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SumZero




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PostPosted: Sat, 8th Mar 2025 15:01    Post subject:
PickupArtist wrote:
not even a trump shitcoin reserve can keep the gains of this pump n dump going Laughing Laughing Laughing

lets goooo downnnnn dooooown with the sickness

Don't worry. One day. oooone day it will. Just keep saying it every day and one day you might be right.
I wake up every day and tell people, "Sun is going to explode. Look up, it's right...now!" And eventually, if I live a realllllly long time, I can say, "Told you! Damn Im good"

Every time you say that I think of this clip:
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PickupArtist




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Mar 2025 20:24    Post subject:
how much is crypto worth in times of war ? thats right ... 0 ... , no internet m no stable power

and wtf can u buy right now now 10 years later with all those tens of thousands of shitcoins sofar on major retailers ? NADA ... its actually pathethic people still think crypto will have purpose when u have 99 percent of scam coins with zero purpose but to scam people
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SumZero




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Mar 2025 21:19    Post subject:
What can you directly buy with it? or with profits?
I see it as a Bank bond. What can I buy with a bank bond? Nothing. No stores take it, no retailers do. I need to convert it back to cash to use it. And it's digital [I have no paper copy] so no internet my bond is useless (or at least unable to be used)

Technically my money in the bank: No internet no stable power. No money. ATM sure won't give it to me, bank inside won't (they need internet, system would be down). So no money. Why when we have hurricanes coming they tell you to take out enough to live. As banks will not be able to access you account for X amount of days probably.

But back on subject: With profits, I've gotten: a $2000 Laguna Cabinet saw, a $1500 4080, a $750 Bosch Compound miter saw, a $2000 Shapoko XL CNC machine, $1000 laser cutter/burner machine, $400 3D printer,
and aslo new tires for my Jeep, 2 12" comp subwoofers and amp for my Jeep, a new roof on our garden shed/building, about a dozen power tools. (and other shit I cannot remember).

How much did all that cost me? Negative $50. I started with $500 in crypto years ago, maybe 10-12 year ago?. Still have $550 left in crypto, and all that stuff above. Once I get back to $1000 worth of crypto again taking out $500 to get a 4TB NVME and a new nzxt kraken (about time to replace it).

Do I trust it enough to put my serious life-saving money into it? Not a bit. But its plenty good enough to turn my little spare money, into more spare money for toys.
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Mar 2025 21:56    Post subject:
no not profits. actual use. all these shitcoins claim to have a function or useage
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 18:23    Post subject:
PickupArtist wrote:
no not profits. actual use. all these shitcoins claim to have a function or useage


And shitcoin lover like me are making bank in launch date.
Swings are wild, profits keep coming in.

Is this retarded? Of course.
Is it profitable? Indeed it is.


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jackbomb




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 18:43    Post subject:
HubU wrote:

Is it profitable? Indeed it is.


How do you manage taxes? I'm afraid to be taxed to hell and back if I start playing ze memecoin gaem.


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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 18:56    Post subject:
Is it possible to evade taxation if you never convert to fiat? Just transfer out of the exchange to a private wallet and then find another way to sell?
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 19:11    Post subject:
jackbomb wrote:
HubU wrote:

Is it profitable? Indeed it is.


How do you manage taxes? I'm afraid to be taxed to hell and back if I start playing ze memecoin gaem.


Aren't you from Chile or outside the EU? Then I have no idea.
Maybe, like in Belgium, you might have a number to ask accountants/the state for information.

I can't advise you more than that, especially since the state here in BEL will take a share of profits, while disregarding any losses (of course they do, cocksuckers Laughing ).

Regarding myself:

Scenario 1: You're an amateur trader

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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 19:14    Post subject:
Shocktrooper wrote:
Is it possible to evade taxation if you never convert to fiat? Just transfer out of the exchange to a private wallet and then find another way to sell?


I guess it depends on where the exchange is actually made. In Europe, the BoL (Bank of Lithuania) provides for pretty lax rules.

Like I said above, better check with your accountant (if you have one) or your local tax authorities (depending on where you live, I guess a simple phone call won't get you put on a list Razz )

For the evasion of tax, well, if you can do the trades through a company you own that's located in a tax haven, you're good to go I guess.
Otherwise I don't know. I'm a good citizen. Pinky promise.


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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 19:20    Post subject:
HubU wrote:
jackbomb wrote:
HubU wrote:

Is it profitable? Indeed it is.


How do you manage taxes? I'm afraid to be taxed to hell and back if I start playing ze memecoin gaem.


Aren't you from Chile or outside the EU? Then I have no idea.
Maybe, like in Belgium, you might have a number to ask accountants/the state for information.

I can't advise you more than that, especially since the state here in BEL will take a share of profits, while disregarding any losses (of course they do, cocksuckers Laughing ).

Regarding myself:

Scenario 1: You're an amateur trader

 Spoiler:
 


You're making "real" money?


For income under €15,200 per year, you pay 25% in income tax.
For income over €46,440 per year, you pay 50% in income tax.


Hope this answers your question Smile


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jackbomb




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 19:36    Post subject:
HubU wrote:
HubU wrote:
jackbomb wrote:


How do you manage taxes? I'm afraid to be taxed to hell and back if I start playing ze memecoin gaem.


Aren't you from Chile or outside the EU? Then I have no idea.
Maybe, like in Belgium, you might have a number to ask accountants/the state for information.

I can't advise you more than that, especially since the state here in BEL will take a share of profits, while disregarding any losses (of course they do, cocksuckers Laughing ).

Regarding myself:

Scenario 1: You're an amateur trader

 Spoiler:
 


You're making "real" money?


For income under €15,200 per year, you pay 25% in income tax.
For income over €46,440 per year, you pay 50% in income tax.


Hope this answers your question Smile


I'm from Spain, and we have crypto taxes for sure. The numbers are around IIRC 21 and 29% depending on the profit. I only got like 400€ of profits (just mining back then) turned to FIAT in 4 years. My accountant doesn't care for this amount (or so he told me Laughing ) so I didn't pay any tax for that. But if you're playing for the sweet sweet memecoins I'd say that can turn into a hellhole for taxes... hence my question. Thanks for explaining HubUbear!


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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 20:46    Post subject:
jackbomb wrote:
Thanks for explaining HubUbear!


I explained just about nothing my sweet paellita Laughing but thanks Smile

I'll ask my accountant once I get my tax papers in the mail (he does my family's accounting for a bottle of bubbles, great guy Very Happy ).

I hope for your sake that the SPA taxman is more forgiving and generous than the BEL one Laughing

But the amount I'm making is still falling under the "gambling" rules I believe these kind of gains follow in a sense, meaning: nobody cares to tax X% of under 10k made year round that much.


If you hear about a madman firebombing the Belgian Finance Ministery, reconsider. It might be me Very Happy


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SumZero




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 21:05    Post subject:
HubU wrote:
Is this retarded? Of course.
Is it profitable? Indeed it is.

I second this.
I don't want or expect it to be a main currency anytime soon. Old people won't understand it. Most young people don't want it or understand it either. Not until the '20 somethings' start using and turn into the older people still using it 'outside of currency, will it ever get traction.

But does it make money? Hell yea. If people want to sell me widgets for $X, and later I can sell them to some other person for $Y at a higher price. I will happily buy and sell the useless widgets.

So, is it useful directly? Not really. But cashing out the profits is Very Happy
Anyone can do it. Its dumb, simple. It swings so much,h buy when it's 3-4% down. (It can move 4-5% a day sometimes up and down to end up where it was)
Wait until it's up a few percent over that and sell. put back in what you made (minus profits) and repeat.
example starting with $100: Spend $100, make $103, buy $100 more next time its dipped 3-4%.

And people might go "Whoo..you made $3 today". Show me any other investment with a 3% return daily...compounding math stacks quick.

Not sure when a dip will keep going, or just a random dip for the day/hour/whatever? Practice. Dont actually buy it, but mark what time you saw it, how much you would have put. and pretend you did, for a week or two a couple times a day. Mark down when you won, and when you lost. And you can learn when to win more than lose.


Democracy Dies in Dumbness.

Sure, but you will quickly find that your extremism makes us unable to agree what a mental patient is. So it is truly no point in doing so. Copy this quote as well, or shall I?
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 22:02    Post subject:
SumZero wrote:
HubU wrote:
Is this retarded? Of course.
Is it profitable? Indeed it is.

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IMHO you're wrong since you overstate the gains VS the potential spiraling losses.

This is, in some twisted way, what investment is to what poker is to gambling.
There is a level of control, but a lot of it still is out of your hand.

By reading the numbers and understand the dynamics, while not being to greedy nor stupid, you just might find your way around.

I wouldn't stop stressing enough that this is a "winner takes all" situation (or in mine: small time analyst takes some), while it might look like a "sit and go".

Different breed of people, different results. And if you're hurting for money and hope for a quick score, this ain't it.


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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 22:09    Post subject:
If you're hoping to make quick bucks because you need them, stay away.

A) You have little money to invest; invest it in defensive stocks
B) You have money that you're willing to lose. I mean close to 100%. Then yeah, do with it what you want

I felt the need to double tap on that. Be smart with your money, especially if you're hurting that way. Don't take risks you can't cope with.


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SumZero




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 22:13    Post subject:
I didn't mean it that way. I meant it as in long term small gains add up. At least that's how I've been doing it.

Find the trade charge the site has (usually a fraction of a percent, about 1% to buy and sell together so you need to at least make 1.5% to not just break even on that buy then sell).
Find a dip that seems outside the saturation bands and Stoch/(you gamble indicators of choice), and if it's a couple of percent, buy. Set my sell for 2-3% over where I bought it and let it sit until it sells, with a second stopgap sell set incase it doesn't at the price I bought it at (I lose like 0.75% but I can get it back eventually).

I do that 1-2 times a day (most days), with $1000, take the $8-10 I made of it and put the $1000 back in. And I get a 1-2 thousand profit every 4-5 months. I don't always hit, but id say its 60/40 or so. a little more hits than misses.
It's not get-rich-quick. But it pays for my woodshop tools and PC upgrade, and any toys I want.


Democracy Dies in Dumbness.

Sure, but you will quickly find that your extremism makes us unable to agree what a mental patient is. So it is truly no point in doing so. Copy this quote as well, or shall I?
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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 22:43    Post subject:
SumZero wrote:
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Then you advocate what I've said. We good Very Happy

Yet, I'm still gonna beat this nail on it's head:
Don't invest cash you actually need, like for rent and shit. Be responsible.


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SumZero




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PostPosted: Mon, 31st Mar 2025 23:14    Post subject:
100%
People should use the same motto for anything risky: Dont bet money you can't afford to lose.


Democracy Dies in Dumbness.

Sure, but you will quickly find that your extremism makes us unable to agree what a mental patient is. So it is truly no point in doing so. Copy this quote as well, or shall I?
-Stormwolf
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