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vurt
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Not using "incel" or as you said "incelforce" as insult? Not sure how that would even work, it's meant to be an insult.
You'll never hear a man call himself an "incel", and you'll never hear a gay person call himself "a faggot" or a woman who sleeps around a lot wouldn't call herself "a whore", because the words are meant as insults or as something demeaning.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 14:31 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | Not using "incel" or as you said "incelforce" as insult? Not sure how that would even work, it's meant to be an insult. |
Same logic that - even in this thread skin colour is brought up. That could be a form of racism. So using the term racist in this context is not an insult, but an observation or finding.
Incel or involuntary celibate "who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, and who may blame, objectify and denigrate women and girls as a result." - Can therefore be used the same way - in this context.
Edit - I might have used misogynistic instead - but knowing the sad fucks here, I choose incel. Seem more precise - not excluding misogynistic of course.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 14:35 Post subject: |
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Wow a shit term made by radical feminists who have no clue how men operates and don't understand their own entitlements. Quite grand to have "self respecting" men use that term
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harry_theone
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 15:07 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | Why because i don't idolize pussy like most guys? |
How would you know what "most guys" like or don´t like? You have no one in your life. I am by no means a psyc major. However it is clear that you crave attention and emotions, ANY emotions - even if it means hateful and anger emotions being triggered.
Being so starved for ANY emotion, you sit online and puke out your hateful shit. It gives no value at all, and it is precisely because you dont have any values in you! Your are so comfort in you hate, that you even here declare "incel" is not really an insult. Geez.
So thanks for the advice about getting "pussy", but no thanks. I neither need or want advice from such a sad existence like you!
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 15:47 Post subject: |
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| Photish wrote: | | vurt wrote: | | Not using "incel" or as you said "incelforce" as insult? Not sure how that would even work, it's meant to be an insult. |
Same logic that - even in this thread skin colour is brought up. That could be a form of racism. So using the term racist in this context is not an insult, but an observation or finding.
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It's very, very different though, if you have proof of racism then you can call a person a racist, easy.
"Incel" would assume you have very deep personal knowledge of this person, that he truly is interested in romantic relationships but is completely unable. It would mean you are this person's closest friend, or maybe family. Otherwise, how can you know? You don't, you use it similarly to someone saying "whore" when someone assumes a woman is laying around a lot. It's just people assuming stuff, which is just degrading and often just insults because the person can't come up with anything good; "she's a whore", "he's an incel". No one takes that seriously, but of course, it's also not something you might prefer to hear either because the person saying it isn't saying it to be nice to you or to explain something (other than that he/she is upset about something).
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 16:03 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | Photish wrote: | | vurt wrote: | | Not using "incel" or as you said "incelforce" as insult? Not sure how that would even work, it's meant to be an insult. |
Same logic that - even in this thread skin colour is brought up. That could be a form of racism. So using the term racist in this context is not an insult, but an observation or finding.
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It's very, very different though, if you have proof of racism then you can call a person a racist, easy.
"Incel" would assume you have very deep personal knowledge of this person, that he truly is interested in romantic relationships but is completely unable. It would mean you are this person's closest friend, or maybe family. Otherwise, how can you know? You don't, you use it similarly to someone saying "whore" when someone assumes a woman is laying around a lot. It's just people assuming stuff, which is just degrading and often just insults because the person can't come up with anything good; "she's a whore", "he's an incel". No one takes that seriously, but of course, it's also not something you might prefer to hear either because the person saying it isn't saying it to be nice to you or to explain something (other than that he/she is upset about something). |
| Stormwolf wrote: | Incel isn't as much of an insult as you think  |
Vurt - Let him bleed out in this one. We are already way of topic.
And also - No, you don´t need deep personal knowledge about a person to come to this conclusion.
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 16:12 Post subject: |
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Well actually you do since it's assumptions and speculations vs having proof of something, which you don't.
I guess "Incel" would be very insulting to a person who struggles with it for real, and perhaps not so much to people who don't...
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 16:13 Post subject: |
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| Photish wrote: | | vurt wrote: | | Photish wrote: |
Same logic that - even in this thread skin colour is brought up. That could be a form of racism. So using the term racist in this context is not an insult, but an observation or finding.
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It's very, very different though, if you have proof of racism then you can call a person a racist, easy.
"Incel" would assume you have very deep personal knowledge of this person, that he truly is interested in romantic relationships but is completely unable. It would mean you are this person's closest friend, or maybe family. Otherwise, how can you know? You don't, you use it similarly to someone saying "whore" when someone assumes a woman is laying around a lot. It's just people assuming stuff, which is just degrading and often just insults because the person can't come up with anything good; "she's a whore", "he's an incel". No one takes that seriously, but of course, it's also not something you might prefer to hear either because the person saying it isn't saying it to be nice to you or to explain something (other than that he/she is upset about something). |
| Stormwolf wrote: | | Incel isn't as much of an insult as you think |
Vurt - Let him bleed out in this one. We are already way of topic.
And also - No, you don´t need deep personal knowledge about a person to come to this conclusion. |
Well, learn to read people and maybe we can talk someone the internet having some opionions you dont like doesnt mean they got no one in their lives, like what the fuck kinda extreme idiotic reasoning is this? i advice you to drop it, i dont care what you think of me. Life continues even after seeing a post you dobt like
And one day you might find yourself with a grownup mind with your body, managing to refrain from posting insults for no reason. That will be a day to look forward to, right?
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 16:49 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | Well actually you do since it's assumptions and speculations vs having proof of something, which you don't. |
Well since you insist.
Lets look at the other example that you gave - Calling someone a whore. Using that insult is really telling about the person who was calling it. Its filled with hate about another persons lifestyle - Witch I might add, only brings joy to other(s). But that is not the point. The insult is sent with hate and/or resentment. Its just mud-trowing from the sender. I says or proves nothing about the receiver.
Incel is - like I quoted - about "who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, and who may blame, objectify and denigrate women and girls as a result.". So having posts after posts about blue-haired girls being woke, or "thank you for not including women" is evidence of this type of behaviour. So being an incel IS being hatefilled - so to speak. Also you might have missed my edit - that I also could have used to term misogynistic. However given the (huge) post evidence of the user, I did not use this term.
| vurt wrote: | | I guess "Incel" would be very insulting to a person who struggles with it for real, and perhaps not so much to people who don't... |
A valid point - But you misunderstand. Incel is only used for people who cultivate and spread hate, because of the lack of intimacy in their lives. People who are lacking intimacy, but to dont spew and vomit this type of hate, are by no means "incels". So it is a good point to bring up. Some might be self-terming it wrongly.
More info here -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel
(Sorry for being so of topic)
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 16:51 Post subject: |
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Aren't you the one cultivating the hate though? Ponder that for a second. No one here called anyone a whore.
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 17:15 Post subject: |
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| Photish wrote: | | vurt wrote: | | Well actually you do since it's assumptions and speculations vs having proof of something, which you don't. |
Well since you insist.
Lets look at the other example that you gave - Calling someone a whore. Using that insult is really telling about the person who was calling it. Its filled with hate about another persons lifestyle - Witch I might add, only brings joy to other(s). But that is not the point. The insult is sent with hate and/or resentment. Its just mud-trowing from the sender. I says or proves nothing about the receiver.
Incel is - like I quoted - about "who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, and who may blame, objectify and denigrate women and girls as a result.". So having posts after posts about blue-haired girls being woke, or "thank you for not including women" is evidence of this type of behaviour. So being an incel IS being hatefilled - so to speak. Also you might have missed my edit - that I also could have used to term misogynistic. However given the (huge) post evidence of the user, I did not use this term.
| vurt wrote: | | I guess "Incel" would be very insulting to a person who struggles with it for real, and perhaps not so much to people who don't... |
A valid point - But you misunderstand.. People who are lacking intimacy, but to dont spew and vomit this type of hate, are by no means "incels". So it is a good point to bring up. Some might be self-terming it wrongly.
More info here -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel
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" Its filled with hate about another persons lifestyle"
Same with "incel", it's meant to insult someone's lifestyle, or make fun of it, same with saying "whore" or "slut", you're criticizing someone's lifestyle, but likely you are doing it without actual proof, unless you are very close to this person.
"Incel is only used for people who cultivate and spread hate, because of the lack of intimacy in their lives"
same could be said for "whore" it's meant to say this woman can't find a (serious) man or husband, that she's a "slut" who other men uses, but they have no interest in her as anything other than sex, it's all she's good for.
Both are critique of someone's lifestyle or persona, but it's also down to speculation and assumptions or more commonly used for people you don't like and you can't find a better word to describe the person you're angry with.
I mean it's the oldest banter between men that exists, it means "i have lots of sex, you don't!" though obviously without proof either way. It's just a more simple word for it, no need to go into details even, just use "incel".
Before "incel" we used "virgin", it's the same thing, a male who can't get sex even though he wants to, the key difference is with "incel" it means he's also angry about it, but it's mainly the same thing.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 17:33 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | " Its filled with hate about another persons lifestyle"
Same with "incel", it's meant to insult someone's lifestyle, or make fun of it, same with saying "whore" or "slut", you're criticizing someone's lifestyle, but likely you are doing it without actual proof, unless you are very close to this person. |
I think I get what you are saying. Would it be better for you, if I called the user misogynistic and racist instead? In this context?
| vurt wrote: | | same could be said for "whore" it's meant to say this woman can't find a (serious) man or husband, that she's a "slut" who other men uses, but they have no interest in her as anything other than sex, it's all she's good for. |
I don´t agree about your extended definition of the word whore or slut for that matter . If you think only men use women and not the other way around. You are wrong - In my (luckily) experience 
You do know that people have sex for fun, right?
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vurt
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 18:09 Post subject: |
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To any modern family, i think you're likely 16-18 somewhere, thus you have no clue of the world yet and much less so when it comes to women or values.
Why do we still have words like whore or slut if it's like you say, there's no difference? Then "whore" or "slut" or "promiscuous" would be a very appreciated thing to hear for a woman, yet it's not. But please go ahead and try. Please wear a jockstrap, just in case...
Why would sexual conquest be seen the same for both sexes? It's not the same, not even close due to how different we are in these roles. That will likely not change.
It absolutely has shifted, but not to any greater degree due MANY various variables (this can go super deep). Again, prove it with a word. For men we have "stud", for women (who sleeps with tons of men) we have (insert positive word)?
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 18:51 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | To any modern family, i think you're likely 16-18 somewhere, thus you have no clue of the world yet and much less so when it comes to women or values. |
Well... There it is. Even after preaching about evidence.
I am sorry. I am not qualified to treat you on this medium. I would suggest you find local help at your proximity. Hateful shit = bad. Hateful words = bad. Lift others up, don´t pull others down with you.
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 19:01 Post subject: |
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maybe start with not calling people incels? i'm not advocating hateful shit at all, in fact i am very against it, as for your age i'm not saying i have evidence for it, it's just curious how little you seem to know, knowledge comes with age and experience.
If men and women truly are the same (sexually etc) then we can continue even further; why don't we have incel women? Because it's not a thing for females, they don't need to be without sex if they don't want to. The sexes are different in their roles, this will not change.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 19:11 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | maybe start with not calling people incels? i'm not advocating hateful shit at all, in fact i am very against it, as for your age i'm not saying i have evidence for it, it's just curious how little you seem to know, knowledge comes with age and experience.
If men and women truly are the same (sexually etc) then we can continue even further; why don't we have incel women? Because it's not a thing for females, they don't need to be without sex if they don't want to. The sexes are different in their roles, this will not change. |
Just stop. For your own sake. Its embarrassing. It was in the link I provided, here is a direct link -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel#Female_incels
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 19:22 Post subject: |
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It's not a thing, a female can easily hook up within minutes via a chat or dating / sex site etc with a male for sex.
For a male (who doesn't want to pay for sex) he'll have a much harder time, and it might prove impossible since he can be up against 100's if not 1000's of other men seeking sex as well.
You've never checked the ratio of female / male on those sites? if just for fun? Again, i think that proves you are pretty young.
The link seems to refer to people who call themselves incels. so e.g maybe a woman who has extremely high standards for a male, but maybe is obese or has very poor looks etc, thus it proves impossible for her to find a mate. I don't think it's being an incel really, and like it says on the site it's debated if females can truly be called incels. she can have sex, but she chooses not to, so it's not truly involuntarily celibacy and i don't think it says they're angry or hateful about it either, so that goes against what incel means too.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 20:22 Post subject: |
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This is such a sad thread.
I can´t help you. However another free tip - Don´t refer to women as females. Females is a specification of gender in species. Women is a gender specification in humans. Please re-read and understand this thoroughly!
Other than that, every word you have written is wrong or misinformed. Please educate yourself and grow. Not this "Do your own research" bullshit. You (and most of us) have proven to not even remotely be able to write whitepapers, do field og lab test, publish and get peer-reviewed.
(Mods can you cut/move this out sometime? This has nothing to do about Interactives post?)
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vurt
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 21:47 Post subject: |
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No. In a scientific context it's correct to use female. Saying something like "that female over there" is weird though and can be seen as disrespectful, it's not how the word should be used. When you refer to a specific person then "woman" is 100% correct, which i am not doing at all, i am not talking about anyone specific.
Saying "every word is wrong" without being able to come up with even 1 counter argument isn't something anyone will take seriously. But whatever. Carry on, this discussion is useless.
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Frant
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 22:56 Post subject: |
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| Photish wrote: | ...
(Mods can you cut/move this out sometime? This has nothing to do about Interactives post?) |
No.
It's the useless void after all. It's your choice if you want to partake in a discussion.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"Thank you to God for making me an Atheist" - Ricky Gervais
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 23:10 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | It's not a thing, a female can easily hook up within minutes via a chat or dating / sex site etc with a male for sex. |
Men can to. The ugly unattractive guy can go out, hit up the ugly unattractive women. And will land a bite eventually.
Technically anyone can get laid if they are willing to accept whatever is on offer.
The ugliest, stupidest, most desperate man alive could get laid, just they won't want what desperate woman is also in 'fuck it, whoever offers first' mode.
So using your logic no one can be an incel, since its all voluntary selection between who they will accept the offer from, vs anyone offering to.
The length of time 'within minutes' vs 'a few days out prowling for the willing' doesn't matter. both CAN get laid.
Both are not involuntary. Both are 'I have limited myself to no options, by my lack of courage to approach, or desire to approach 'those...'.'
Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
Sure, but you will quickly find that your extremism makes us unable to agree what a mental patient is. So it is truly no point in doing so. Copy this quote as well, or shall I?
-Stormwolf
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Apr 2025 23:14 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Photish wrote: | ...
(Mods can you cut/move this out sometime? This has nothing to do about Interactives post?) |
No.
It's the useless void after all. It's your choice if you want to partake in a discussion. |
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