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are you tryin to be the new fisk, nouseforaname?
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Apr 2006 18:03 Post subject: |
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Apr 2006 21:04 Post subject: |
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| kirkblitz wrote: | | Dont become a sex offender if you dont want your info on the web. You should lose all rights once you break the law. I dont care if they served their time, they f'd up a kid for life. The kid didnt deserve it, so that guy doesnt deserve another chance so he can mess up another kid. |
Why can't you people understand that not everyone on this list has been fiddling with kids?!
Also in the case of the 'one year under the age of consent thing', it's another BS thing really. It doesn't specify that, and you immediately think the worst i.e. a 5 year old tied up in some dungeon or something. Quite often it could be a 15 year old willingly having sex, but people will interpret that as coercion and thus being rape.
Remove the blanket covering child molesters sure, but then you have to argue where the line is drawn. Some sex offenders can be far worse than others i.e. sexual harassment at work can come on all knids of levels, from ruining families to causing mild anxiety.
Neither is good, but a little stress is much better than ruining the lives of several people forever. |
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Apr 2006 21:52 Post subject: |
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I was sexually abused by a woman when I was merely 4 years old.
And I think they should be given rehabilitation and a second chance. And I'm fully against this sex offenders list online. But of course this is America, so it could be expected from a totalitarian country. But I'd hate if it happened in Europe.
It didn't mentally harm me in any way shape or form. The only thing it might have affected me was me now being a feminist/masculist.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Apr 2006 22:18 Post subject: |
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| TheSaint wrote: | | YourGod wrote: | | my girls go skating. |
A/S/L please??   |
you dirty bastard 
going after little white girls eh? hahaha Least you know how to play it still. 18 is legal in any country  |
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Apr 2006 22:36 Post subject: |
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Hi,
shame on me, didn't read all the posts here..
Sure, rapes are one of the most disgusting crimes out there - but i'm quite happy there is and never will be such a shite-site in germany...
You never can say if a person can't change...wouldn't you want to start a new life? You would i guess...
You move far away from your home - and live a new life...till somebody types your name in there...would you be happy? No, you wouldn't be happy...
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Mon, 24th Apr 2006 22:39 Post subject: |
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If you want to know why this exists btw ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan%27s_Law
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 03:04 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: | | kirkblitz wrote: | | Dont become a sex offender if you dont want your info on the web. You should lose all rights once you break the law. I dont care if they served their time, they f'd up a kid for life. The kid didnt deserve it, so that guy doesnt deserve another chance so he can mess up another kid. |
Why can't you people understand that not everyone on this list has been fiddling with kids?!
Also in the case of the 'one year under the age of consent thing', it's another BS thing really. It doesn't specify that, and you immediately think the worst i.e. a 5 year old tied up in some dungeon or something. Quite often it could be a 15 year old willingly having sex, but people will interpret that as coercion and thus being rape.
Remove the blanket covering child molesters sure, but then you have to argue where the line is drawn. Some sex offenders can be far worse than others i.e. sexual harassment at work can come on all knids of levels, from ruining families to causing mild anxiety.
Neither is good, but a little stress is much better than ruining the lives of several people forever. |
thats why you extend the site... give details as to what the crime was...
and get rid of the minor minor minor ones...
If someone raped a women at gunpoint then they sure as fuck should be on that site.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 03:21 Post subject: |
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Dont worry im sure some sex offender will sue and will win millions and force the site to close.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 05:05 Post subject: |
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Actually, if you don't have children to worry about, you opinion carries little weight.
For example, Sublime a pimple faced kid, trying to act manly, would not understand the love a parent has for their children, and thus the need to protect them at any cost.
Some of you need to move away from mommy and daddy, and live on your own.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 06:37 Post subject: |
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| YourGod wrote: | Actually, if you don't have children to worry about, you opinion carries little weight.
For example, Sublime a pimple faced kid, trying to act manly, would not understand the love a parent has for their children, and thus the need to protect them at any cost.
Some of you need to move away from mommy and daddy, and live on your own. |
yet another idiot who thinks I have acne / pimples / whatever.
I can understand it, but I don't think that parents need to worry about someone who was looking at porn on a computer in a library, or one that pinched the arse of a secretary at work. Like i said; lock them away and remove the cover on the child rapists without a doubt, I think it's only fair the community should know about that, but I also said it should only be on a need to know basis. I.e. everyone in the local community not the whole world!
Maybe you need to move back in with your parents and find out what true love is because I bet what you're giving your kids isn't real love.
If you actually read what I was saying then you'd know that I agree with you for a lot of it, I just don't see why minorities in mild cases should be abused and risk getting killed with no real jusitification.
Ok maybe the shooter did kill 2 convicted child molesters, but maybe somewhere down the line another 'rapist' will be killed but his rape isn't actual rape and could be statutory rape. |
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 18:12 Post subject: |
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| YourGod wrote: | Actually, if you don't have children to worry about, you opinion carries little weight.
For example, Sublime a pimple faced kid, trying to act manly, would not understand the love a parent has for their children, and thus the need to protect them at any cost.
Some of you need to move away from mommy and daddy, and live on your own. |
Shit dude. I mean shit. You have no clue about anyones background, or even there age. And everyone has children to worry about ffs. I have no kids of my own, but i have 5 little cousins that i would die for.
You are so clueless and onesided = you opinion carries no weight.
I also think that this website is wrong. These people have served time for there crimes. This is the punishment deemed and put in place by our government. A what right do you have to say that they are not entitiled to change. Who are you to say that they will never change. This is the system, like it or not. They have been punished in acordance with there local laws. Everyone has the right to privacy. If they put one type of criminal on this site, they should put them all on it.
Yes i worry about people like this, sick fuckers who abuse children. And if anyone in my family or my firends family was a victem i would probably be in jail. Becasue i would kill the mother fucker. I know this sounds a little contradictory to what i just said. but its isnt. I would be doing something illegal and i would be prepared to pay the price.
This website infringes on peoples rights yet everyone thinks it should be legal.
And the argument saying "You do the crime, you have no rights" is BS. Lets just bring back linching. Or maybe we can send them all to an island. Or maybe we can try an live in our civil society we have created, with laws we created, and rights we grant to EVERYONE.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 18:58 Post subject: |
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Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little (false sense of) security will deserve neither, and lose both.
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Esel_Gesi
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 19:04 Post subject: |
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First off these sites have been around for a while and are a good thing. If I have small children I don’t want to be moving into a house next to a person who has recently sexually assaulted children. If they have been rehabilitated or not it’s too risky and not worth it to one day find out my child was raped, murdered and buried in this guys basement.
I don’t know about other states in the US but Illinois state law say sex offenders are required to register as such. After 10 years of no more violations the record is no longer public. Failure to register in a certain amount of time will add years onto this registration period. Legislators here have already had this debate long ago and thought of the rights of all parties involved. I know a girl who was raped and she will be feeling the effects of it long after a measly 10 years of shame.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 20:03 Post subject: |
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| Praetori wrote: | | Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little (false sense of) security will deserve neither, and lose both. |
Franklin? |
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 20:09 Post subject: |
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| Esel_Gesi wrote: | First off these sites have been around for a while and are a good thing. If I have small children I don’t want to be moving into a house next to a person who has recently sexually assaulted children. If they have been rehabilitated or not it’s too risky and not worth it to one day find out my child was raped, murdered and buried in this guys basement.
I don’t know about other states in the US but Illinois state law say sex offenders are required to register as such. After 10 years of no more violations the record is no longer public. Failure to register in a certain amount of time will add years onto this registration period. Legislators here have already had this debate long ago and thought of the rights of all parties involved. I know a girl who was raped and she will be feeling the effects of it long after a measly 10 years of shame. |
What would be the difference if the registry was at say the police station or city hall? That way you would have to go down there and ask -- that might discourage yahoos from looking up people to kill on teh internets ...
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 20:35 Post subject: |
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It is available at city hall and the police station and was long before the internet and computers were available for most people. Publicly registering as a sex offender is not something new just the fact that those public records are more readily available is.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 20:40 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | What would be the difference if the registry was at say the police station or city hall? That way you would have to go down there and ask -- that might discourage yahoos from looking up people to kill on teh internets ... |
But they can still go to their local station and look up the registry. Not much of a difference, if someone really wants to hunt down a child molester. It won't stop them from just because the registry is not online anymore.
I think this ten year rule Esel mentioned is pretty good. Lots you have posted that people can change, and that is true. But then they come out of jail they still have to prove that they changed, they have to prove that they can start over again and live a normal life.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 20:46 Post subject: |
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If you abuse a child, then there's something seriously worng with your head.
NOTHING is going to change that. It's not like your judgement was imparied that day or something.
| mYslead wrote: | | yeah a canadian used the site to kill 2 sex offenders. |
Yay...Result.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 20:53 Post subject: |
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| beeno wrote: | If you abuse a child, then there's something seriously worng with your head.
NOTHING is going to change that. It's not like your judgement was imparied that day or something.
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You have heard of drugs before, right? Not saying thats an excuse, but I think drugs are behind about 50% of crime.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 21:07 Post subject: |
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Well drugs never made me sexually abuse anyone. And I've been in some right fucked-up states.
It's generally the defense lawyers that bring drugs into it. "Oh, my client didn't know what he was doing, he was smashed that day. Drugs made him do it."
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 21:10 Post subject: |
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| whoKnows wrote: | | nouseforaname wrote: | | What would be the difference if the registry was at say the police station or city hall? That way you would have to go down there and ask -- that might discourage yahoos from looking up people to kill on teh internets ... |
But they can still go to their local station and look up the registry. Not much of a difference, if someone really wants to hunt down a child molester. It won't stop them from just because the registry is not online anymore.
I think this ten year rule Esel mentioned is pretty good. Lots you have posted that people can change, and that is true. But then they come out of jail they still have to prove that they changed, they have to prove that they can start over again and live a normal life. |
Yeah, well at least they would know who was using the data and why -- maybe they would have to provide some kind of credentials that they actually live or are moving to the neighbourhood in question. If crazy pants from Canada had to jump through these hoops, I'm sure he wouldn't have killed those sick fucks and then himself.
You know, maybe if it was just serious offenses and they did have a national standard for the time it took to be removed (remember it's a known fact that the longer someone goes without re-offending, the less likely they are to re-offend) -- then I could possibly stomach it better.
Although, they have this thing because of public outcry, and it's probably one of the few times that the US Govt actually listens to public opinion 
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 21:17 Post subject: |
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It sounds to me like he was gonna kill himself. But he thought he would do the world a service before he went by removing a couple of turds that were floating in the gene pool.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 21:32 Post subject: |
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| beeno wrote: | Well drugs never made me sexually abuse anyone. And I've been in some right fucked-up states.
It's generally the defense lawyers that bring drugs into it. "Oh, my client didn't know what he was doing, he was smashed that day. Drugs made him do it." |
I'm not saying they will make you sexually abuse someone, just that if you already have a tendancy for these kind of acts, that you'll be more likely to commit them when under the influence of some sort of drug.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 21:38 Post subject: |
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Good, I dont mind that these fuckers have to live In fear of people hunting them down and killing/beating the shit outta them..
If you rape children, then you shouldnt get "a second chance", simple as that.
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Apr 2006 22:14 Post subject: |
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drugs and alcohol arent even a bit of an excuse.
if we see these as excuses, then where will the tolerance stop?
we ll be analyzing every psychopath´s past and forgiving him because his parents
abused him or he lived through a bad experience or whatever.
it just cant work like this.
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