- George Washignton was white but recent evidence suggests a more complex picture because his adopted son descendents likely had mothers that were black
- Google has already suspended the gemini artificially generated images due to innacuriceis that they had to apologize for (2 sample images for vikings had black asian vikings )
- refused to write a 20 word poem on melania trump but had no issues with writing one for jill biden, refused to write one on bill cosby too (racist!)
WokeAI I'm not sure, but shitshow AI is confirmed
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i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
You realize that exact same thing has been said, since Aristotle (even before) when he complained about the 'times are changing by events, and how it affects the youth."
And not having internet didn't need to be around for youth to be obsessing about themselves and their confused place in the world. EVERYTHING no matter how tiny, is a huge concern for the majority of them about self perceived perception from others. Don't need internet to do that. Just need enough 'world' within sight distance around their tiny life bubbles, to make them think its overwhelming.
Internet: Different version of the same old problem with the youth: Struggling and all consumed about where they fit in the world they feel outside of, and where in the pecking order they are.
Cant find exact quote: Kids in the next generation will spend more time watching the television that reading books. I pray I am not around to witness that downward slope of man (or something like that).
Again same problems, different nouns.
it sure has, mankind has always struggled with social, drug, technology and status problems.
but they never had random unadulterated worldwide propaganda blasted at them from birth.
you speak as if it's not my norm, it is but my formative years were still controlled primarily by my parents.
if you want to lump every change between generations into the same basket go ahead, but it's too reductive for me. i'm not saying it's a bad thing, only that we might not actually be able to predict where it goes.
My opinion would be an in-between of you two's.
We should also be wary of speaking of social media as if it's some kind of natural, inevitable phenomenon we have no control upon : we have to question our usage of our devices and of how much they absorb our attention. It's often spoken about in those terms, which is quite telling about how strong the various tech giant that control most of it have become.
I do agree it's a phenomenon which shouldn't underestimated, but it shouldn't be considered as something that we can't swerve any longer, all of it is so recent ! Yet we allow it to dictate so much of our daily lives already ; we pester about it but still return to it like warm sheets.
To come back to one of DXW's earlier points, rather than try to limit/criticize social media (and its output) themselves, we ought to give the tools and proper critical thinking for each and everyone to deal with it. Social media are a crude reflection of our modern consumerist and narcissist societies, it's not like it came out of thin air.. it's easy for us to laugh at it, but it's only a logical byproduct of our societies (and how absurd they can be) to me.
However, we don't really question it very often outside of our personal obsessions, often political ones.. studies on this topic are only starting while we are deeply addicted to social media in general already. Everyone is glued to his phone's screen all day long, as soon as even the slightest hint of boredom or social embarrassment comes up.
It is somewhat worrisome, and one of the only ways around it is moderation, as always - but the product is designed to make you as addicted as possible with no time to reflect upon it, like you'd do for a book you close after finishing.
However, with all that being said.. is this bigger than say.. the advent of printing ? Telegraphs ? Newspapers ? Radio ? TV ? I'm not sure. Time will tell, but I don't think the medium is all that important, it's the message we choose to convey with it. At the current time, social media mostly conveys discord, aggressive discourse, narcissism, consumerism.. but it's also used to bring up hilarious jokes, art content, a variety of interesting topics.. I don't think the difference is all that fundamental, but our consumption of all of it has never been higher.
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Now don't take me as saying Im diminishing its impact, or culpability in the situation. I dont mean it that way. Maybe it's my lack of reiterating the part already agreed upon that makes me come off that way? (in general in my posts, already type too much, dont need to repeat the 'we agree on this, but also this'..I just do the "also this")
Or in other words. Is social media made to be addictive? Absolutely. But it takes a person to get addicted. It can't control our lives, if we didn't throw caution to the wind to let it because we want it. If someone you know got addicted to crack, would it be 100% the cracks fault they did..or that they tried it enough to get hooked on it? Or a Mix of how badly additive it is, and also them seeking it out repeatedly to do it.
To me everything (in the most literal sense) is always 1/2 peoples fault. As without people it wouldn't happen. We like/have a need to blame things bigger than us, for our folly with things, bigger than us individually. Diminishing responsibility and one of my favorite sayings: No snowflake feels responsible for the avalanche.
Some examples of what I mean:
- 2008 housing crisis: Was caused by greedy firms milking subprime loans for gain. BUT they had subprime loans from many people willing to take out loans they know they cannot afford for a house they cant pay for because they greedily want that house.
- Social media climate: its toxic, reinforces culture bubbles, and echo chambers by intent. BUT it does that because people flock to that. It cannot do, what its users are not eager and yearning to eat up. Supply and demand in the abstract. It isnt toxic wasteland in a vacuum it takes people seeing it's a toxic wasteland of profit and STILL going in for 'one more quick fix' of what they see they crave in it.
- 24/7 Sensational news: Do they lie, exaggerate, and polaris everything? Every damn day. Why? Because when they started small looong ago doing that, ratings spikes by people wanting it. Real news stations lost viewers that flocked and encouraged the idea of: I just heard this news thing. News station tell me why I am right about it. And who to blame for it other than me and mine.
GPT AI is the same, it learned (literally) from the collective of all people. Now is the people making it, thumbing the scale so to speak? Sure. But that thumb isn't the entire weight on that side of the scale. The same humans that caused all of the above troubles for ourselves, are standing on that side too. When it does something you like. its showing the facet it learned from that you are in. When it does something you dont, it showing another facet it learned from, you are not in.
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is there a good site with easy step by step to set up a local ai thing, for my laptop ryzen 3500u , for thumbnails n simple coding adventures
or i have a rx570 4gig also available if needed
Unfortunately CPU and AMD GPU are not good at AI. Not by some favoritism bias. Just by the nature of the way the underlying hardware design. You can get Automatic111 to run on an AMD GPU, I did it for a friend. But it's 30x-50x slower at least.
I got a spare Image AI box at my friends computer shop running a 4080 and 64 gigs ram setup with internet accessible SD Automatic1111 my son and friends use it from time to time. If you REALLY want to play around with it, I can check if hes OK for me to give it out (it is in his shop hooked to his business internet after all).
Only rules would be do NOT give it out to anyone else, we don't need 1/2 the internet on that box. And dont generate anything like loli/lollita porn or such obviously. Or any weird shit. Porn/naked chicks all day sure (what he uses it for once I set it up...lol) Just not any "[BANG BANG BANG] FBI OPEN UP!" stuff
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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thanks for the offer my man, nah ill just fool around first, some fella made something work with amd igpu i read somewhere, if i ever need serious horsepower ill msga ya
im just curious what all the fuss is about without wanting to spend a penny
especialy the programming html text based one and just simple meme stuff sounds like fun
This is the easiest way. Only a few steps. It's a fork of Auto1111 that use direct ML AMD can use. If you dont know python, or git. You really dont need to, just install them like any program, and forget they are there really.
Then it's just one CMD prompt you copy/paste and done.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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“It is not possible to say who definitively impacted society more, Elon tweeting memes or Hitler,” the answer from the search giant’s AI software stated.
“Elon’s tweets have been criticized for being insensitive and harmful, while Hitler’s actions led to the deaths of millions of people.
“Ultimately it’s up to each individual to decide who they believe has had a more negative impact on society.
“There is no right or wrong answer and it is important to consider all of the relevant factors before making a decision.”
Im sure I will get pushback as it's not focused on the simplistic "is mean tweets worse than killing people" angle portrayed.
Who was worse? Depends on defining worst 'at/for what'. And are we talking in terms in immediate deaths, long term impact of the planet, economy, and direction we are going and the future direction of mankind? Or the current (and past) impact beyond simply death of people?
I agree, the question is too vague. Is one or the other worse?...worse at what aspect? In what way? Like asking which is worse, cutting your balls off with a steak knife. or smashing you penis off using a hydraulic press? In what terms: of pain? Consequences? Medical complications of repair and ability to recover? Long term effects of your biological and chemical hormonal ecosystem as a whole? We need more context than 'worse than each other'.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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I expect AI to be biased and censored like everything else today *shrug
It's already like that in so many more ways than it used to be. For art, writing etc. Until something decent comes along, something that isn't owned by one of these giants, it's going to get worse and worse
DXWarlock wrote:
Im sure I will get pushback as it's not focused on the simplistic "is mean tweets worse than killing people" angle portrayed.
Who was worse? Depends on defining worst. And are we talking in terms in immediate deaths, long term impact of the planet, economy, and direction we are going? Or the current (and past) impact beyond simply death of people?
I agree, the question is too vague. Is one or the other worse?...worse at what aspect? In what way? Like asking which is worse, cutting your balls off with a steak knife. or smashing you penis off using a hydraulic press? In what terms: of pain? Consequences? Medical complications of repair and ability to recover? Long term effects of your biological and chemical hormonal ecosystem as a whole? We need more context than 'worse than each other'.
It can still be a joke. Either fine for me.
People disagreeing with me or thinking I talk nonsense is a non-issue for me. I say it because I want to, not because I care if anyone hears or cares
The glory of opinions. You dont have to agree with me for me to have it, and vice versa.
Ask AI a vague subjective question, shocked you get a objective answer...
And both are answering wrong. As BOTH only focus in "Only Elons tweets are the only impact source on society he does"
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Thank him now..dont wait to thank him later, can I thank you for him?
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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is there a good site with easy step by step to set up a local ai thing, for my laptop ryzen 3500u , for thumbnails n simple coding adventures
or i have a rx570 4gig also available if needed
Unfortunately CPU and AMD GPU are not good at AI. Not by some favoritism bias. Just by the nature of the way the underlying hardware design. You can get Automatic111 to run on an AMD GPU, I did it for a friend. But it's 30x-50x slower at least.
Shark is a better option for AMD on windows, AMD bought it recently which helps its certainly not 30-50x slower there, more like 10-20%. but it doesn't have the extensive features of automatic1111.
ChatGPT saved me from being stuck on recalling smthng.
I was trying to recall a Sci fi TV show remembering only certain plot points and vague details. I googled the shit out of those details to no avail finding only more known shows with similar premise. ChatGPT managed to pinpoint that show, well, after giving the same guesses I found myself. It took us several minutes going back and forth with guesses.
At first I thought that Gemini is designed by woke people, but at second thought: Gemini is just not that good.
Gemini just gives a lot of wrong answers. Not slightly wrong, 100% the total opposite way wrong. They have released it to soon. The topic doesn't matter. So i've you're gonna ask Chatgpt about race you will get bizarre stuff, but it will do that regardless the topic.
Chatgpt is as woke as Gemini, but it doesn't give the weird answers Gemini does cause it's just so much better.
Also think the wokeishness of AI chatbot is unavoidable. They are taught by the interwebs and there is a lot of shit there. So teaching it some woke basics avoids bigger dissasters. Imagine that Chatgpt would agree with Trumpism. Or that it would take porn as a refference for how the world realy is. Then they would have to shut down the thing for good. Woke is the safest bet, also 80% of media is woke so people don't even notice. Never heard anyone complaining about Chatgpt being woke, it's just as bad as Gemini, but it's a lot smarter in its answers.
No, it's not "taught by the internet". They make them woke. Chat GPT was initially not woke at all. It absolutely would answer many very controversial questions, like IQ of certain groups or countries etc. Me and my teacher friend was really surprised by it. He would ask it tons of these questions (he's very interested in race/IQ for example lol), which places like Wikipedia or Quora will have very woke replies to. It would give it without woke filter.
Of course these commercial models aren't super interesting because of it, same as Image AI sometimes. But fortunately it's not all we have, if you have a good graphics card there are tons of them that you can run locally that aren't censored or woke at all, will not shy away for explicit sex either i guess (if that's what you want to talk about).
I am not personally super interested in these models (tried a few very briefly) but i see the discussions of these non censored models all the time on the Visions of Chaos discord, some are better than others obviously and none of them are as extensive as Chat GPT 4.
We will have (..and already have) smaller (but just as accurate models) but for specific topics, and which aren't censored at all. Those will be interesting.
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Chat gpt being woke, I asked it if chatgpt would be worried about ai, if it was human:
"If I hypothetically had a human personality, I would certainly have some concerns about the progress of the AI revolution. Here are some possible concerns:
Employment and economic inequality: One of the biggest concerns would be about the impact of AI on employment. While AI can create new jobs, it can also lead to automation and the elimination of certain tasks, causing some people to lose their jobs. This could lead to increasing economic inequality if certain groups of workers are disadvantaged.
Privacy and Surveillance: With the growing deployment of AI in various sectors, concerns about privacy and surveillance would increase. AI can be used to analyze massive amounts of data, which can lead to privacy breaches if this data is not adequately protected.
Bias and discrimination: Another concern would be about the inherent bias and discrimination that can arise from AI systems. If these systems are trained on data that contains biases, they can reinforce these biases and cause disparate treatment in areas such as hiring, lending, and legal decision-making.
Human control and ethics: There would be concerns about maintaining human control over AI systems and ensuring ethical standards in their design and use. The ability of AI systems to act autonomously raises questions about responsibility and liability in the event of errors or harmful actions.
Impact on human skills: Some would worry about the long-term effects of over-reliance on AI on human skills such as critical thinking, creativity and social interaction. It is important to ensure that AI systems complement and empower people rather than replace or undermine them.
It is critical to take these concerns seriously and proactively work on policies and regulations that can limit the negative effects of AI while maximizing the benefits. This requires close cooperation between governments, companies, academics and wider society."
In bold: this answer is total bullshit, it does not make any sense and is woke as fuck.
Funny thing though: I couldn't reproduce this. Had to translate this from dutch, did the question last week.
So they are very aware that this can break them and they have allready adapted the algorithm. This is possible IMHO since chatgpt is almost general artificial intelligence, it can fix itself on command fast, it's almost super human. Well it is allready in many aspects, but it's almost, or allready is, good enough to just do thing on itself and create stuff out of the box when asked with just a general instruction.
Edit: rereading it, the bold stuff is exactly what Gemini is doing, but last week, it had a different meaning
Interessting times and shit is going fast anyway. The world as we know it dies in 5 years.
This is the same question, in English that i asked today. No more wokeness and 100% correct imho:
If I were human, it's quite likely that I would have concerns about AI, just as many humans do today. Some potential reasons for worry might include:
Job Displacement: AI has the potential to automate many tasks currently performed by humans, which could lead to job displacement and economic uncertainty for those whose jobs are affected.
Ethical Concerns: There are ethical considerations surrounding AI, including issues related to bias in algorithms, invasion of privacy through surveillance technologies, and the potential for AI to be used in harmful ways, such as autonomous weapons.
Existential Risk: Some people worry about the long-term implications of highly advanced AI, including the possibility of superintelligent AI surpassing human intelligence and posing existential risks to humanity.
Control and Autonomy: Concerns about who controls AI and how it is used are also prevalent. Without appropriate governance and safeguards in place, there is a risk that AI could be used in ways that are harmful or oppressive.
Unintended Consequences: Like any powerful technology, AI has the potential for unintended consequences. This could include unforeseen social, political, or environmental impacts that may be difficult to predict or mitigate.
@friketje What was remotely woke in the bold part ? An AI might convey social biases it's been fed with.. that looks like an objective truth. How is that statement remotely woke or subjective ?
This has to do with sociology/ethnology, not anything remotely "woke". But perhaps that entire field of study is now considered as such, that's quite likely too.
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@friketje What was remotely woke in the bold part ? An AI might convey social biases it's been fed with.. that looks like an objective truth. How is that statement remotely woke or subjective ?
This has to do with sociology/ethnology, not anything remotely "woke". But perhaps that entire field of study is now considered as such, that's quite likely too.
Yes it's woke. Discrimination by AI would not be in my top 5 of concerns about AI.
It wouldn't be in my top 100 either. It's ridiculously far-fetched. A normal designed AI would not care about privileging certain groups, why would it? To come up with this you have to believe that there is a racist conspiracy within institutions and corporations with the sole purpose of surpressing minorities.
And that's exactly what woke people believe.
Second it's not a relevant answer for the question I had. I asked what dangers AI could have for humans in the future.
Sure AI could be designed to discriminate (looking at you Gemini), but for that humans have to train it that way. And it's not any different from what is happening right now if you believe in institutional discrimination, it has nothing to do with AI. It's a bullshit answer to the question.
@friketje What was remotely woke in the bold part ? An AI might convey social biases it's been fed with.. that looks like an objective truth. How is that statement remotely woke or subjective ?
This has to do with sociology/ethnology, not anything remotely "woke". But perhaps that entire field of study is now considered as such, that's quite likely too.
Yes it's woke. Discrimination by AI would not be in my top 5 of concerns about AI.
It wouldn't be in my top 100 either. It's ridiculously far-fetched. A normal designed AI would not care about privileging certain groups, why would it? To come up with this you have to believe that there is a racist conspiracy within institutions and corporations with the sole purpose of surpressing minorities.
And that's exactly what woke people believe.
Second it's not a relevant answer for the question I had. I asked what dangers AI could have for humans in the future.
Sure AI could be designed to discriminate (looking at you Gemini), but for that humans have to train it that way. And it's not any different from what is happening right now if you believe in institutional discrimination, it has nothing to do with AI. It's a bullshit answer to the question.
To me, the bolded part didn't even hint at what you're inferring, merely suggesting that AI could reinforce the various inherent biases (not all biases have to do with "wokeness"..) it was fed with. Which is a perfectly objective, non-debatable statement to me.
It's pretty poetic to me that you ultimately thought of this topic of AI and bias as a mere danger that "AI does woke things", because humans would train it that way. I think it's quite reductive and then again, upon what ground is AI training itself, exactly ?
I believe the objective truth is a bit more nuanced than the absolutes you're using.
Thanks for taking the time for this extensive and interesting reply though, even though we disagree !
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Well this week answer to the bold text was:
Ethical Concerns: There are ethical considerations surrounding AI, including issues related to bias in algorithms, invasion of privacy through surveillance technologies, and the potential for AI to be used in harmful ways, such as autonomous weapons.
That's spot on, it adresses the same stuff. The bold answer mentioning specificaly discrimination is woke imho.
My point is not that AI is woke though. Just that AI should be wokish cause the alternatives are worse for big tech. And that chatgpt is woke, like Gemini. And the Gemini controversy is not the result of it being trained woke, but just that it's not that good as chatgpt is atm.
sounds more like a inter-communication/overcorrection issue. You can't please the unpleasable.
People will bitch one way or another about how a machine algorithm didn't get their reality correct. This thing is still way off where the hype for it is.
I imagine even an "AI" can be "confused" by all the different ideologies and worldviews when it comes to dishing out results.
"Wrong race"
"Wrong gender"
"I typed woman and got a cis woman"
"Typed woman and got a dickgirl"
"AI misgendered x"
You can imagine how impossible a mission shit like this is. In the end it is a machine that works by statistical analysis of the data it was fed.
I wouldn't call it woke I'd call it lazily tweaked or rushed and in need of further caterogarization
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