Not that I particularly like the trend, but it's been said for years that pure raster performance is coming to a limit as to how much it can be increased. So it shouldn't really be a surprise that they are pushing all that AI BS into their graphics cards.
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I disagree (not because it's you storm )
The incentive for better raster is high since the gains are a 'razor margins' type of situation to be the fastest card from any brand.
It's hitting the wall of able to be the one running the staple benchmark games every reviewer uses at 500 FPS that encourages them to try other methods.
I mean if pure raster performance gains was the same result, it would be far cheaper to manufacture more of that, than develop a whole new, less good looking, way to do it.
Doubt.jpg. When AI gets big it can be implemented into everything so larger incentive to focus on that and see where you can cut costs when it's good enough. You see more and more AI features and not for no reason. in 15 years your nvidia card is in the clouds
We're not going to see hugely shrunk nodes which makes it possible to pack a lot more into a small area. That's why GPU dies have gotten insanely big and need extreme cooling and 500+ Watts of power not to mention the prohibitive cost of massive dies. They can improve the designs themselves to become more refined and more effective but it can't alleviate the issue with massive dies.
That's why Nvidia has opted for AI to fake extra frames as an illusion of better performance.
So what’s your guess on percentage performance gains over the 4090.
I’m talking raw performance not DLSS/Framegen as Frame Generation is not compatible with VR.
There’s no 2D titles where I’ve struggled with performance with my 4090, but VR is a different matter.
I’m hoping it’s only 25% gains so I can skip a generation and save some money 😆
25-30% from what I read. Not worth the investment.
But wait! There is this exclusive new feature that generates 4 fake frames instead of just one. Surely that must be worth investing 2500€.
I’m sure if you need it for AI its worth the upgrade. For gaming, probably not so much unless you need every last frame and that is worth the money for you.
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why does a gpu need so much cooling when these new amd max plus blabla 40 gpu cores apus dont need that much extra cooling though ... wtf is going on there ? just superbad scaling after xx watts of power ???
heck get rid of half the cores and give me one with 8 cores and 80-160 of these gfx cores plz ... instabuy for 400 bucks so i dont ever need to ever watch or buy any of this gpu nonsense ever again. all these cards also failing like crazy. where is all the second hand cards going ... there should be tons for sale yet there is barely any , try find a 2000 series , like they never existed
Anything not just GPUs scales badly with wattage. Since wattage is another way to say the words "unit of heat".
Why calculating heat dissipation in any situation, is called "Heat Dissipation In Watts". BTU's if you use them, are directly convertible to watts by converting: 1W = 3.41 BTU/hr
It's not just PC parts that have wattage = more heat. Wattage IS heat, in anything.
A 5 watt LED vs a 50 watt one, needs WAY less cooling. Can even run the 5 watt one without a heatsink.
And it's not linear, 5 watts vs 50 watts IS 10x the heat but need more than 10x the cooling. You need to get rid of the extra heat on top of the initial heat (heat saturation of diminishing returns on cooling is a thing). It's not QUITE inverse square rule, but closer to than that linear.
And the AMD 40 core with an apu is barely a video card. Comparing them since they also can do 3D, is like comparing a honda civic to a Bugatii since they both can drive you places. Both can do highway speeds (and even speed over it), and both can turn corners. But you put them on the track and measure faster lap times..
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heck get rid of half the cores and give me one with 8 cores and 80-160 of these gfx cores plz ... instabuy for 400 bucks
Then you are back where you started needing 300+ watts for it, and a huge heatsink and heater for your room
If they could make a CPU that equals a CPU and a GPU for less heat, money, and performance they would. They would monopolize the market and drive nivida out of business.
I'm very surprised that the 5090 FE is just a two-slot solution. It seems they did some very clever stuff. They no longer use full length PCB's, they use an incredibly compact square PCB placed in the middle of the card surrounded by a clever blow-through cooling solution. I'm slightly surprised at that particular aspect. As for the GPU itself.. meh.
those comparisons are misleading though imo: They should've compared to the SUPER models of the 40 series
That's a lot of money for a minor upgrade. 15-20% may seem "huge" but in reality it's a small increase for the money you'd have to spend. This particular benchmark is quite pointless since it's only using a single game (well, two games but according to this benchmark they see the exact same performance increase which is a little weird).
As with all pre-release benchmarks I'd take them with a huge bucket of salt since there's no telling how much of it is "infected" with marketing money.
On the bright side, the DLSS3 more mature and improved(tm) will bring visual/performance enhancements even for the 40 Series - very much needed to wrestle the Ghost of Vaseline effect that's present in quite a few games. The derpapp (designed to replace the old panel) will also supposedly support DLSS/FG overrides, and so on. *it's something*, I guess.
Looks like just massive software upgrade, all raster performance over 4xxx series also comes from the increased power consumption .... The new nvidia cooler tho seems to be amazing.
It seems that nvidia is artificially again limiting the supply of these high end cards, good luck guys Gonna be scalpers paradise at release day, everything will be sold out in seconds.
Yes, but who'll pay a extra premium for them? My 4090 is certainly not bad enough at this point that i'm willing to spend a million for a 5090. If i can't get it for about 800 dollars or so after selling my 4090 then i'm not interested. upgrading by selling and buying a new is always a good idea as the value will drop like hot shit when 6090 comes.
Yes, but who'll pay a extra premium for them? My 4090 is certainly not bad enough at this point that i'm willing to spend a million for a 5090. If i can't get it for about 800 dollars or so after selling my 4090 then i'm not interested. upgrading by selling and buying a new is always a good idea as the value will drop like hot shit when 6090 comes.
AI is the shit now, 5090s will sell no matter what the price is.
Question is if it will be much better and less visual ghosting and artifacts with 5090 than my 4090. Not that it's a lot, but some games are very noticable.
Question is if it will be much better and less visual ghosting and artifacts with 5090 than my 4090. Not that it's a lot, but some games are very noticable.
No, it wont. You'll get the same DLSS4 upgrades the 5090 users get in terms of quality. The only thing you won't get is the MFG (Mutli-Frame-Gen). You only get FG.
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AI is the shit now, 5090s will sell no matter what the price is.
Yep
Can blame me for being one of the +1's to cause this
I play with way too much local ran AI to not want it. I sold my 7900xtx long ago at a loss after a week to get a 4080 the day it came out because it ran VR better; and mostly, because it could run local AI.
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Gonna be scalpers paradise at release day, everything will be sold out in seconds.
