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I try to watch his videos..I really do to read the room of his side.
I had to stop at 3 minutes. Well didn't need to, just at 3 minutes you get enough to know the rest of where it is going. You would just be waiting for him to say it.
He does that a lot. And my god..can he start ANY video without claiming an opinion or future projection as 'fact' calling it such with a dramatic pause, then saying "Yet no one is hardly talking about it"...is that his catch phrase??
Also how can you try to state "as you know" as a 'layman's knowledge' premise, then say no one is talking about that thing to imply the urgency of action? How would you assume the viewer obviously knows, if no one talks about it? Pick one...
But this one takes the cake.
As the 2 to 3 minute marker was a string of strawman's about multiculturalism. And goes on to say multiculturalism means (very wrongly): You are not allowed to point out or criticize the bad people do...Then saying a nation with a mix of people from different backgrounds is not good? And easy to prove that it isn't?
He then wanders into framing that argument in extremes of what he is OK with (frivolous trope thing like if you like noodles or rice), then jumps right to acts of violence or oppression. In an attempt prove what the 'west' [overreaching dog whistle he uses a lot] is accepting, by implied 'and so logic follows' fallacy that they are too stupid to separate beating women or not, from if your culture eats rice or noodles. Not his words but his argument: They are too dumb and oblivious in where accepting others difference stops. So they need to stop doing it altogether.
Never thought I'd hear the day a Jew would proudly proclaim "I am against multiculturalism, and I hope you are too" (not ad libbing, his words)
His attempt to point out muslims extremist taking over anywhere IS bad (and I agree). His approach to explain it, is also very very very bad. Like "Wait..wtf? Let me rewind this shit, what did you just say?"
What he is saying is because he has Muslim on the Brain so bad. He is like a MAGA republican: All Immigrants = Mexicans; But his: all Multiculturalism = Muslims
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Aug 2025 17:08 Post subject: |
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If these people had proper argumentation and scientific research, they wouldn't be these people.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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zenux
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Aug 2025 17:21 Post subject: |
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I agree with his underlying premise: Extreme islam becoming the majority in any nation would be bad. That's obvious on the surface as a given with just basic knowledge of what extreme Islam is.
Just his approach always is so...I dunno how to even explain it. Post hoc ergo propter hoc? Ad baculum? Don't think those alone are right, maybe because it's a potpourri of many different ones blended.
Like pointing out its a 'fact' that by year so and so...it hasnt happened dude, it can't be a fact. it a projection, a prediction.
Calling it a fact so you can 'after this, therefore because of this'. Is in error. A future event, cannot be leaned on as a fact for conclusions of a follows argument.
@zenux
To sum up what I was saying, as I do ramble  :
His argument was setups as: I am for: (pedantic frivolous tropes of cultures as examples of differences), then jumps to beating women and violence as the 'rest' of what it means. To frame he is against multiculturalism, because the 'west' ['the other THEM'] cannot seem to find the line between those things.
And I get what he means by "I am against multiculturalism, and I hope you are too" [Means: I am anti-muslim]. But man, the gloves of softening those words he put on..was the wrong ones.
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Aug 2025 17:26 Post subject: |
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I never understood the argument that multiculturalism = islam. In my opinion it's the exact opposite; Islam = monoculturalism. We (being "the west") have been living in a multicultural society for many decades already. It's only since islam has become more prevalent that it's apparently become a problem.
These people opposing multiculturalism are usually christians (or whatever) with basically the same conservative views than islam has.
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Aug 2025 17:30 Post subject: |
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That's a good way to put it. @Il_Padrino
multiculturalism is not bad. monoculturalism is. His argument is against the good thing, based around 'encroachment' of the bad thing.
I assume because of slippery slope argument:
If we accept multiculturalism, it means also accepting those that are monoculturalist, when that's not what it means. And it's a 'fact' where that will lead [you can't claim a future fact, he does this every other video it feels like]: So gimme a knife, a got a nose to cut off because of my face.
He always has a slight vibe of "The Middle East could get along all so well. If we was all just jewish. Christians CAN come. They are cool. But all jewish? Man to dream the dream."
He never says it outright, but when talking about any other nation around where he lives he sometimes takes time, unprompted, to remark how 'well behaved' the jews in that area is. (Not saying they are not. Just..an odd comment to slip in)
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Aug 2025 22:15 Post subject: |
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You can say the same about monotheism and then the plural form.
If we allow other religions to exist.
But eh, all religions are nonsense.
God, Allah, Jahweh don't exist!
Man made fabrications!
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| Posted: Fri, 22nd Aug 2025 23:09 Post subject: |
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Man was not made in God's image, God was made in man's.
Why he is jealous, petty, angry, vengeful, contradictory, spiteful, and insecure to demand (by all 3 major books anyway) not only do you need to display your worship of him among others; but live your life, in action and thought, based around him and your faith to him.
All 3 are crazy.
Judaism by agree that the 'batshit crazy' part of the 2 part series is the only real one.
And Christianity saying that part AND the spin off best seller "You've seen God, now see the new hit series 'Son of God. " is the bestest of them all.
Islam for the looney mortal fanfic version of "You've seen the Hit Star Abraham, from such greats as 'You've seen God'. Now, see the new hit series 'Son, of the son, of many sons lineage of Abraham! (Muhammad)"
Then they all spend a lot of time ignoring what the books teach (the inconvenient to them parts anyway), while telling other people to obey what the books teach.
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Aug 2025 00:24 Post subject: |
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All religions are stupid!
It tells if you feel the need to post a wall of text above.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Aug 2025 00:31 Post subject: |
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I wouldn't say all of them. Now all of them are equally non-essential Id agree.
There are some more mundane ones out there, but many of them are just basic human decency and discipline, wrap in mysticism to give it a bit of flair and flare to appeal to that 'bigger than myself' vibe.
For those types I say, different strokes, different folks. Stroke yours however gets it up for you, even if you need to imagine something else is stroking it to do so. Just don't try to convince me it's not your own hand.
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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zenux
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Aug 2025 11:53 Post subject: |
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Dx, Icon, you are products of left propaganda, whether you are aware of it or not.
All religions are the same, all cultures are the same, all people are the same.
We should treat them all equally, you say.
I think this is wrong, I think people, ideologies, religious mindsets should be treated as to how they demonstrably fit into modern liberal values.
I'm saying this totally aware that I myself don't share some of these "modern liberal values" to certain extent.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Aug 2025 13:41 Post subject: |
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The enlightenment liberal values would have worked, even though some of it was an illusion.
Equality of opportunity instead of equity in outcomes. It was based on color and race blindness indeed, but ideologies and religions were treated relative to their compatibility with democracy and enlightenment values. So Islam was rightfully under fire and every religion in general was met with critique as well.
But the truth is that there are deeper cultural and genetic differences between the peoples than even enlightenment liberalism dares to admit. Turns out the colonialist racists back then were right in many regards. The third world mindset is deeply ingrained. Low trust vs. high trust societies are a real and obversable thing. Africans have problems with the concept of time. IQ is a significant contributor and more defined by genetics than environmental upbringing. etc. etc.
This stuff was known to some back in the 2000s but we chose to ignore it because we could have stable, functioning societies anyway as long as that third world influence was small enough and people were united by western progressive values instead of being divided by tribalism.
But the woke put people into competing groups of oppressor and oppressed by devising the progressive stack and economists went for mass replacement immigration to get cheap workers. Now the cat is out of the bag and we have to deal with it.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Aug 2025 17:04 Post subject: |
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| zenux wrote: | | I'm saying this totally aware that I myself don't share some of these "modern liberal values" to certain extent. |
That is true, but you say it sharing some of them (you say it for the means of those you do share, not despite those you don't), along with a commonality of the self religious aspect, and behooves you to align as such, since you have one you hold yourself. And frame it around the perspective you have of that one, being benign and helpful...in your eyes.
When to me the one you hold (cant remember which one, one of the eastern india ones?) Goes back to that "Basic human decency and self respect, with more steps" to me.
---for the rest---
I didn't say they was all the same, I even said they wasn't. I have only mentioned the 'big 3' are same-same to me before. And only because those are the 3 brought up here on the forum. Bring up another I will discuss my thoughts on it if asked.
And I even said in that same post, that they are not all equal and pointed out some are not monoliths of moral superiority, but simply common sense wrapped in woo woo to feel 'bigger than'.
I said (or implied) they should all be treated equally in only one aspect: Use whatever means you need to 'different strokes' for you. Just none of them should try to convince me whatever they imaginate is making them better people, isn't just their own hand doing the stroking. By all means: Jack-off all you want pretending a porn star is there doing it, just don't ask me to agree with your fantasy she indeed is in the room with you. Or that she is a societal necessity for you to do the strokes.
And why does everything now a days no matter how far outside politics, get blamed on political propaganda??
I wasn't old enough to care or know about that stuff or hear it, before I (in my own opinions) decided internally all religions was fluff bullshit and should be equally ignored as real until one can give me more proof than 'trust me bro'.
Had nothing, at all, to do with 'left propaganda' back in the 1980's as a kid when I came to my subjective self conclusion on it.
IF anything, I thought that way on my own, before I even realized some other people thought that too. When I was young I honestly thought I was the only one that thought "Does all these seem...same-same bullshity, and prey/rely on the same human impulses and quirks? Am I the odd one out that is simply not 'getting it'? "
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Aug 2025 19:18 Post subject: |
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| zenux wrote: | Dx, Icon, you are products of left propaganda, whether you are aware of it or not.
All religions are the same, all cultures are the same, all people are the same.
We should treat them all equally, you say. |
Edited...a few times...to be less rambly.
As for this I agree with you. But you might be confusing/misunderstanding that all should be treated fairly, with I am saying treated equally. Or that you mean equally as in everyone gets treated the same regardless of what they personally do/say/invoke? If so not at all.
'Treated equally' to me means "Tabula rasa" on initial stance meeting them until they, themselves, paint on the slate what I should see in them. Otherwise I am using bias and stereotypes based on what hear about everyone else 'like them' BUT that person. (As I cannot use them in that judgement. I just met them and know nothing about them)
Do not confuse that I mean "Everyone deserves the same ongoing equal viewing". I don't. It simply means everyone individually deserves the right to earn that sentiment.
My sentiment: Treat every person, individual person, as their own book to judge by. regardless of what statistical data of background make them up. That person does dumb shit? They are a dumb shit, because of what they did. Not what they are. Now what they are might have compelled them to do that dumb shit. But they themselves, earned the 'dumb shit' label and are the ones to point out and made important they are that 'thing', not me.
I guess to make a tongue in cheek satire of the saying:
I don't see race, religion, background, sex, or whatever.
I don't do that far. But I do see based on/by: An OK person, Dumbass person, Dangerous person, Weird person, Asshole person, Good person, Decent person, etc.
What they 'are' doesn't influence my views on them. How they act, does. IF that includes what they 'are' they made it a point, not me.
They are painting that personalized blank tablet I have of them. They hold the brush, not me. If they paint asshole jihadist on it..their choice. But unless they put that on there, I won't. It's always blank to start with, but it's all permanent paint and what that person paints..stays. But I never grab the brush myself to start sketching the lines of what I think they will paint for them. I try not to: Hello there nice to meet you, hold on..give me that tablet back real quick? I will get you started I know where you are going with this.
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Aug 2025 20:12 Post subject: |
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| zenux wrote: |
I think this is wrong, I think people, ideologies, religious mindsets should be treated as to how they demonstrably fit into modern liberal values.
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None of them fit into "modern liberal values". The abraham saga drivel is colonialist garbage to give the poor hope in a better afterlife than the one they'll be stuck with until they die. Making them far less likely to take it from the fotunate few. All of them are guilty of expansionism and genocide.
That being said tho, the world is a tribal warzone, all this talk about who's got the moral high ground is just smelling one's farts. The reality within each society and the globe is that those who are materialy above stomp down to stay up, and those below drag down to climb up. All this pretense that one group's farts smell like roses is utter nonsense.
Those who through sheer luck, circumstance or early advantage will say whatever they need to dehumanize those less fortunate to facilitate getting them out of the way and claiming their space.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Aug 2025 20:44 Post subject: |
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That's a decent point.
I feel it's not a matter of if they demonstrably fit into modern liberal values, or modern values in general. It's measuring one thing and proclaiming the results are another.
It if they demonstrably conflict with modern values is what is being measured. And announcing it as which ones fits into them. They can be shown to not harm modern values (some of the more 'all about self' religions). But that does not mean it contributes anything. It just means it doesn't conflict enough to impede modern values on a whole.
But in the end (to me) they are all "We found the best way to pretend things" and that does not fit or help modern values. It just puts a sock puppet on your hand to do what you could do without needing the puppet.
Even the argument of: X religion prompts no violence, don't pressure others to believe it, nor forces its values on anyone. So it's not bad.
Agreed, it's not bad, for others. But it convinced you to believe things (probably) not true. So it's bad for each person in it. Even if the result is you are a better person for being lied to, you was still lied to. And it taught you to be proud to lie to yourself because it feels good. Not very moral in my eyes.
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Aug 2025 22:08 Post subject: |
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| SumZero wrote: |
And why does everything now a days no matter how far outside politics, get blamed on political propaganda??
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I never said strictly political, propaganda could be performed thru cultural/educational/existential means, like :family, friends, school, work, media you consume that form you into an adult.
And some thoughts, not addressed to you, presonally, DX:
Some ways of life are just better. Democracies usually better than dictatorships. Democracies are more economically viable. Societies where human rights are respected irrespective of sex are usually more thriving than those where one sex is oppressed. It is so just from pure economical aspect of it: more working force.
Some societies are just better built than the others. The same could be said about teachings with supernatural ingredient or without it. Some mindsets are more tuned into progress, science and so on. You can deny the statistics all day long, you are not fooling anyone, not even yourself, you are just being disingenuous.
I always prefer Silver Rule to Golden Rule of politeness especially when dealing with intolerance/rudeness.
Silver Rule = Treat others as they treat you.
Golden Rule = Treat others as one would like to be treated by those others.
The South American tribes who still live primevally, barely touched by modern world, will never amount to anything but being curiosity for their more civilised neighbours. They won't develop spiritually into utopian societies untarnished by "material" modern world. No they won't, they will remain primeval, cause miracles don't happen.
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| Posted: Sat, 23rd Aug 2025 22:23 Post subject: |
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| zenux wrote: |
I never said strictly political, propaganda could be performed thru cultural/educational/existential means, like :family, friends, school, work, media you consume that form you into an adult. |
But do you not agree its not possible to come to a similar but separate conclusion as someone/something else, without being coerced or tricked into it.
I finally got out of the influence, not into one. Nothing (being honest) influenced my stance on religion other than my own gray matter. As I said, I thought "Do I not get it? Am I the only one just not feeling it?" Why I read so many religious books and information on so many in my pre/early teens. I thought "Maybe I just don't fit this one" to find out I didn't fit any of them. And maybe just I was 'odd'. To also later find out in my mid teens that no, other people do that too.
For the rest:
And I agree and disagree.
Some ways of life ARE better, for your (our) fulcrum pivot of what you (we) consider 'better'. That metric adds a lot of mechanical advantage on what is easier to lift up as better.
I think a many thing among what mankind 'has' as progress is horrible, or at least its impact and effect for the sake of it existing. Others think some of those things are in the top 20 best things since man existed.
Your example..for..uh..example (Weird way to say that):
It COULD be argued they don't need a miracle. Who says them advancing to having 9-5 jobs, cars, traffic, bills, social media, phones to stare at is better than Living in the woods, with no job you can be fired from, no bills, or global population production, no practically enslaving others to make items for them.
I am fairly certain if the knew the whole scope of modernization, and not just shown/seen the 'perky good parts' some would tell you "You can keep your miracle".
Some of them think they are in a near utopian society from their expectations and outlook (or as close as one could get in that form.) Some have said so much when interviewed about what they have, vs what they see.
That is a VERY "American Settlers" outlook to have (or just Europe..for a while there 'civilizing' random places they took). Be careful with it: Look at these primitives living in tents. We need to show them living can be better (better as is European expectations in life) [hitchhikers guide. Maybe they like being dolphins, and acting human would be silly]
And I am not denying any statistics I am saying it causing progress, doesn't make it itself a good thing. I am not denying it caused progress, Im saying..was it worth it? Its EASY to look at what we got and say 'this is nice' and forget the long forgotten faceless souls that suffered for some of it, so we have it.
The plague, small pox, and WWII created progress. I wouldn't say "We need all these things to have existed and also to exist again. To promote progress"
WWII for example, I enjoy having a microwave. Do I think its worth the that people died so that one thing, [granted out of many], could be invented for me to have that luxury? Nah. We accidently got a good thing, out of a far worse thing.
Is millions dying in crusades worth pretty stained glass and gothic architecture? And a ceiling with angels on it? Nah..not to me. Whatever we got if we didnt have that, would be better no matter what it was.
Easy to look in the rearview mirror and see what 'came to be' and say without X we wouldn't have it. But hard to deny that if that rear view was different it could possibly be much better, or worse. How do we know? By what we have? Could we perhaps had more without? Without a definitive 'no' stating it's only we got 'this' far by what happened, simply because now 'is'...is like thinking humans are 'the smartest a thing could be as of now' because we are the smartest thing...we..know.
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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One thing that I find it fascinating is how both the muslim world and the west see each other as uncivilized. And it would hurt their heads to understand the reality that they're both just being supremacist dehumanizing assholes.
Science and individual freedom did not prosper because christianity or judaism are more friendly to them, they prospered solely due to secular values and especially a secular state that wasn't ruling by some holy book from the desert a gazillion years ago.
Sexual liberation did not go into full effect in the west until the 60's and forward. Prior to that, sex outside of marriage was still a huge scandal that would ruin lives. It still does in many parts of the U.S. Women didn't get to vote until last century as well. And if you ask a lot of christians there they'll tell you it was a bad idea.
In countries where abrahamic religions rule such as the muslim world it is seen as uncivilized regression towards degeneracy, disease and cuckoldry to have a deregulated sex life as "the way cave people did it"
there is also the question how scientifically "advanced" does the world need to be? we live under the constant threat of global nuclear annihiliation, automation and purposelessness. Not to mention the rapidly declining state of the natural environment that kept us healthy. People know too much to be hopeful. Escapism and hedonistic pleasures being their only escape. Hence the declining birthrates.
Also, how civilized is the western empire really when it's more likely to steal resources and land from others by force than make fair deals for them? Fund the very same terrorists it claims to abhorr when it suits their wants?
The human species in general regardless of how one tribe looks or behaves within their respective bubbles has not gone above ooga booga I bonk you harder I take your berries.
Tl;dr the question of which society is the ideal one is still unanswered as life is a bitch and will find ways to bite you no matter which way you go.
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Yea, people keep attributing things 'to' a religion, when most of them was simply they happened under one.
And an equal amount happened despite one trying to stop it.
You can argue they funded a lot of it. But if they didn't exist something would have filled the vacuum of that power and would have funded other things.
Hell roman gods could have been the movement that caught on everywhere. What would we have now? Silly to say "Without Judaism and Jesus, we would have none of this" like it's an unspoken implication of 'because it's the best outcome'. It's simply AN outcome. We have no comparator of what else it could have been otherwise, good or bad what.
Sistine chapel ceiling. Unquestionably beautiful paintings of religious stuff.
What if some other power that replaces the church in another timeline hired him? What would we have? Could be a ceiling full of astronomical bodies and stars depicting the sky above it. Causing more people to get interested in learning more about our place in the universe, vs arguing who put us here and beating people to death that answer wrong downstairs from the ceiling?...
(Or any other equally in another timeline: MAN can you imagine a world without Michelangelo's [whatever he did instead]).
OR. Maybe just a ceiling full of useless puppies and flowers..Who knows.
Or they never hired him and he spent that time drawing more inventions. Or not..and slept a lot.
We can't miss what we never had exist, only what has. Just like we cannot appreciate what we never got instead.
And I'd wager anyone killed, tortured, burned to death, drown, torn apart on a rack, beaten, or starved to death by the monolith of power the church was would agree "No no, all our deaths was worth you having Gothic architecture, and pretty windows in them. I know you would hate to think about if they was never built".
I'd argue masons would still exist, still have the same skill. And we might have other even as amazing examples of architecture NOT dedicated to a specific narrow group of people that share a belief.
It all stinks of the sentiment "Well if we didn't have Gods (specifically the two big ones I like). We would all still be rocks smashers beating bears to death with sticks."
Can we argue Muslims need to exist because otherwise we would still be counting on our fingers because Algebra and trig was made under Muslim-ruled empires? All the defenses of "Well thank religion existing for what we have" seems to forgot to defend them as valid to have around, for that past contribution like the other two get.
(Sound a bit dumb when consider it that way as a defense doesn't it?)
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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All I'm saying is highly sophisticated and technologically advanced barbarism is often confused for superior civility. It's the old tradition of attributing poverty with savagery. Poverty that is caused and maintained by said civilized people.
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| Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2025 06:40 Post subject: |
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I was too, I just have an odd way of saying it. I was agreeing with you.
Just my Yoda speak is a bit hard to follow.
Mine was a different angle on the same thing: Attributing needing a church for civility or advancement is like painting a brush with a house. its nontanginle to imply the cause -> effect is that.
Again not seen one person defend Muslims saying "well without them and Muslim-ruled empires, we wouldn't have Trig or Algebra. So they kinda need to exist for us to advance".
Because it would sound as silly, as the other defenses are and just not noticed they are.
And yea the whole sentiment of 'non phone, internet, car and plane ticket having civilizations' need a leg up from us to be 'like us' reeks of Colonialism wrapped in a prom dress.
I mean as much of a science nerd as I am. I would argue strongly: Those 'primitives' don't even know it exists to help, BUT all of us do, and 90% of us don't care to take part or even care to take time to understand it. What's all their excuses of not helping if advancement is said to be the sole goal that justifies the means?
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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@FireMaster @SumZero Great posts men.
quote="FireMaster"]All I'm saying is highly sophisticated and technologically advanced barbarism is often confused for superior civility. It's the old tradition of attributing poverty with savagery. Poverty that is caused and maintained by said civilized people.[/quote]
Ah, the dialectic of enlightenment. Because behind the so called civilization resides the will to dominate that results so often in some form of totalitarianism. In my opinion the best measure of civilization is how much freedom it allows its people. But an informed freedom, based on knowledge, solidarity, the rule of law and respect of future and outside humans. In that regard progress is always hard work and as we see, we will often fall back to exploitation despite better knowledge and totalitarianism because of consumerism and the concentration of power in a few hands.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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You just argued yourselves back up to enlightenment liberalism again. It has some of the best dialectic but if the postmodern left hadn't deconstructed it in the 2010s it would now be the prevailing ideology in the west. The problem is we moved in a completely different direction. Confronted with the tribal and racist biological realities of the present it will be almost impossible to reintroduce. The most likely scenarios now are: Fascism if the right wins, Submission if Islam wins, Totalitarian censorship if bureaucrats win. What a shame.
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There are no racist realities. If you want to talk about genetic differences and predispositions, aka the genetic lottery; these exist even within a supposed "race" itself. There are geniuses and retards within every race, strong and resiliant bodies as well as weak and prone to illness. You'd be lying to yourself or lack world experience to believe otherwise.
There is no master race that is just another "chosen ones" rhetoric to dehumanize the other and justify atrocities for resources.
Ahh how easy it is for such "smart" people to always fall for self flattery tricks. Truly an intellectually superior master race.
The easier the access to good education, healthcare and sustainable growth the better people get at these attributes. If Europe didn't socialize their education and healthcare you'd see just as much confused retarded behavior and sickly people as the greed driven U.S and the rest of the poor world. Refer to pre-industrial europe for examples.
Some policies enlighten, some keep people in the dark. That's all there is to it.
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Sydney Sweeney has great jeans
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I have a thread dedicated to her with a real picture of her dressed in jeans:
https://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=119590
Edit: Obviously not one of my serious threads.
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| Shocktrooper wrote: | | The most likely scenarios now are: Fascism if the right wins, Submission if Islam wins, Totalitarian censorship if bureaucrats win. What a shame. |
Isn't these all the same thing? If those that crave power, get power, we all lose our power.
Nothing new, same struggle we have been doing it since we first drew lines and formed teams. Only difference is we are constantly innovating new and creative ways (or at least names of it) to pooly rule over the people and fight about which is the least shitty (for our particular self of course..what cause the all the fighting)
Stormwolf - "Who cares about some racial stuff, certainly not the victims."
- Democracy Dies in Dumbness.
- Watching people my age grow from cynical youth who distrusts and dismisses the older generation, into cynical old people who distrusts and dismisses younger generations.
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