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W123
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Wow $23.99, was not expecting such a low price point. $29.99 without discount.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Aug 2025 10:24 Post subject: |
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Considering how much of the game has yet to be finished, I don't feel like $25 is too far off the mark. Only 4 masteries are in, not sure how much of the campaign but doubt it's much.
This is a spend $25 now, then wait 2 to 3 years till you can play it the way it was meant to be played situation - by then, who knows what else will be out.
In case anyone is wondering (doubt it, but you never know), the game runs fine on high preset at 1080p with FSR 3 switched to Balanced (frame gen on - seems to work well unlike other games) on a GTX 1080 and i9-9900k at stock.
Some poor bastard on Steam posted at thread asking about his GTX 980 and people tore him a new one, saying how he should bin the card and it's worthless etc. I swear, Steam discussion forums are full of brain rotted morons that are just simple console peasants / phone gamers.
The official min specs are bullshit - and merely tweaking a few in game settings to yield a playable experience is a lost art among the plebs it seems. 
I can never be free, because the shackles I wear can't be touched or be seen.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Aug 2025 10:41 Post subject: |
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Don't expect too much from Steam forums.
88,9% is just filled with shite and en-masse idiocracy.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Aug 2025 21:51 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Aug 2025 22:35 Post subject: |
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That guy retarded or what?
END-GAME on a beta/alpha early-access title that's been out for 2 days?!
Dude... !
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Aug 2025 23:09 Post subject: |
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In other words this is very lazy work, not gonna buy this even tho i love ARPGs.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2025 00:54 Post subject: |
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Last Epoch?
You mean... THIS GAME(?!):
So much for their "end game"... 
And you think that TWO YEARS is enough to establish a competitive end-game for a game that has so many expectations?!
WTF man, are you arguing with me for the SAKE of arguing?!
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2025 08:51 Post subject: |
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Your "argument" is retarded.
For starters, the discussion was about endgame and you moved the goalposts to current playerbase when you lost the argument. Titan Quest II came out two days ago, for that very reason it has a higher playerbase right now than even Path of Exile 2. What does this have to do with the non-existent endgame?
Related to the steam charts, no endgame lasts forever or should. These games are cyclical. The spike you see there is the release of the new season. There will be another spike on 21st August when Season 3 comes out.
Every season based Hack & Slash works this way. The non-seasonal Hack & Slashes just quietly die out until a new expansion is released and they get slightly revitalized.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2025 08:56 Post subject: |
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To me, no end game should exist at all 
Dunno what they could replace it with, I don't have that answer. But endgame loop isn't it.
Just like I can't tell a chef how to make a steak that tastes like dogfarts better. But dogfart seasoning isn't it.
The whole "Get to end game" concept has always been a problem for me in any genre that uses it, not just ARPG (Looking at you MMOs, you've sucked since late 2000's when that became all the rage of what to do: Rush to endgame loop).
If I am at end game, there better be credits. Not some quasi: The end game loop is the start of the 'real' game, cop out.
If max level is 100, give me enough content to get to 100, not stop at 70 and loop me through the same shit for 200 more hours for the last 30 levels 
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2025 09:08 Post subject: |
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| SumZero wrote: | To me, no end game should exist at all
The whole "Get to end game" concept has always been a problem for me in any genre that uses it, not just ARPG (Looking at you MMOs, you've sucked since late 2000's when that became all the rage of what to do: Rush to endgame loop).
If I am at end game, there better be credits. Not some quasi: The end game loop is the start of the 'real' game, cop out.
If max level is 100, give me enough content to get to 100, not stop at 70 and loop me through the same shit for 200 hours for the last 30 levels |
That actually sums up my feelings on it fairly nicely as well.
The ENTIRE GAME should be engaging, teasing, and then rolling out new mechanics, skills, monsters, and locations evenly throughout. Then, when everything's out of the bag, a bit more time to take it all in. Then, end it - leaving the option open for "endless play" via a checkbox or something so you can revisit that character you worked so hard on in the future.
Fucking hate when you spend 80% of the game gimped because all the fun, rewarding, and engaging stuff is left for the last 20%. This works in reverse too, where they show everything there is to show in the first 20% and then the rest of it is a repetitive slog.
I realize all this is easier said then done, but games have done it. Hades and Hades II come to mind - don't think I ever got bored playing those. Always something new to discover, whether it be conversation and backstory, some mechanic, a new weapon aspect etc.
I can never be free, because the shackles I wear can't be touched or be seen.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2025 09:36 Post subject: |
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| Nodrim wrote: | | Your "argument" is retarded. |
There's an emotional component to that answer.
I understand.
Still, for the sake of closure:
It's understandable to offer time and chance to 'shine' to a project that's been out for only 2 days and - so far - DOES some things very well.
Also, the most important: FEED-BACK is the driving force for success. So... IF they refuse to listen, you can shit on them as much as you want.
EDIT
Also, I personally don't give a FUCK about end-game. In ANY game!
Had enough END-GAME in WoW to last me couple of lifetimes... |
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2025 09:44 Post subject: |
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| blackeyedboy wrote: | | Nodrim wrote: | | Your "argument" is retarded. |
There's an emotional component to that answer.
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It's just a mirror.
| blackeyedboy wrote: | | That guy retarded or what? |
| blackeyedboy wrote: |
Still, for the sake of closure:
It's understandable to offer time and chance to 'shine' to a project that's been out for only 2 days and - so far - DOES some things very well.
Also, the most important: FEED-BACK is the driving force for success. So... IF they refuse to listen, you can shit on them as much as you want.
EDIT
Also, I personally don't give a FUCK about end-game. In ANY game!
Had enough END-GAME in WoW to last me couple of lifetimes... |
Cut the crap with this wannabe objective bullshit when this whole discussion stems from your subjectivism related to the Titan Quest topic.
Any other game that wasn't Blizzard or some other nostalgia driven cashgrab, you would have torn it apart for coming into Early Access with 6 hours of gameplay and barely any content.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2025 10:57 Post subject: |
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| Immunity wrote: | | SumZero wrote: | To me, no end game should exist at all
The whole "Get to end game" concept has always been a problem for me in any genre that uses it, not just ARPG (Looking at you MMOs, you've sucked since late 2000's when that became all the rage of what to do: Rush to endgame loop).
If I am at end game, there better be credits. Not some quasi: The end game loop is the start of the 'real' game, cop out.
If max level is 100, give me enough content to get to 100, not stop at 70 and loop me through the same shit for 200 hours for the last 30 levels |
That actually sums up my feelings on it fairly nicely as well.
The ENTIRE GAME should be engaging, teasing, and then rolling out new mechanics, skills, monsters, and locations evenly throughout. Then, when everything's out of the bag, a bit more time to take it all in. Then, end it - leaving the option open for "endless play" via a checkbox or something so you can revisit that character you worked so hard on in the future.
Fucking hate when you spend 80% of the game gimped because all the fun, rewarding, and engaging stuff is left for the last 20%. This works in reverse too, where they show everything there is to show in the first 20% and then the rest of it is a repetitive slog.
I realize all this is easier said then done, but games have done it. Hades and Hades II come to mind - don't think I ever got bored playing those. Always something new to discover, whether it be conversation and backstory, some mechanic, a new weapon aspect etc. |
Agreed. Why not make a diablo style aRPG with (optional) dark soul difficulty for a 30 hourish game. That's worth 30 bucks for me.
The reason is obvious though: streamers don't want this cause they wanna stream the game forever end make endless video's about why the endgame sucks. Everything for the views.
Sadly streamers make or break these games nowdays. People are that stupid.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2025 11:12 Post subject: |
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| Nodrim wrote: | | Cut the crap with this wannabe objective bullshit when this whole discussion stems from your subjectivism related to the Titan Quest topic. |
Your personal grudge / bias clouds your judgement, pal.
There is NO SUBJECTIVE claim from me, on this thread, about this specific game. I did not criticize nor supported this one.
All I did was show some elementary patience regarding something that is too early to ask for.
| Nodrim wrote: | | Any other game that wasn't Blizzard or some other nostalgia driven cashgrab, you would have torn it apart for coming into Early Access with 6 hours of gameplay and barely any content. |
This is a logical error from you part, with 2 major issues:
1. I NEVER did this with any game.
2. You erroneously assume my actions without understanding my motives and reasoning; your 'predictions' are illogical, emotional and quite feminine. |
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Nodrim
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2025 11:26 Post subject: |
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| blackeyedboy wrote: |
All I did was show some elementary patience regarding something that is too early to ask for. |
Then maybe it was too early for them to ask for money.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2025 12:58 Post subject: |
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| Nodrim wrote: | | blackeyedboy wrote: |
All I did was show some elementary patience regarding something that is too early to ask for. |
Then maybe it was too early for them to ask for money. |
Maybe, maybe not.
But probably more like "maybe not", since:
Titan Quest II Overall Reviews on Steam: Very Positive (4,729 reviews) |
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2025 16:23 Post subject: |
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| blackeyedboy wrote: | | Had enough END-GAME in WoW to last me couple of lifetimes... |
WoW is what the catalyst was I think, it popularized it. Games had it before it, but it mainstreamed it.
I would be standing in ironforge see a level 1 guy type in chat ask "Hey I just got the game, what is endgame like?" because it's his first MMO, and his friend, that is also that first guys MMO, heard about something called the awesome endgame.
Due you JUST logged in. just enjoy the game..
(sorry mini rant of. I was a HUGE MMO player before WoW. After most tried to follow its success story and all became same-same end game rushes)
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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| Posted: Mon, 4th Aug 2025 23:16 Post subject: |
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Ehh you know what you'll get and if you're patient you can save a lpt of money. Just dont buy it to play it right now, that's just retarded.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Aug 2025 00:23 Post subject: |
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| Breezer_ wrote: | | Blackeyedboy, no matter how hard you twist it, game does not have any content and it clearly was too early to ask any money, but hey this is modern times, just release any incomplete shit and derps will buy it. I was shocked to see after 2 years of waiting that this is all they have done , i thought full game is releasing (early access ofc) . |
I don't believe this one is "incomplete shit".
It is, though, an incomplete, good game in Early Access.
What the devs. will do from now on regarding price, content, end-game and feed-back... that's something we'll have to see and whine about in the future. |
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Aug 2025 00:32 Post subject: |
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| blackeyedboy wrote: | | I don't believe this one is "incomplete shit". |
Your right, its "complete shit".
(I don't actually think that, just you set yourself up for it and I had to take it).
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Aug 2025 08:45 Post subject: |
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Thanks for letting me know I wasted my time. 👍
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Aug 2025 21:45 Post subject: |
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Titan quest 2 total crap. Grim Dawn set the standards way to good.
Why walk, when you can ride.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Aug 2025 22:05 Post subject: |
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I disagree from my perspective and expectations.
Grim Dawn I lasted 30 hours in according to steam, it was FAR too basic and skill tree waaay too linear and limited. I got to 30 hours by the "Ok it can't be this simple, it has to get better later" and it didn't.
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Aug 2025 09:25 Post subject: |
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| SumZero wrote: | I disagree from my perspective and expectations.
Grim Dawn I lasted 30 hours in according to steam, it was FAR too basic and skill tree waaay too linear and limited. I got to 30 hours by the "Ok it can't be this simple, it has to get better later" and it didn't. |
Fair enough if it didn’t click for you, but 30 hours in and still thinking it’s "too basic" is surprising, Grim Dawn really shines in build depth and flexibility, especially with dual class systems, devotions, and all the item modifiers. I’d say it's one of the best ARPGs out there once you start experimenting.
Calling the skill tree limited? That’s wild to me, considering how many viable build paths and crazy synergies there are.
Titan quest 2 is a joke compared to GD, night and day difference between just loot, and how you can use and take advantage of loot.
Curently after 9 and a half years, steam says - 2,286 In-Game, and that just people who own original.
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Aug 2025 13:35 Post subject: |
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| keewee23 wrote: | | Titan quest 2 total crap. Grim Dawn set the standards way to good. |
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| Posted: Wed, 6th Aug 2025 16:54 Post subject: |
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@keewee23
(long post, but I seem to do that without trying, and conveying my whole experience with it)
Maybe it's because I like pet classes. And the necro felt super limited.
It had a "You want pets? Pick any you want long as the final combo is skeletons, the big guy, and the dog thing. And you want different pet powers? No problem you want them to have blue, green, or red colored attacks? All work as well as each other."
Or something like that, been a while. I remember I didn't even bother with dual other than I think to get one pet the crow (I think) and never used it. I just did because I had to after hitting max in pet necro where I wanted points.
Max out 'all the things' necro pet line was too powerful on its own to waste time elsewhere until you just have to, because max points you can put in one was hit.
Not trying to dismissing your liking of it. I like games a lot of people find boring
Just to me it was 'point and click next thing' as you leveled. For the skills it is (or necro) pretty limited linear. You end up with them all anyway you just get to pick the order you do, as to be 'rolf stomp mobs' OP you just get them all but one row (Can't remember which one) as they are all straight lines.
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Then I got to the other tree (devotion I think?), to realize it's mostly minor flavor/enhancing stuff, vs truly building altering (maybe I was expecting too much after PoEs tree)
Maybe my class, or build, or something was broken at the time.
I killed 2 bosses and a chapter boss without realizing it as me and friend played. I thought it was an elite, it was the 'main' boss. Most the time I didn't even stop walking, just walk and stuff died. Why I thought it was a 'harder' mob, because I had to pause walking to kill it. (Whatever the one that sits in the top right of the screen, is big, and doesn't move because it's part of the 'area'...I think, been a while). That's how OP and 'click next skill in the line when you can on levelup to win' it felt.
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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