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OrignalSpaceJockey




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 10:05    Post subject:
mortis4321 wrote:
Just saw this thing. Guy is overreacting a bit, but at least he pulls arguments directly from the bible and what creators said about Henry years ago. I don't know how I feel about it.



Well, its your own choice if you want to go gay in the game so... just dont go gay I guess ??
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mortis4321




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 10:49    Post subject:
OrignalSpaceJockey wrote:

Well, its your own choice if you want to go gay in the game so... just dont go gay I guess ??


I get that part, and wouldn't mind in any other RPG that wouldn't be set up in real world in somehow real historic era. That is what bothers me. There is no way that it would be ok for a Christian guy like Henry to have a gay romance without any negative impact at that time.

And to be clear, I'm far from calling it woke etc. It is clearly an option, like in any other RPGs, but just considering what this game is and its historic setup, messes up with my head. I expected semi realistic immersive sim, set in Bohemian history, and adding options like that breaks that immersion for me.

This is why I said, I don't know how I feel about it, as it is not forced, but also it is completely not needed to be in the game in the first place.

The game itself looks great so most likely will buy it when the price drops.
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tonizito




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 11:06    Post subject:
Dunno, it's a bit weird because in the first game wasn't it established that he was straight or very very chaste? And now all of a sudden he's a gaylord?
But IMO even worse is who he is being gay with, according from the spoilers.


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Il_Padrino




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 11:07    Post subject:
Even Christians can be gay dude, it's not a choice or exists only in 21st century.

I wish they made a realistic ancient Greek game, just so they could portray the bestest friends butt fucking each other all the time.


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tonizito




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 11:11    Post subject:
Il_Padrino wrote:
I wish they made a realistic ancient Greek game, just so they could portray the bestest friends butt fucking each other all the time.
Butt why? Confused


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Neon
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 11:14    Post subject:
I think Adrian Chmielarz (of People Can Fly fame) summed it up best, though personally I don't care at all about the gay option.


https://x.com/adrianchm/status/1887209419668124021


For those without twatter:

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Eight years ago, @WarhorseStudios declared their RPG's hero as a "straight male." In the sequel, he can be gay. What happened, and is it a problem?

Yes, it is a problem – but not because of the homosexual romance option. That part is fine. In general, it's not an issue if an RPG allows you to, well, role-play. Wanna be gay? Be gay. Don't want to be gay? Don't be gay. It's quite simple.

People change, realize their true nature, or go through phases: there are many reasons why straight Henry could be less straight if the player chooses so in the sequel.

Personally, I'm not a fan of out-of-the-blue changes to a hero's sexuality, even if it's optional. Imagine Witcher 4 and Geralt with an option to romance men. On paper, why not – I just explained why this is fine. In reality, it doesn't feel like a direction that flows naturally.

But to each their own, and if @DanielVavra believes the game should open up more paths for Henry, it's his right to do so.

So where's the problem?

The issue lies with whom Henry can become romantically involved –
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That character is no longer simply straight. Logically, he just cannot be. He is now either gay or in a quantum entanglement, both straight and gay simultaneously, depending on player's actions. No matter how you role-play, no matter how straight you want to be in the game, you now know that his identity has fundamentally changed.

In modern culture, we rarely celebrate deep male friendship anymore. Maybe I don't consume enough media, but I feel like such friendships are either portrayed as shallow or, on the other end of the spectrum, as romantic love.

Why didn't the creator choose literally any other character for the player to explore this aspect of sexuality with? I understand that if the player wants to be gay, then giving them the option to pursue
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might seem natural. But this comes at the cost of the story's believability and changes the original's established dynamics.

I am genuinely puzzled. When Ellie became lesbian in The Last of Us universe, it felt like virtue signaling to me, but at least I understood where it came from. Meanwhile, with Henry's situation, I truly don't get it. Knowing Daniel, it was 100% his decision and no one else's – but that changes nothing, I remain confused.

This doesn't change the fact that I'm going to play the hell out of the game and then see if maybe I'm missing something. I don't play big RPGs on release for obvious reasons, but in a few months, I'll happily start my journey. While – based on my current knowledge – I do think the gay romance option should have been handled differently, it's nowhere near a reason to skip what appears to be one of the best games of recent years.


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tonizito




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 11:28    Post subject:
I think you should spoiler that shit Neona Surprised
And I agree with that guy, just feels off at best and some sort of need to humiliate the chuds at worst.


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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 11:47    Post subject:
Changed the wording a bit and spoilered the "important" part Razz
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vurt




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 13:57    Post subject:
Vavra crying about not wanting to be "a part of the culture war" while previously calling out woke games, wearing BASED T-shirt. How are you not part of the culture war if you're doing this.

He's an idiot. If you're gonna include woke / gay themes then at least don't pretend you're ultra-super-conservative-based and super anti-woke. because to people that care about that you'll come off as a a bit of a clown and disingenuous. Just shut up, don't go after gamers etc, it'll absolutely impact sales if you do, there's nothing to gain by it.

Being quiet as a developer is likely one of the best skills you can have these days Razz <insert Vein Popping Guy meme> yes, talk about the game all you want of course, but politics, just don't.
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blackeyedboy




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 17:01    Post subject:
Y'all...



...

Vavra ain't stupid. Look at him! Does he look like he went every Sunday to church... ?!

He also knows how to make money.

Of course - if he could - he would 'insert' some controversy in the marketing recipe, so people would promote / drama about it's game, and create even MORE publicity.

EDIT

And you know what I find 100x times more offensive that this... nonsensical KCD2 drama... ?!

THIS:



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EyePatchLives




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 17:51    Post subject:
I don't understand people's issue with Abraham 'Abby' Anderson. Are they just jealous of his muscles because they're a bunch of gym virgins who never touched a dumbbell in their life and never got to experience, as Arnold put it, cumming in the gym?

I get that he's kind of a lousy golfer but other than that he's a pretty cool character.


"I think Call of Duty resonates because it's believable and relatable," Sledgehammer Games cofounder Michael Condrey says.

Believable and relatable...Yep, sounds like Call of Duty
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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 18:38    Post subject:
Laughing


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lametta




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PostPosted: Fri, 7th Feb 2025 18:42    Post subject:
EyePatchLives wrote:
I don't understand people's issue with Abraham 'Abby' Anderson. Are they just jealous of his muscles because they're a bunch of gym virgins who never touched a dumbbell in their life and never got to experience, as Arnold put it, cumming in the gym?

I get that he's kind of a lousy golfer but other than that he's a pretty cool character.

He?

Why you say? (dunno if you were going the sarcasm route?!)
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W123




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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Feb 2025 07:14    Post subject:
Having a lot of fun with the game but man has it got to be one of the ugliest i've played in a long time. Blurry mess-skybox is comically low res, the bloom is out of control-sometimes i swear it looks worse than TES Oblivion
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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Feb 2025 07:52    Post subject:
Im chilling completely. I bet there will be mods for whatever shortcomings the game has in due time
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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Feb 2025 08:01    Post subject:
W123 wrote:
Having a lot of fun with the game but man has it got to be one of the ugliest i've played in a long time. Blurry mess-skybox is comically low res, the bloom is out of control-sometimes i swear it looks worse than TES Oblivion


Looks pretty good here:



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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Feb 2025 08:28    Post subject:
Looks good everywhere, Oblivion? lel

There's a bloom disabler mod

https://www.nexusmods.com/kingdomcomedeliverance2/mods/105
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W123




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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Feb 2025 08:37    Post subject:
Yeah it’s odd. Sometimes looks fine other times I’m transported to 2006. I’ll try the debloominizer mod

One of the worst is the Vaseline effect after a good rain. And the skybox that i mentioned, can’t have been intended
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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Feb 2025 09:55    Post subject:
I love this game, just as the 1st one.
But what's even better is the state of launch version, this has to be one of the most polsihed games, taking into account it's huge scope naturally.
Apart from few graphical glitches and a small ui issue I've encountered no bugs, plus the godtier optimization is so refreshing to see in 2025.

99.9% GOTY material.
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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Feb 2025 10:12    Post subject:
Only bug I had so far, which fucked things, was that an options dialogue opened, then faded out, and I couldn't make a choice to move on
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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Feb 2025 14:22    Post subject:
Tschoob wrote:
I love this game, just as the 1st one.
But what's even better is the state of launch version, this has to be one of the most polsihed games, taking into account it's huge scope naturally.
Apart from few graphical glitches and a small ui issue I've encountered no bugs, plus the godtier optimization is so refreshing to see in 2025.

99.9% GOTY material.


feelsgood.webp to read such posts.

Finally some good shit happening in the industry.


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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Feb 2025 18:07    Post subject:
Bethesda are probably looking at this game and wondering how much better theirs could be or rather will never be lol.

Related video Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Feb 2025 23:11    Post subject:
Interinactive wrote:
First person medieval game with working carriages on the roads... it finally happened Surprised

blackeyedboy wrote:
Combat is one of the systems that was often hated in the 1st game, but in the second game it's bit simplified / more accessible.


Does it change beyond a QTE mini game between a green + blue icon? I'm 5hrs in now and that's all I seem to do


I can't for the love of God figure out what determines your riposte attack direction.
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2025 00:12    Post subject:
You guys don't masterstrike?


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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2025 03:27    Post subject:
You got to, otherwise it's block attack, enemy blocks yours, block attack, enemy blocks yours. At least its more fun to pull off master strikes than the first.
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2025 17:53    Post subject:
251,983 In-Game



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tonizito




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2025 18:02    Post subject:
blackeyedboy wrote:
251,983 In-Game

Where's schmuck schreier now? Laughing



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W123




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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2025 19:12    Post subject:
https://www.reddit.com/r/kingdomcome/comments/1iic8wz/shimmeringflickering_in_trees_lighting_bug/

Eye cancer-thought everyone had this but apparently doesn't affect everyone. Also that night sky with the moon Laughing Looks like an amateur half life mod from back in the day.

And then other times the game looks pretty good. Heavily depending on time of day and how harsh the lighting is.
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PostPosted: Sun, 9th Feb 2025 20:02    Post subject:
Yeah, that's bothering me as well. Gonna try some of the tips from that Reddit discussion


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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Feb 2025 04:49    Post subject:
There's a special place in hell for developers that constantly strip the player of his hard earned gear in RPGs. I'll give them a pass for ONCE, story and what not, but I'm about halfway through and I've had ALL 3 OF MY OUTFITS (Combat, Charisma, Stealth) stripped from me on no less than 6 separate fucking occasions. Hell, once, I arrived at a castle, re-equipped everything, only to lie down in a bed not 5 minutes later and have Henry the fuck-stick decide to strip off all his clothes and sleep naked (no, he didn't get laid).

It'd be one thing if it was head/torso/legs/shoes - but you've got like LAYERS upon fucking LAYERS of shit. Not to mention 4 goddamn belt and weapon slots. Multiply that times three outfits, and every time it happens its like 15 minutes of needless work. I've lost HOURS to this shit.

So yea, fuck the faggot who decided to make that a thing - hopefully someone mods that the fuck out - or at least introduces a "saved outfit" mod to counter it.


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