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 Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2006 22:57 Post subject: |
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| jonels wrote: | The hotswap one is fake (it was a joke) , also I have my doubts on the specialist one, does anyone else think the video lead is not plugged into the 360, it's well on the wonk if it is. I wonder if the one round the back is like that too.
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Will you fuckin stop always saying its all fake and face the fact that it might be true
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2006 23:02 Post subject: |
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| Kommando wrote: | | jonels wrote: | The hotswap one is fake (it was a joke) , also I have my doubts on the specialist one, does anyone else think the video lead is not plugged into the 360, it's well on the wonk if it is. I wonder if the one round the back is like that too.
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Will you fuckin stop always saying its all fake and face the fact that it might be true |
The hotswap is a proven fake. With this new dvd firmware hack I said I had my doubts ...look I said it just there exactly where you quoted me ..look ...please let me doubt it..please
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2006 23:02 Post subject: |
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i have no reason to doubt its authenticity and neither does any other reputable xbox tech news site.
But what i think will happen now is MS will do a hardware revision so we'll see this eliminated in the xbox360 v1.1 there's no way this early in the game MS will let it go and concede defeat. And jonels like i said mate you had the bad sector thing figured wrong you dont need a per game hack
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azzman
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2006 23:05 Post subject: |
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:::sigh:::
OK everybody, just calm down.
This is simply a hack to change the firmware of the DVD drive. When queried for the disc type, it returns XBOX360-ROM type instead of DVD Recordable.
Possible? Absolutely.
Do I have my doubts he pulled it off? Absolutely. Time will tell; if he did, the hack (or a similar one) will soon leak out from another source in a short time.
A couple of reality checks here:
1) This sort of hack will allow you to play backups of games. XEX files cannot be altered (see below)
2) Region codes are NOT effected. XEX files cannot be altered, and they contain the region code in their header.
3) Homebrew is still not possible.
4) Many data files CAN be altered; they are not signed (See below), though they may be checked in the future by Live (to prevent somebody from, say, using semi-transparent walls in an FPS)
"Below" - XEX files have a header that contains a media code and region code (among other things). Also in this header is a special signature, which is very large... everything EXCEPT that signature is processed by a "Private Key" that only Microsoft knows, and the signature is created... the region code and media code are a part of this. The Xbox 360 then scans the same code and partial header using a "Public key" embedded in the Xbox360 BIOS, and if they don't match, it will NOT execute the XEX file. If the media flags do not allow operation form the media it is being run from, it will NOT execute the XEX file. If the region code does not match the Xbox 360's region code, it will NOT execute the XEX file.
What the "hack" has done is spoof the media code. Using the fiemware, a backup, untouched, it will appear as if the XEX file is executing from an X360-ROM, which is what the media flag says it's allowed to do.
Homebrew code is unsigned, so it's ruled out until somebody figures out how to beat the hypervisor and hack the BIOS to allow "unsigned" code (basically eliminate the signature check). Because games do not come with the Hard Drive media flag set, you cannot copy backups onto the hard drive and make them run, either. To change the media flag, you must re-sign the application, and we still do not have the Private key.
In short, I expect the hack to become available by independent sources soon, because the bootleg market in Asia (and Russia) is very big... This would open up a fresh market and allow bootleggers to sell "silvers" at probably twice the usual profit margin and still maintain a brisk business - if the hack is valid.
Why do I still take this news with a grain of salt? Because in the days leading up to the unlocking of the Xbox, we saw a great many hoaxes. It's not hard to do, really, just a matter of strategic cable placement, and a duplicate console (and operator) hidden away. As the hack will inevitably be available, it makes little sense to "take the high road" and not release the hack - releasing the hack might encourage pirates, true, but it also encourages others to start getting serious about hacking the Xbox 360 itself.
The fact that he pulled the same stunt with the Xbox only increases my doubt - as there were plenty of mod and mod-free hacks available to pirate on the original Xbox, there was no need at all to "take the high road" and not release it.
That's my 2 cents worth on this whole affair. If anybody knows who I am here, then you know I do know what I'm talking about.
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azzman
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2006 23:35 Post subject: |
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I just don't understand why someone who's put alot of effort in to this hack (So it seem's from the security details he posted) Won't release it? The same goes for his Xbox DVD FW Hack.
Also, I would have expected one of the major xbox modchip manufacturers (Team Executer for example) to be the first with this kind of hack, since they have the money, expertise and advanced equipment to pull off such a hack. Instead of a small group of people that seem to be skilled with DVD firmware hacking.
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Gizzie
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Mar 2006 23:58 Post subject: |
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What song is used in the video?
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CraweN
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 00:05 Post subject: |
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| MTW wrote: | | What song is used in the video? |
Prodigy - Smack My Bitch Up
Hardware: Ryzen 3700x, B450 MSI Gaming Pro carbon AC, GTX1080, 32 GB 3200 Mhz cas 14, 256 EVO SSD, 1 TB EVO SSD and 4 TB HDD.
Console: xbox, wii and xbox 360
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 00:08 Post subject: |
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I just cant see it working to be honest.
dust.
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CraweN
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 00:14 Post subject: |
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| Oddmaker wrote: | | I just cant see it working to be honest. |
It isn't the perfect solution, if thats what you mean. Neither for running homebrewed apps or games to running back ups. But its a start.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 02:29 Post subject: |
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mag2005
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 03:59 Post subject: |
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| DeMoN064 wrote: | | I just don't understand why someone who's put alot of effort in to this hack (So it seem's from the security details he posted) Won't release it? The same goes for his Xbox DVD FW Hack. |
It's just for the proof of concept that Xbox 360 can be hack. Releasing firmware could only jeapardize them. Microsoft will find them and they'll be in all sort of crap. Beside, the firmware will only work with one type of DVD drive since newer 360 have different drives.
If you hate it, ignore it.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 04:21 Post subject: |
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| mag2005 wrote: | | DeMoN064 wrote: | | I just don't understand why someone who's put alot of effort in to this hack (So it seem's from the security details he posted) Won't release it? The same goes for his Xbox DVD FW Hack. |
It's just for the proof of concept that Xbox 360 can be hack. Releasing firmware could only jeapardize them. Microsoft will find them and they'll be in all sort of crap. Beside, the firmware will only work with one type of DVD drive since newer 360 have different drives. |
Nope.
BIOS hacks for the Xbox haven't brought down the wrath of Microsoft, even though the most popular BIOS is released by a commercial concern. The reality is that, like the Playstation (Original), hacks and mods have not had a major impact on the ultimate goal, market pentration, nor on the bottom line, profits. To be sure, there is lost profit, but I know of nobody with a hacked Xbox that doesn't have at least 10 or 11 store bought games... in fact, I'd hazard a guess that hacked Xboxes account for a larger-than-average games-per-unit number then non-hacked - those people tend to be "more into" their Xboxes, simply because they CAN hack them. XBMC is probably the major influence, with Linux pullingup distantly behind it.
Remember, the Playstation was blown wide open a decade ago, but developers still find it quite profitable to still create software for it. Homebrew? Non existant on that platform.
As for the newer DVD drive, releasing the firmware can only help efforts to crack that firmware, as well. Getting a NIL:< or Gradius involved can certainly help on that.
Releasing the firmware also enables a bit more "access" to the Xbox 360, perhaps giving rise to new techniques to get unsigned code loaded onto the console... havingthe ability to modify data files, for example, allows hackers to test how protected the new console really is from buffer overflows and other potential situations. Who knows? Maybe somebody has used a loadable code module that doesn't require signing.... allowing an easy hack, once the firmware is modified (the original Xbox didn't natively support DLLs, developers had to create their own implimentations that completely bypassed the execution checks normally used for executables)
I can think of a dozen legit reasons, firmly based inthe desire to promote the homebrew crowd, why that firmware should be released.
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Weedo
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 05:08 Post subject: |
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| BenJeremy wrote: |
To be sure, there is lost profit, but I know of nobody with a hacked Xbox that doesn't have at least 10 or 11 store bought games...
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I don't think that's the norm. I have only three original games: One I bought together with the Xbox before it was hacked, another I got as a present before it was hacked and one I bought cheap on eBay because it was too old and I couldn't find it online.
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Remember, the Playstation was blown wide open a decade ago, but developers still find it quite profitable to still create software for it. Homebrew? Non existant on that platform.
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There is homebrew on PSX! For example the very nice NES emulator imbNES.
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mag2005
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 12:16 Post subject: |
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My question is will M$ update the firmware on alla xbx360 machines that are in the making if this hack is legit?
Or will this hack boost sales on 360 consoles? I will defineatelly buy one if a hack or something similar becomes available.
Dont mess with God, he can impregnate your girlfriend/wife without taking his pants off!
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 12:27 Post subject: |
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| Acer wrote: | My question is will M$ update the firmware on alla xbx360 machines that are in the making if this hack is legit?
Or will this hack boost sales on 360 consoles? I will defineatelly buy one if a hack or something similar becomes available. |
Me too...i didnt bought one yet cause the games are way too expensive..and i dont play on Live
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 13:50 Post subject: |
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| Acer wrote: | | My question is will M$ update the firmware on alla xbx360 machines that are in the making if this hack is legit? |
Yeah, I'm sure they would do that.. It will be like the PSP firmware update's. On the other hand they might even need a hardware revision. Who knows..
| Quote: | | Or will this hack boost sales on 360 consoles? I will defineatelly buy one if a hack or something similar becomes available. |
I would think so, I would buy one if a hack like this came out for the 360, I never buy a console that can't be hacked/modded.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 15:30 Post subject: |
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| Weedo wrote: | | BenJeremy wrote: |
To be sure, there is lost profit, but I know of nobody with a hacked Xbox that doesn't have at least 10 or 11 store bought games...
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I don't think that's the norm. I have only three original games: One I bought together with the Xbox before it was hacked, another I got as a present before it was hacked and one I bought cheap on eBay because it was too old and I couldn't find it online.
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Well, it might be my crowd... software engineers. Still, I'd contend that people who can really afford to buy games will probably buy their share, or more even. I'm sure there will always be people who will pirate just for the sake of piracy, but there are also a large number of people who just can't afford the games or apps they pirate (3DS MAX, anybody?) , and wouldn't be likely to buy those programs anyway.
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| BenJeremy wrote: |
Remember, the Playstation was blown wide open a decade ago, but developers still find it quite profitable to still create software for it. Homebrew? Non existant on that platform.
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There is homebrew on PSX! For example the very nice NES emulator imbNES. |
OK... I stand corrected. I forgot about emulators, which seem pervasive across all hacked platforms. Still, PSX modding seemed to be more about playing imports and piracy than homebrew, and it is still a profitable platform to develop for.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 16:57 Post subject: |
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Alot of people see software piracy as the ultimate sin and those who take part in it are monsters that burn in hell. Please note that I'm not condoning software piracy. Discuss these points,
1. How many software developers have actually quoted piracy for the reason for their company failure? Most of the ones I know that have folded have done so because of a poor business model, poor product or greedy creditors.
2. If piracy kills the platform it's most rampant on then why has PC,Ps2,Ps1 and to a lesser extent the xbox been so popular? Is'nt it true that a cracked system sells more units because it is cracked? Doyou think the ps3 will be as popular or succesful as the ps2 if it could'nt be cracked?
3. Piracy killed Dreamcast etc. Actually poor support by sega and software developers actually killed it. While microsoft supports the 360 it will be succesful.
4. It will kill xbox live. I'm sure microsoft has considered this type of hack in the 360's development and has plans to ban anyone on live who has uses it. Cheating on live is so lame...
5. Who prefers owning a back up of a favourite game if could afford to buy and own the original? Not me for one.
6. Is'nt owning arcade roms for your emulators illegal as well? This stuff is still someone's property.
7. Media players, Are they used just to play the mainly illegally gained mp3's,divx's etc?
I'm not condoning piracy and I hope that if have'nt deviated from the point to much, but piracy in the industry is not so black or white.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 21:14 Post subject: |
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What the..?!
Hitachi.LG.DVD.FW.Replacement.XBOX360-REVOLUTiON
Can someone confirm this? , I've heard this from another forum.. Must be fake?
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 21:22 Post subject: |
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demon prolly will be nuked in 5 , 4 , 3 , 2 no its REALL!!! WOWOOWOWOWO
j/k 
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 21:51 Post subject: |
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My friend extracted the sound of it then use some program to filtered the noises and theres nothing about a 2nd 360 starting or a VCR playback noise/sound on the background...thats looks like the real deal
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Mar 2006 22:11 Post subject: |
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Bunnie who originally hacked the xbox1 used MIT lab equipment to hack the v1 was then sued after releasing his information. He had the risk of years in prison and hundreds of thousands in damage claims. He immediately lost the support of MIT officials and his peers and was left alone to face the wrath of MS.
Whoever is the first to release the firmware will be traced and will go down hard. I hope its somebody so far in asia and so out of reach of the law MS cant touch them.
And btw I'd like to see a better video with him actually OPERATING THE GAME with the controller in sight. Eventhough he did seem to turn on the machine (cold boot) what if this hack still requires the insertion of the original before shutting down (stupid but what if).
And anybody wondering why the swap trick, you of course have to add the magnetic cap that is normally on the roof of the drive before the drive spins up or it will just grind against a loose disc and not mount at all.
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