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DXWarlock
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I don’t disagree with Vurt on the concept. I disagree with the leap from “LLMs reply in ways that look like thinking/reasoning” to “therefore they are actually thinking and reasoning.”
We just do not know that. We still do not understand the black box well enough, so I’m wary of applying traits to it just because what it does looks similar to the only example of reasoning we actually know: us.
It may or may not be. But I cannot myself defend that it surely is. Because I see results that may only mirror/mimic it.
It feels like seeing output that resembles reasoning and then concluding it must be reasoning, which is like hearing a parrot speak and deciding it understands language.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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LeoNatan
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Sun, 10th May 2026 23:37 Post subject: |
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41 more to go my man, you can do it.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Sun, 10th May 2026 23:39 Post subject: |
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 00:01 Post subject: |
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Shit, that means like 90% of podcasts are podslop: 51% are human made slop, 39% are AI made slop.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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vurt
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 11:02 Post subject: |
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AI content is kind of annoying, i especially hate when i see it directed to older people and the comments are filled with "bless your heart" and with hundreds of thousands of views and not a single comment that it's AI.
You can since long have a human avatar which looks 95% human like, the one thing i don't think it does well is the blinking of the eyes. I have been fooled in the past but now when i know what to look for i can tell pretty quickly, same with AI voices, i can almost always tell but it can take a while before you realize its AI, it gets very one-note.
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harry_theone
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 12:17 Post subject: |
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Unfortunately most people aren't as smart to spot this and get influenced by whatever the post is trying to convey
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 12:35 Post subject: |
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Old people are fucking stupid and the young ones are becoming anti-AI luddite fundamentalists, it's going to be fun times ahead.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 15:05 Post subject: |
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| Shocktrooper wrote: | | young ones are becoming anti-AI luddite fundamentalists, it's going to be fun times ahead. |
LLM is not AI. But young people by large are not "anti-LLM", not by a long shot. Every 30yo and younger I know religiously ask Ciatto Geppetto religiously for advice  even the most mundane shit. They speak to them like it's their friend. I do wonder how many of them would willing to pay the actual cost of running LLM servers once the bubble pops. At this point, looks like easy money to me, since young people seem to have lost the ability to think for themselves. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 15:24 Post subject: |
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Since there is no AI yet, there is no such catastrophe in sight.
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vurt
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 15:25 Post subject: |
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lol we know your opinion, no need to spam it on every page, we really dont care.
what would make you an expert in the field anyways , you believe you are the new Alan Turing and have better arguments as to what AI would be? I'd love to hear one. Have you even trained a LLM, even made a simple fine tune? You can't even form one simple argument.
"AI" is just a word, it changes absolutely nothing, you can say "AI", "LLM", it doesn't change how they work.
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LeoNatan
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AI is actually two words, and they have a meaning. I don't care what you care.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 16:13 Post subject: |
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| vurt wrote: | | You can't even form one simple argument. |
Neither can you without being "assisted" by a chatbot. |
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 20:27 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Since there is no AI yet, there is no such catastrophe in sight. |
AI is outperforming humans in almost everything allready. Language, math. AI can learn itself an obscure language with minimal sources. AI is outperforming docters (by a huge marging) in clinical reasoning.
The only thing it isn't able to do is long term planning, automated research and agents need some work.
Also consider that our tech is developed by the collective effort of the brightest <1% of humans and it took us millenia to get here. Even with it's current shortcommings, a LMM is so much smarter then the avarage human in reasoning allready.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Mon, 11th May 2026 20:31 Post subject: |
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@vurt
Leo is that guy that wants to loudly let everyone know how much he cares, about not caring if people knows how little he cares. It's one of his traits in threads: Repeat things he said as if its a 80's sitcom character catchphrase, and spend time caring about conveying he cares less than you about [whatever] pedantic shit, so much he can't really be arsed to reply to it...by replying to it.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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LeoNatan
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| friketje wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | Since there is no AI yet, there is no such catastrophe in sight. |
AI is outperforming humans in almost everything allready. Language, math. AI can learn itself an obscure language with minimal sources. AI is outperforming docters (by a huge marging) in clinical reasoning.
The only thing it isn't able to do is long term planning, automated research and agents need some work.
Also consider that our tech is developed by the collective effort of the brightest <1% of humans and it took us millenia to get here. Even with it's current shortcommings, a LMM is so much smarter then the avarage human in reasoning allready. |
None of that is intelligence, which is my only issue with the term "AI". There is no intelligence in LLM just as there isn't any in a calculator or an encyclopedia. It doesn't learn anything, doesn't improve on its own. It's not "AI". |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 12th May 2026 00:46 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | @vurt
Leo is that guy that wants to loudly let everyone know how much he cares, about not caring if people knows how little he cares. It's one of his traits in threads: Repeat things he said as if its a 80's sitcom character catchphrase, and spend time caring about conveying he cares less than you about [whatever] pedantic shit, so much he can't really be arsed to reply to it...by replying to it. |
What else is there to do on this dumb forum? All the interesting talk is long gone. Just a few idiots filling threads with nonsense. So I do my share of that too. |
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DXWarlock
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Interesting is subjective. 3/4 of the threads on here since I joined I feel are not shit I am interested in, and think the discussion is pointless. Like literally any sports thread. Don't see me going in them for 20 years spouting the same repeated lame tropey phrases and going "Just a few idiots filling a sports threads with nonsense."
You wouldn't walk around a party simply because you are use to going to them and jump into conversations going "Booooring, dont care, frivolous shit [end on some phrase you been saying all night]".
Or maybe you would, or already do, I don't know you.
And if you think it's idiots talking, why add one more?
If condescending dismissal is your form of replying to opinions you don't care about, in a conversation that didn't involve you until you walked up, to say you have no interest in it. Hey, you do you, it's all you know, you know?
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LeoNatan
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You the armchair psycho, you tell me.
| DXWarlock wrote: | | Interesting is subjective. 3/4 of the threads on here since I joined I feel are not shit I am interested in, and think the discussion is pointless. Like literally any sports thread. Don't see me going in them for 20 years spouting the same repeated lame tropey phrases and going "Just a few idiots filling a sports threads with nonsense." |
If you notice, even those threads are gone. Looks how few posts we had for WC 2024, for example.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 12th May 2026 00:58 Post subject: |
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I just did tell you....
You means psycho as in psychologist, or psychopath? If it's the latter, I Don't need an armchair, that's optional.
If you meant psychologist. I am not trying to help you come to terms with it and beat it, I am merely stating what you do, not how you can overcome it.
| LeoNatan wrote: | | If you notice, even those threads are gone. Looks how few posts we had for WC 2024, for example. |
It's almost as if 90% of the members are gone. Yep, it's a mystery why less threads happen with less people, and some of those people the ones that started specific types of threads to get discussion going.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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LeoNatan
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I was in a wedding last week. I ran from table to table, listening to the boring conversations people were having. Every time, I yelled "you are retards", then handed them cards with the caption "LLM is not AI" while they were watching me in shock.
This may or may not be true. I don't care.
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DXWarlock
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I don't either. See we got something in common.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| Posted: Tue, 12th May 2026 14:59 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | friketje wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | Since there is no AI yet, there is no such catastrophe in sight. |
AI is outperforming humans in almost everything allready. Language, math. AI can learn itself an obscure language with minimal sources. AI is outperforming docters (by a huge marging) in clinical reasoning.
The only thing it isn't able to do is long term planning, automated research and agents need some work.
Also consider that our tech is developed by the collective effort of the brightest <1% of humans and it took us millenia to get here. Even with it's current shortcommings, a LMM is so much smarter then the avarage human in reasoning allready. |
None of that is intelligence, which is my only issue with the term "AI". There is no intelligence in LLM just as there isn't any in a calculator or an encyclopedia. It doesn't learn anything, doesn't improve on its own. It's not "AI". |
But what is intelligence? Ai is superior in a lot of fields that we attribute to intelligence. The list is getting longer fast. And most people only reproduce what they have learned, just like ai. It’s a form of intelligence but different then our form of intelligence.
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According to your definition, a dictionary or encyclopedia is intelligent and superior to humans since they contain more info than most people know.
Intelligence is being able to think outside defined boxes, and thus expanding these boxes.
AI's are trained with data within these boxes, and can thus never conceive truly new and innovative things. At most, it'll draw new conclusions on known facts, and something useful may come out of it.
Most people will not be like this, of course. Da Vinci, Mozart, Michelangelo, Einstein, ... aren't born every day. But it does happen, and they expand the boxes for the rest of us.
And this can and will never happen with LLMs.
The numbers don't decide, the system is a lie. The river running dry, the wings of butterflies.
And you may pour us away like soup. Like we're pretty broken flowers.
We'll take back what is ours. One day at a time.
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| Il_Padrino wrote: | At most, it'll draw new conclusions on known facts, and something useful may come out of it.
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It doesn't "draw" anything, it is generating a reply by predicting the next token based on probability. It doesn't understand what it is even generating.
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though, there is also.. China... so there might still be hope/fear (wonderful things, terrible things).
