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What the fuck guys ?
All those comments about the first episode being tough prepared me for something really awful and hard to bear !
Spoiler:
While it was tense indeed, the guy escaped and we started off with Dahmer's demise, I could very easily imagine worse stuff !
Wouldn't say though, but kept a good tension going. Now I'm curious to hear your opinion regarding the rest of the eps.
They got me good ! It got quite heavy indeed.
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It can be easily argued such recent crime events deserve a very high degree of faithfulness and to "fill the holes" as little as possible, the families members are still alive.. I mean, it's just voyeurism at core.. yet artistic freedom and whatnot, I'm conflicted about it. Most people tend to romanticize criminals/their crimes to some extent, or at least they inspire a very morbid curiosity (the coined phrase points out how frequent that sentiment is). I'm no fan of True Crime stuff at all, it's often low quality and just pretty obscene, yet I can still find myself reading a full Wikipedia article.
When depicting actual events, you just have to assume most people will take your word for it, it's inevitable. As such, I have a hard time with actually adding stuff, and I feel most people share the feeling - removing/condensing details is rather fine to me, even though a very long series like this should easily allow for it, but it's way more sensational/emotional than factual/objective.
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I'm the same to some extent for True Crime stuff. Most is a dumpster dive for me. While most of it is podcast level spilling the tea type juicy gossip level narration of it, some of it can actually be educational and enjoyable.
Well for me and my tastes I mean, I like my non-fiction stories as dry and factually clinical as possible. My dad use to say when I was a teen that he thinks I could enjoy reading VCR manuals for an evening if they was longer.
And same I think for the details. Leaving out details of mundane or pedantic and not entertaining I am ok with. It's when you change the entire narrative by lots of little changes at the expense of the true story, for the sake of entertainment I have a problem with. I think its because someone is arbitrarily deciding for me, what they think is worth making up, or just being wrong on for what they think would be more entertaining to watch. I say if I wanted to watch a made up story about a murder, there is plenty of options for that person to just make another hacker fiction film, stop trying to turn a real story into a 'juicy shallow trope filled one'.
The whole sandwich scene is what made me go "welp, Im outta here". Fake tension of "ohhh spooky human sandwich, given by a brooding evil smiling villain..now lets pause as they stare at each other over the made up story tension of: nudge nudge look at him smirking we know its human meat!". When that never even remotely happened. HE DID give food to neighbors, and who knows what it was..but it was never like this Mexican standoff of intimidation and nervousness of 'what if I tell him no'.
I HATE the idea put forth by that fake premise: It must clearly be human meat, since he was a killer and thats all he thinks about every waking moment is being vile to everyone. You know...like a fake over the top villainy does.
It plays into the misplaced shallow cartoony villain trope that for example: all rapist do nothing 24/7 but think about rape, and child molesters spend every waking moment wanting to bang kids, or that murders do nothing besides live a life of wanting to torture or murder everyone they interact with.
It paints a picture of the cartoony Hannibal Lector type which is rarely ever true: My whole existence is consuming every waking moment with being the paper thin thing that everyone defines me as.
He did it over the course of more than a decade...Way more compelling is the concept of they have a (subjectively) normal life outside of it in the world, with a dark compulsion side is WAY more complex than "Deviants must deviate 24/7".
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I didn't mind the deaf boy episode even if it was almost completely made up. It was one of best episodes.
But the next episode has derailed the show from "Dahmer the Cannibal Monster" into "Glenda the Ignored Black Hero". And I understand at the time this Dahmer case really made the black US community angry. But the stupid fucks at Netflix are doing it all wrong or/and intentional to wind up people. They make this fictional character with a real name and then every white person is racist towards her. Every white cop is nearly aggressive and doesn't see or hear her. Also the cringe conversation with her superior at her job who was talking how Glenda's speeches were "bad for out conservative investors and the company's profits" then asked "Was he really eating people?" with some kind of an excitement and admiration on her face like that white woman was just on the fence of killing and eating black people as well. Yes, outstanding equality!
That's why I get a feeling the last 3 episodes are going to be just black nazi propaganda The same 1930's nazi trash propaganda but now Whites are the Jews. Won't surprise me if Netflix create a Jud Süß remake.
Yeah, some idiots are being idiots to nobody's surprise, but here's a gigantic megaphone for you to hear them. Yay social media
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What the fuck guys ?
All those comments about the first episode being tough prepared me for something really awful and hard to bear !
Spoiler:
While it was tense indeed, the guy escaped and we started off with Dahmer's demise, I could very easily imagine worse stuff !
Wouldn't say though, but kept a good tension going. Now I'm curious to hear your opinion regarding the rest of the eps.
They got me good ! It got quite heavy indeed.
--
It can be easily argued such recent crime events deserve a very high degree of faithfulness and to "fill the holes" as little as possible, the families members are still alive.. I mean, it's just voyeurism at core.. yet artistic freedom and whatnot, I'm conflicted about it. Most people tend to romanticize criminals/their crimes to some extent, or at least they inspire a very morbid curiosity (the coined phrase points out how frequent that sentiment is). I'm no fan of True Crime stuff at all, it's often low quality and just pretty obscene, yet I can still find myself reading a full Wikipedia article.
When depicting actual events, you just have to assume most people will take your word for it, it's inevitable. As such, I have a hard time with actually adding stuff, and I feel most people share the feeling - removing/condensing details is rather fine to me, even though a very long series like this should easily allow for it, but it's way more sensational/emotional than factual/objective.
IMO the worst one was the one with the "fake" neighbour.
But IMO what muddled all the other eps for me quite a bit was them not using other actors for dad and jeffy jeff on some of teh early years stuff; as stupid as this is going to sound, using the same actors made it look less "real" to me.
PredOborG wrote:
I didn't mind the deaf boy episode even if it was almost completely made up. It was one of best episodes.
But the next episode has derailed the show from "Dahmer the Cannibal Monster" into "Glenda the Ignored Black Hero". And I understand at the time this Dahmer case really made the black US community angry. But the stupid fucks at Netflix are doing it all wrong or/and intentional to wind up people. They make this fictional character with a real name and then every white person is racist towards her. Every white cop is nearly aggressive and doesn't see or hear her. Also the cringe conversation with her superior at her job who was talking how Glenda's speeches were "bad for out conservative investors and the company's profits" then asked "Was he really eating people?" with some kind of an excitement and admiration on her face like that white woman was just on the fence of killing and eating black people as well. Yes, outstanding equality!
Agreed.
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
Wouldn't say though, but kept a good tension going. Now I'm curious to hear your opinion regarding the rest of the eps.
They got me good ! It got quite heavy indeed.
--
It can be easily argued such recent crime events deserve a very high degree of faithfulness and to "fill the holes" as little as possible, the families members are still alive.. I mean, it's just voyeurism at core.. yet artistic freedom and whatnot, I'm conflicted about it. Most people tend to romanticize criminals/their crimes to some extent, or at least they inspire a very morbid curiosity (the coined phrase points out how frequent that sentiment is). I'm no fan of True Crime stuff at all, it's often low quality and just pretty obscene, yet I can still find myself reading a full Wikipedia article.
When depicting actual events, you just have to assume most people will take your word for it, it's inevitable. As such, I have a hard time with actually adding stuff, and I feel most people share the feeling - removing/condensing details is rather fine to me, even though a very long series like this should easily allow for it, but it's way more sensational/emotional than factual/objective.
IMO the worst one was the one with the "fake" neighbour.
But IMO what muddled all the other eps for me quite a bit was them not using other actors for dad and jeffy jeff on some of teh early years stuff; as stupid as this is going to sound, using the same actors made it look less "real" to me.
Now that was stupid and confusing as hell, good thing I was warned beforehand, my high brain wouldn't have been able to compute such sheer idiocy and would have lagged for minutes and minutes trying to figure it out Who ever thought it was a good idea to have the same actors for his teenage years ?
When you write "fake neighbor", you mean the missing Pamela Bass, or the fusion of the former and Glenda Cleveland into a single character ? Or that Pamela Bass wasn't his "side" neighbour (no idea on how to call that ) but rather was living in front of his door ?
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Don't forget dad and granny, it was almost as bad. Still, having someone as talented as richard jenkins for the dad helped a bit in those scenes, not enough though.
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
Don't forget dad and granny, it was almost as bad. Still, having someone as talented as richard jenkins for the dad helped a bit in those scenes, not enough though.
Agreed, it wasn't great Dad didn't bother me as much at first too due to Jenkins' performance indeed, the difference was so stark in his general demeanour between the earliest, hopeful years and the "this is just getting worse by the minute" latter years.
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Netflix Expands Ryan Murphy’s ‘Monster’ Franchise With Two More Installments Following ‘Dahmer’ Success.
The two upcoming seasons of “Monster” will not focus on Jeffrey Dahmer, to be clear, but rather “tell the stories of other monstrous figures who have impacted society.”
The two upcoming seasons of “Monster” will not focus on Jeffrey Dahmer, to be clear, but rather “tell the mostly made up stories of other monstrous figures who have impacted society.”
Fixed it for them.
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Netflix has announced “Monsters: The Lyle and Erik Menendez Story,” the second instalment of Ryan Murphy and Ian Brennan’s anthology series about “monstrous figures who have impacted society”.
The story will focus on Lyle and Erik Menendez, the brothers convicted of murdering their parents, Jose and Kitty, at their Beverly Hills home in 1989.
The brothers were tried twice for the murder of their parents. The first was a deadlock, the second resulted in life sentence (without parole) convictions for both brothers on charges of first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder.
The brothers have said in court they suffered lifelong abuse from their parents and shot them out of fear for their lives. The streamer says they have “exclusive access” to the brothers for a forthcoming documentary.
The case itself was a media sensation in the early 1990s and the likes of Fox, CBS and Lifetime have all done TV movies about them. The one-off “Law & Order: True Crime” was also focused on the case.
The series will follow on from last year’s “Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story” which starred Evan Peters as the serial killer along with Niecy Nash as his neighbor.
That series was a runaway success for the streamer – becoming Netflix’s third most popular English-language series ever of its first 28 days of release. Due to that success, Netflix ordered two more instalments and turned the series into an anthology.
Sons of Anarchy alum Charlie Hunnam will star as infamous serial killer Ed Gein in Season 3 of the Netflix true-crime anthology, Murphy announced Monday at an event for Monster’s upcoming second season. (Our sister site Variety first reported the news.)
Ed Gein confessed to killing two women in the 1950s and was accused of digging up corpses and making keepsakes out of human body parts, with his crimes serving as the inspiration for Hollywood horror movies like Psycho and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
good season but nowhere near as good as dahmer one, that one was pure horror where this one has its moments too but its more about the scandal...felt like an american crime story season. great acting especially from the lyle brother and bardem.
cant wait for the next one about ed gein sounds more in like with the first season
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It got quite heavy indeed. 
