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tbh i dont care about the controversy. all the games ubi shits out are crap.
Time for them to go bankrupt imo. Which ubisoft game did you really enjoy fom their releases in the past years.
All assscreeds and far cries are low effort copy pastas.
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garus
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| Posted: Thu, 16th May 2024 11:06 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 16th May 2024 13:39 Post subject: |
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I know nothing about Nioh, but let's see if we can spot the difference between the two protagonists:
William Adams:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_(pilot)
| Quote: | | William Adams, better known in Japan as Miura Anjin ('the pilot of Miura'), was an English navigator who, in 1600, became the first Englishman to reach Japan. He did so on a trading ship called Liefde under the leadership of Jacob Quaeckernaeck; it was the only vessel reaching Japan from a five-ship expedition launched by a company of Rotterdam merchants. Among the few survivors of the expedition who reached Japan, for more than a decade, the authorities did not allow Adams and his second mate Jan Joosten to leave the country. |
| Quote: | | Although eventually given permission to return home to England, he ultimately decided to stay in Japan. He became highly involved in Japan's red seal trade, chartering and serving as captain of four expeditions to Southeast Asia. He died in Japan at age 55. He has been recognized as one of the most influential foreigners in Japan during this period |
| Quote: | | In Hirado, Adams refused to stay in English quarters, residing instead with a local Japanese magistrate. The English noted that he wore Japanese dress and spoke Japanese fluently. |
| Quote: | | Late in 1604, Tokugawa decreed that Adams would stay in Japan permanently, and in 1605 Tokugawa further granted Adams the status of samurai. |
| Quote: | Advisor to Tokugawa Ieyasu: He became a key advisor to Tokugawa Ieyasu, the shogun of Japan, providing valuable insights on shipbuilding, navigation, and foreign relations.
Samurai Status: Adams was granted the rare honor of samurai status, given the Japanese name Miura Anjin, and received a fief in Hemi (present-day Yokosuka).
Shipbuilding in Japan: He helped build Western-style ships in Japan, which contributed to the modernization of Japanese shipbuilding techniques.
Diplomatic Contributions: Adams played a crucial role in establishing Japan's trade relations with the Netherlands and England, bridging East and West. |
One achieved dozens of great feats, the other was a decoration 
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| Posted: Thu, 16th May 2024 16:28 Post subject: |
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You're reaching a little here.
A "decoration".. ? Nah. If you want to belittle Yasuke properly, call him a glorified squire, that'd be closer to being accurate. He's a pretty remarkable and unique character, but apparently he needs more history cred to make the cut. 
I don't recall seeing you all bitch about how far removed from reality previous titles in the series have been so far though, other than mocking the whole present timeline stuff
I don't mind calling Ubisoft's virtue signaling out since it's fairly obvious, but that's definitely not the approach I'd have taken with it.
Virtually nobody cared if Nioh's protagonist was white, and that's just the gist of it.
I'd argue the reasons for that are 1. The devs are Japanese and get the "pass" to do whatever they want with "their" setting, 2. Nioh remains a pretty niche series compared to the giant that is AC, 3. It's Ubisoft developing it and 4. A white character for a largely Asian/Western audience will pass.
Either way, I don't think Adams wielded demon magic and the such, so his likelihood in the game is about as imaginary as this Yosuke will be.
It's like there's no middle ground between we wuz kings and "I can't stand this inclusion that's actually got some roots in history because it has to be virtue signaling".
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| Posted: Thu, 16th May 2024 16:30 Post subject: |
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500 games in a row with either females or black people as the protagonist and people are gonna start getting tired of it. Whatever reason you think won't mean shit as we all have our opinions on the matter. You love it but try to hide it which is fairly obvious since you keep arguing about nothing for no reason, but that's also fine.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th May 2024 16:36 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 16th May 2024 16:58 Post subject: |
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Okay, so the point for you is rather how these characters are portrayed, not their inclusion to begin with (...).
Some of the "West" generally pushes for a fairer, more realistic representation of women, yet it's also the continent from which stems the wildest pornos, where sexual freedom is a thing, and where a lot of things are over sexualised (be it for men or women). Ideally speaking, I'd want both ideals to coexist, they're not antinomic to me.
I don't mind Stellar Blade whatsoever and I despise anyone who wants to "censor" it, but then that has to work both ways, imo. If you wish for people not to give a shit about an obviously fetishized character.. I wouldn't give one either for an obviously fanciful one.
If I were a game dev, I'd pragmatically just not use historical characters in such a setting, this shit is just wood for social media fire
I recall seeing you discuss how toxic expectations that men are burdened with are portrayed and conveyed by the media.. that goes both ways 
If you expect risky/over-the-top sexy stuff from Western devs, it won't be coming from AAA companies ("our" industry has become mainstream for a while), it'll be from indie publishers and the such for the same reason payment processors like Visa or MasterCard constantly give shit to porn companies : puritanism. However, I completely agree that this puritanism now comes from certain fringes of the "left", which I despise (imo, we all do in here).
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| Posted: Thu, 16th May 2024 17:21 Post subject: |
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Realistic is just what these cretins say. But what they say doesn't matter. The women they use are quite far below average.
Please stick to the topic or i'm out.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th May 2024 18:39 Post subject: |
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oh LOOK it is one of THOSE threads now
#classichump
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| Posted: Thu, 16th May 2024 19:00 Post subject: |
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| pho08 wrote: | oh LOOK it is one of THOSE threads now
#classichump |
When its one of those games you get one of those threads
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| Posted: Thu, 16th May 2024 23:10 Post subject: |
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| pho08 wrote: | oh LOOK it is one of THOSE threads now
#classichump |
Always the same names, same arguments, tiring, really. Thankfully not seeing anymore of it bar name
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| Posted: Thu, 16th May 2024 23:59 Post subject: |
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| TheZor wrote: | | You're reaching a little here. |
Reaching would be propping up someone as a great warrior where they would otherwise, at best, be a footnote in history. And why shouldn't it be based on historical cred? If we're including being born a certain way as to why someone stands out in history, the bar's pretty fucking low. It literally could not get any lower.
| Quote: | | Luís Fróis's Annual Report on Japan states that Nobunaga also longed to see a black man, and summoned him, and Fr. Organtino took him to him and that Nobunaga, seeing a black man for the first time, refused to believe that his skin colour was natural and not applied later, and made him remove his clothes from the belt upwards. Valignano describes how Nobunaga, thinking that he might have ink on his body, made him take off his clothes and wash his body, but the more he washed and scrubbed, the darker his skin became. |
| Quote: | | A black man was taken on as a vassal by Nobunaga-sama and received a stipend. His name was decided to be Yasuke. He was also given a short sword and a house. He was sometimes made to carry Nobunaga-sama's tools |
| Quote: | | The black man understood a little Japanese, and Nobunaga never tired of talking with him. And because he was strong and could do a few tricks, Nobunaga took great pleasure in protecting him and had him roam around the city of Kyoto with an attendant. |
| Quote: | | The vassal asked Akechi what should be done with the black man, and he said, 'A black slave is an animal (bestial) and knows nothing, nor is he Japanese, so do not kill him |
Which part of that doesn't make him sound like some sort of lower class being or a portable party trick, to you? Eg: a decoration. Basically what Ubisoft is doing with him now. You guys want to quote wikipedia and other characters as points of contention, but suddenly they're not worth discussing when someone bothers to analyze them.
| TheZor wrote: | | Virtually nobody cared if Nioh's protagonist was white, and that's just the gist of it. |
Virtually nobody played Nioh or knew much about it. From the 45 minutes I did play on my Deck, you were a white man in England
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2024 00:43 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 17th May 2024 13:55 Post subject: |
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| 0M3G4 wrote: | | Soooo... is it gonna be always online? |
So at least not always online.. then I'll probably give it a go eventually, but for full price no way.
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garus
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| Posted: Mon, 20th May 2024 10:27 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 20th May 2024 11:48 Post subject: |
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Think it looks ok-ish. Like... serviceable.
But we all know that in any recent Ubi game, NOT the graphics are the problem.
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| Posted: Mon, 20th May 2024 16:29 Post subject: |
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I wonder how bloated this one is gonna be. Valhalla was hard to get through. It felt twice as long as it should have been.
"I think Call of Duty resonates because it's believable and relatable," Sledgehammer Games cofounder Michael Condrey says.
Believable and relatable...Yep, sounds like Call of Duty
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| Posted: Mon, 20th May 2024 17:59 Post subject: |
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You guys haven't lost interest the moment you heard it's always online? You deserve what you get.
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dsergei
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| Posted: Mon, 20th May 2024 18:00 Post subject: |
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@FireMaster Didn't they retract this?
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| Posted: Mon, 20th May 2024 18:03 Post subject: |
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| garus wrote: | | This could be any triple A game these days. They all somehow have the same bland realistic "art' direction. |
too many "10/10!" AAA games looks like mobile games and at least it doesn't look like that.
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| Posted: Mon, 20th May 2024 18:49 Post subject: |
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| dsergei wrote: | | @FireMaster Didn't they retract this? |
Guess they did
https://x.com/assassinscreed/status/1791095143799414951
Still, it's a maaaybe isodemo if it ever gets cracled in a year or two. Only suckers pay for the dozens of ultimate special legendary somewhat special a little special $80 but you're still a peasant editions
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| Posted: Mon, 20th May 2024 18:50 Post subject: |
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Good, now we need a screenshot of the immersion breaking current day/future/non-simulation setting that these retards keep pushing throughout the series 
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| Posted: Mon, 20th May 2024 22:17 Post subject: |
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Most Ubisoft games look rather appealing in screenshots, then you start playing them and ..
 
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garus
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| Posted: Mon, 20th May 2024 22:52 Post subject: |
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