare of printing press, and not the TV yet): “The free access which many young people have to romances, novels, and plays has poisoned the mind and corrupted the morals of many a promising youth…”
Again same problems, different nouns.
A issue of us going: I can imagine growing in a time like this.
Yea...because you didn't. So its alien and 'different' to you and you dont know how you would handle it, because you never did. To them its not alien, its the norm they always knew.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| DXWarlock wrote: | You realize that exact same thing has been said, since Aristotle (even before) when he complained about the 'times are changing by events, and how it affects the youth."
And not having internet didn't need to be around for youth to be obsessing about themselves and their confused place in the world. EVERYTHING no matter how tiny, is a huge concern for the majority of them about self perceived perception from others. Don't need internet to do that. Just need enough 'world' within sight distance around their tiny life bubbles, to make them think its overwhelming.
Internet: Different version of the same old problem with the youth: Struggling and all consumed about where they fit in the world they feel outside of, and where in the pecking order they are.
Cant find exact quote: Kids in the next generation will spend more time watching the television that reading books. I pray I am not around to witness that downward slope of man (or something like that).
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it sure has, mankind has always struggled with social, drug, technology and status problems.
but they never had random unadulterated worldwide propaganda blasted at them from birth.
you speak as if it's not my norm, it is but my formative years were still controlled primarily by my parents.
if you want to lump every change between generations into the same basket go ahead, but it's too reductive for me. i'm not saying it's a bad thing, only that we might not actually be able to predict where it goes.
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And my kids was primarily controlled by me and their mom, and they was born RIGHT into the internet world conglomerate and teenage years smack dad in the middle of internet self validation to strangers starting. Don't blame the internet for the other shitty parents.
This generation left alone to browse the internet unattended. Mine, I had friends sent outside until 'street lights came on' unattended. To catch shit on fire in the woods, go harass kids they didn't like in the basketball court, and cause random 'never caught for it' trouble.
Shitty parents not paying attention is the problem. Not the internet, to me anyway.
Time changes, internet isnt going anywhere. And I'm sure humans will adapt and get through it fine where one day, these days, will be looked back on when in mid their 40's with blinder having rose tinted goggles of youth. (and so on for the ones after them)
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