Prices are not as bad as I thought they'd be. I'm eyeing the 5090. I'm just curious if 2x 360 rads will be enough to cool that and CPU or if I have to slap another rad somewhere.
It's bad. 600$ for the budget model
We have to see benchmarks. It's a 25% increase in price, perhaps 50% increase in performance?
Also doubt the 5090 can achieve it's full potential with 32gb vram since the 4070's are struggling with 16 gb vram.
Heat is indeed a serious issue. Personally the main reason for me to avoid high end.
It also increases wear, good chance the thing blows up just out of warranty.
Fans are not the problem indeed. But a 650 watt card is a risk at itself. You’ll probably should replace gpu paste in 2 years. Shitty job, breaking the warranty seal and lots of stuff to break doing it.
At the plus side the gpu is overkill and vram bottlenecked, it’s not realy needed to push it to 100%, doubt it is even designed to do so at a regular basis.
The 5080 seems okish. 24 gigs, half the price of a 5090. Still not a fan of the watts needed. Either that one, amd of just wait another year. Nvidia promissed yearly releases.
My dream gpu would be one using150-200 watts Max with 24 Gb vram. Wouldn’t even mind upgrading just such a card in 2 years, realy a fan of low energy GPU’s. Have a 4060 as placeholder now. Silent and no worries blowing it up at max load.
The 5080 seems okish. 24 gigs, half the price of a 5090. Still not a fan of the watts needed. Either that one, amd of just wait another year. Nvidia promissed yearly releases.
My dream gpu would be one using150-200 watts Max with 24 Gb vram. Wouldn’t even mind upgrading just such a card in 2 years, realy a fan of low energy GPU’s. Have a 4060 as placeholder now. Silent and no worries blowing it up at max load.
5080 is 16gb card, intel is also making Pro version from their B580 that has 24GB VRAM, should be around 200w card.
Is it me or are the new DLSS features kinda useless/boring?
Multi framegen? I barely use the normal one. (Got a 4070)
Watts are terrible imo. This seems like a filler generation to me.
The 5080 seems okish. 24 gigs, half the price of a 5090. Still not a fan of the watts needed. Either that one, amd of just wait another year. Nvidia promissed yearly releases.
My dream gpu would be one using150-200 watts Max with 24 Gb vram. Wouldn’t even mind upgrading just such a card in 2 years, realy a fan of low energy GPU’s. Have a 4060 as placeholder now. Silent and no worries blowing it up at max load.
5080 is 16gb card, intel is also making Pro version from their B580 that has 24GB VRAM, should be around 200w card.
Ah crap, had seen a wrong graph. Sucks. Intel is no option, nobody uses that, you’ll run into compatibility issues.
Perhaps the 5070 then with the intention to upgrade in 2 years .
Or amd. Nvidia is so dominant though, good chance you’ll run into hardware issues. Also remember how bad amd uscaling was in Skyrim.
AMD will be fine for older games.
It will get you in trouble with new releases. 90% of the market is nvidia, so the chance that a game doesn't like your hardware after release. Having GPU's since '99. Always had some issues with AMD. Not much, perhaps 1-2 releases per year. But it sucks when it happens.
And FSR and DLSS: it doesn't compare. Think the 5070 is always preferable compared to any AMD care. If only it had a little bit more VRAM...
Is it me or are the new DLSS features kinda useless/boring?
Multi framegen? I barely use the normal one. (Got a 4070)
Watts are terrible imo. This seems like a filler generation to me.
We can now boost frame rates by up to 8x so that the Unreal Engine Stutter(R) is 2x more noticeable
On a more serious note, I'm guessing the top-shelf nutechnologies Nvidia has been developing aren't quite mature yet and another generation (or two..or three) is required for the full AI textures/objects neural trickeries and magical insta-path-ing to be feasible. Still, with games primarily designed to function on consoles, with visuals that have entered into diminishing returns territory, and with developers being increasingly inept and/or inefficient, I reckon it will take a while to see actual, meaningful advancements.
That's the problem with high end.
So you can buy a 5090 for this year. The first year it's overkill. Perhaps for 8k you'll be happy but who does that and you'll run short in VRAM for some games.
And almost forgot: how many AAA games are released each year that are realy worth your new hardware, 2, 3?
Perhaps in one (Huang is going for yearly releases), but for certain in 2 year's they will release a 6070 that has equal performance.
But that 6070 is doing that with 300 wats and you still have your 650 watt card: loud, noisy and prone to break down early.
Sure you can sell it, but the 6070 is the better card. And they will probably do DLSS 5 and perhaps is nvidia outfitting the 60xx with enough VRAM this time. Resell value for your 5090 sucks.
So you paid 1500 euro's extra's for 1, perhaps 2 year owning a top tier card that you didn't realy need in the first place.
Not everyone buys it for AAA games framerate. Hell I wouldn't get it for AAA at all I rarely play AAA games (my game taste usually falls outside them).
Also the frame rate argument. Why buy a car with 500HP when you can only meet the speed limit? Why buy a $250 keyboard with LED's, they don't do anything at all for typing a $30 amazon one works as good.
I got a Jeep that can offroad, never went once in my life. Why? Because I wanted a jeep, my money and I am happy that I have a jeep No one says "But you never have gone into the bushes and mud. Buy a coralla"..why? Because I don't want a corolla.
And no idea where the 'prone to break down early' argument is from. doesn't matter if hardware pulls 5 watts or 1000 watts. As long as it doesn't overheat the silicon won't break down any sooner than the 5-watt one. A 1500 watt PSU doesn't die sooner than a 400 watt one.
@Frant
thats good for us If the promo hype is true, but Im skeptical.
Seems ever gen of any hardware I can remember (since when CPUs and GPUs had launch shows) they always say X gen is sooo much better than the last, and real world its not overall. Guess it's not a lie, they did see 100% faster, in specific settings, with a specific game, at specific res for one benchmark run..lol
But IF it is, means if I don't have the $1000 for the 5080 (Im a broke MF from my legal stuff recently). I can get a 4090 on the cheap to replace my 4080
Not everyone buys it for AAA games framerate. Hell I wouldn't get it for AAA at all I rarely play AAA games (my game taste usually falls outside them).
Also the frame rate argument. Why buy a car with 500HP when you can only meet the speed limit? Why buy a $250 keyboard with LED's, they don't do anything at all for typing a $30 amazon one works as good.
I got a Jeep that can offroad, never went once in my life. Why? Because I wanted a jeep, my money and I am happy that I have a jeep No one says "But you never have gone into the bushes and mud. Buy a coralla"..why? Because I don't want a corolla.
And no idea where the 'prone to break down early' argument is from. doesn't matter if hardware pulls 5 watts or 1000 watts. As long as it doesn't overheat the silicon won't break down any sooner than the 5-watt one. A 1500 watt PSU doesn't die sooner than a 400 watt one.
Why pay money for something you do not need?
A car: doesn't compare, when you buy a sports car, at least you have fun accelerating after green light and drive a cool card.
Energy issue:
Modern GPU's are pushing it. They are prone to break down. More heat=more wear.
It's obvious. Not a lot to find about it online, this guy speaks about it though.
Also when new games are released, people complain about stability issues: game x forces pc to restart: those are 99% hardware (GPU) related heat issues.
So you are better of buying a mid range GPU and replacing that one early with a next gen midrange card then buying a high end card. You'll end up with a better card in every way and save some money.
Unless you are buying every high end nvidia release anyway off course. But be prepared to do that every year from now on.
Because I want it. Same as I can have chicken and rice for dinner, or a $80 steak. I don't need it, but I want it.
And whos says I don't need it? Do you assume I only use my GPU for games?
Sure if ALL you do is game at less than 4k 240hz. Don't get a 4090/5090/whatever...unless you just want it. Then get what you want with the money you personally earned. Buy a 5090 to play solitaire on if you want. Your money.
friketje wrote:
Also when new games are released, people complain about stability issues: game x forces pc to restart: those are 99% hardware (GPU) related heat issues.
So you are better of buying a mid range GPU and replacing that one early with a next gen midrange card then buying a high end card. You'll end up with a better card in every way and save some money.
Unless you are buying every high end nvidia release anyway off course. But be prepared to do that every year from now on.
Then that's a user error, not a hardware error. If your stuff is overheating or games crashing.. 99% of the time it's user issues.
This isn't speculation, this is just evidence. I've built PC's for 20+ years, and best friend owns a PC shop in Ohio for 18 that specializes in high end hardware builds. VERY rarely are these issues hardware-related unless you have a bad/defective piece of hardware you need to RMA.
And I don't buy every Nvidia high end. I buy whoever is winning high end. If Intels/AMD cards start winning high end for my needs, I will get them Has nothing to do with Nivida directly.
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Is it me or are the new DLSS features kinda useless/boring?
Multi framegen? I barely use the normal one. (Got a 4070)
Watts are terrible imo. This seems like a filler generation to me.
We can now boost frame rates by up to 8x so that the Unreal Engine Stutter(R) is 2x more noticeable
On a more serious note, I'm guessing the top-shelf nutechnologies Nvidia has been developing aren't quite mature yet and another generation (or two..or three) is required for the full AI textures/objects neural trickeries and magical insta-path-ing to be feasible. Still, with games primarily designed to function on consoles, with visuals that have entered into diminishing returns territory, and with developers being increasingly inept and/or inefficient, I reckon it will take a while to see actual, meaningful advancements.
in games as in hardware, patient bear always wins. Never be an early adopter, never prehurrdurr.
Throwing a ridiculous amount of watts at the problem of bad development practices is a solution for those who fart money.
Then that's a user error, not a hardware error. If your stuff is overheating or games crashing.. 99% of the time it's user issues.
This isn't speculation, this is just evidence. I've built PC's for 20+ years, and best friend owns a PC shop in Ohio for 18 that specializes in high end hardware builds. VERY rarely are these issues hardware-related unless you have a bad/defective piece of hardware you need to RMA.
And I don't buy every Nvidia high end. I buy whoever is winning high end. If Intels/AMD cards start winning high end for my needs, I will get them Has nothing to do with Nivida directly.
How is for example diablo 4 killing gpus especially high end at release a user related issue.
Even Review tubers like mortismal got their gpu bricked.
Not to mention the 4090 connector that would go up in flames.
These were known issues caused by the hw.
Not gpu but cpu related recent issues like am5 gpus in new systems getting cooked etc arent a rare.
Anyhow on another topic:
Saw this.
So let me get this straight you can get your personal bot in pubg so the game gets kind of pay to win if you buy a better card?!? Or is that totally unrealted and just a developer feature?
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How is for example diablo 4 killing gpus especially high end at release a user related issue.
Even Review tubers like mortismal got their gpu bricked.
Not to mention the 4090 connector that would go up in flames.
These were known issues caused by the hw.
Overheating problems and faulty design of power plug are not the same thing. And sure between me and Avi we have not made every PC on the planet. But neither of us has seen a game/GPU line have issues with bricking in a game because of the series of cards. It was always a specific defective brand of card (gigabyte/ASUS), and even then it wasn't the game's fault it was a faulty vendor brand of a very specific line they made.
It wasn't because Mortismal had a 3080, it was because of which model and who made that model and his dice roll of a defective one from a batch that had higher defects than normal.
It's not the series, it's the specific model, of a specific manufacturer, of a specific line. And even then those are 1 in 1000 returns/warranty work. The others are user errors if it crashes/overheats/hangs. Of all the repair/warranty/RMA work he does. Never has it been because of some series of cards being 'brick prone' overall. The 'just bad device' RMA's is roughly equal across all brands, for all series (3rd party aside, some ARE shit. I mean of reputable manufactures). None are more prone to it than any other it seems.
Can a line from a specific manufacturer have bad ones in it? Absolutely. Is it rarer than if the issue, in general, is a user/setup/build issue? By far.
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We can now boost frame rates by up to 8x so that the Unreal Engine Stutter(R) is 2x more noticeable
On a more serious note, I'm guessing the top-shelf nutechnologies Nvidia has been developing aren't quite mature yet and another generation (or two..or three) is required for the full AI textures/objects neural trickeries and magical insta-path-ing to be feasible. Still, with games primarily designed to function on consoles, with visuals that have entered into diminishing returns territory, and with developers being increasingly inept and/or inefficient, I reckon it will take a while to see actual, meaningful advancements.
at that point another carrot on a stick will be invented for consumers to grasp at, and we will probably repeat this all over again.
there's no End Game to this racket
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