They got their just desserts, which they should have gotten much sooner.
I'll have many fond memories of the original Dragon Age and the Mass Effect Trilogy until my dying days, but the people that made those are long gone. It's just a shame that those responsible for murdering the studio will never suffer consequences. The best we can hope for is that Bioware burning will serve as a warning to the others, but what are the odds of that? People never learn...
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at this stage nothing is learned, we will instead have companies trying to copy it, that's how weird it is... like the Bud Light disaster, they lost most of the customers due to their woke shit, directly they got copy-cats who tried to do the same, some wine company amongst others.
idiots in charge who are destructive, hateful and mentally unwell and they don't give a shit about consequences, and you can bet 100% they are female (or trans) and they weren't hired because they are good at what they do.
As said before, all old talent is long gone. Same goes for Rocksteady, which is probably next. Even developers like IO Interactive, which still makes good games, has no people from the original Hitman era left. These aren't small development teams anymore but big shells that are filled with hundreds of people that rotate and it all levels to the lowest common denominator.
Want good games like in the old times? Look out for smaller to medium sized teams with a low % of women.
funny how they said the new ME was in early development too, so in early development for like 5 years? okkkk. sounds reasonable and cheap. morons.
Wasn't DA: Origins in development for 6+ years? And they came up with that gameplay after all that time.
Bioware was never a fast moving studio nor was a studio that managed to deliver games that were good across the board. Both DA and ME had lackluster gameplay and gameplay adjesant features. They excelled at writing, world building, emotional impact and sex. The quality of these has been slowly degrading in the last decade due to the loss of the original talent which was never replenished.
tonizito wrote:
Much of it will be blamed on "muh wokeness", but this was just gross mismanagement (which also allowed the woke garbage) for the last ~10 years?
Pretty much this. Bioware was given a lot of independence. In fact one of the veteran managers confirmed this in an interview after leaving the company. They had everything and failed.
Thank jeebus this mismanagement only affected bioware and other devs like bethesda, obsidian, etc are clearly not- oh, wait
But after seeing their pathetic rallies outside the premises, it's still difficult for me to sympathize with the (mostly) wokémon employes that are cut out from adult daycare when the suits above the suits above the suits wake up and come crashing down like saaress asha did, sword in hand.
But todd and other departments heads should have rolled on the floor too... meh
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
Bioware was never a fast moving studio nor was a studio that managed to deliver games that were good across the board. Both DA and ME had lackluster gameplay and gameplay adjesant features. They excelled at writing, world building, emotional impact and sex. The quality of these has been slowly degrading in the last decade due to the loss of the original talent which was never replenished.
BG2 took 20 months and around 30 people. It's a 2D game so every character had to be animated again and again with new clothing items, holding a new weapon. Much more time consuming than 3D. It's a game that to this day holds up pretty well and that i can enjoy.
Its amazing what you can do, if you are passionate and have good people onboard who knows their shit.
Veilguard - 200 people and 9 years, and very few liked that game, it will never be seen as a classic, not even close. As for cost, $250 million+ vs BG2, around 2-5m and a classic, loved almost universally.
Hopefully this is just a way to get rid of the worthless activists, and decent devs get rehired under a new company name. But thats wishful thinking
I mean, we do see this kinda stuff occasionally. Fuse games are the former employees of criterion and even though I don't particularly agree with the rogue-like choice of Star Wars Racer, at least they continued doing what they can and put out a good product.
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
- Albert Camus
The games just sucked. Altho not so obvious but BG3 is woke af and just passed 1.5 billion dollars in sales. Apex Legends also has trans characters. The Last of Us 2 got shitted for Abby but in the end it's one of the best selling games. Others good games but not so known -Tell me Why and Celeste.
Maybe the ratio of bad woke games is bigger but it doesn't mean woke=broke.
The games just sucked. Altho not so obvious but BG3 is woke af and just passed 1.5 billion dollars in sales. Apex Legends also has trans characters. The Last of Us 2 got shitted for Abby but in the end it's one of the best selling games. Others good games but not so known -Tell me Why and Celeste.
Maybe the ratio of bad woke games is bigger but it doesn't mean woke=broke.
This guy gets it
If you think woke is the problem you are part of the problem, and no better than the people who think masculinity or sexy wahmen in games are a problem
Successfully brainwashed by some political ideology to think that something that is barely worth mentioning is some life threatening societal issue that the whole world hinges on
With the only motive to get you distracted from the real problems in this world
Let the middle class die, let us be ruled by oligarchs, let us lose all our rights, let us not own anything, let AI take all of our jobs and replace us
But damn that character is TRANS man, or a LESBIAN gear who talks to much!
Finished that game btw. It's just another Gears and, of course, in that game Marcus Fenix is a god who everyone looks up to while the new characters are mostly boring nobodies
But damn he can't be having feelings and fight next to a WOHMAN who is all depressed but kinda bossy and likes other wöman.
Shitty games will be shit, the studios that refuse to make anything else die, and that's all.
As if there was anyone left at Bioware from the good old days. Just a name at this point. Let it die. It already pretty much was.
But don't let that make you think you are on top of everything with open eyes seeing the real problems. If only, then there wouldn't be discussions on some who gives a fuck forum about who gives a fuck "issues" while the world is ending because of real issues.
BG3 is pretty woke but excellent and sold like Rockstar game
The games just sucked. Altho not so obvious but BG3 is woke af and just passed 1.5 billion dollars in sales. Apex Legends also has trans characters. The Last of Us 2 got shitted for Abby but in the end it's one of the best selling games. Others good games but not so known -Tell me Why and Celeste.
Maybe the ratio of bad woke games is bigger but it doesn't mean woke=broke.
Eh..... BG3 is ... is it woke? I don't know that it is. It has elements people call woke. It's just solid for what people want from dnd gameplay wise. The writing is just terrible either way, so to me its popularity is absurd.
Apex? No Idea? Did it start like that? Cause I doubt it, it's not like it's at the peak of popularity now and it's a multiplayer game.
The Last of Us 2 basically killed the franchise and then killed the tv show as well when it got to it. It was objectively a terrible followup with everything it did. it just sold cause people loved the first game, and tends to happen. Often times the worst game/movie up to that point will outsell the previously better one.
The fact your dragging games like Celeste in this where who the fuck plays that game for the story and characters? Also where was it advertised in the same retarded way that all the tripple A has been doing.
The problem with the whole woke thing isn't even what is woke in the game. That's just surface symptoms. When you become infected by activists as a studio you stop trying to make good games and everything gets warped by that mentality. Hiring, character design, dialogue even game-play mechanics. Everything becomes downstream from the ideology.
I think some of you on the forum think woke is "Oh there's a black character or a woman or oh no... it's the gay." That's just stupid and it was never it. Yeah I'm sure you can find people that call everything that. But you can see woke fairly easily in a game, and it's usually pushed in the marketing even. You can see it in the presentation in the writing, everywhere. It's pervasive.
The Last of Us 2 basically killed the franchise and then killed the tv show as well when it got to it. It was objectively a terrible followup with everything it did. it just sold cause people loved the first game, and tends to happen. Often times the worst game/movie up to that point will outsell the previously better one.
Just making stuff up now? Where is any proof that it killed the franchise? ND were making a Last of Us online game which was cancelled due to Sony's stupid live-service campaign failure, not because LOU is unpopular.
“The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion.”
- Albert Camus
Well you're going to see how it killed the franchise, when/if the next one comes out. Might not even happen since the bald woman space game will probably kill the studio when/if that comes out and if it's as horrible as it seems.
I don't know a single person that likes what they did with the narative in the second game, even people that like the game usually say they hated the story.
Now I'm sure you can find some, but as a rule it was very unpopular what they did.
The Last of Us 2 got shitted for Abby but in the end it's one of the best selling games.
Hmmmm did it really? Or were it's numbers (just like Horizon) grossly pumped up by including it bundled with a derpstation 4? Not against your overall argument BTW, only this specific example (well and Horizon too).
boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote:
i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then
We're already in the era of making our OWN games, and that will only expand... anyone can do it.
I'm on my third game, this time a party based old school RPG (turn based) using an updated version of the Doom engine, started today and i'm already quite far
The games just sucked. Altho not so obvious but BG3 is woke af and just passed 1.5 billion dollars in sales. Apex Legends also has trans characters. The Last of Us 2 got shitted for Abby but in the end it's one of the best selling games. Others good games but not so known -Tell me Why and Celeste.
Maybe the ratio of bad woke games is bigger but it doesn't mean woke=broke.
Your opinion (imo imo imo!) is just as simplified as the go woke, go broke argument.
BG3 was a huge hit. Apex was a huge hit. I think in both cases DESPITE them being woke. In BG3 you could completely skip the weird part, it was not shoved in your face. But you also have to take a look at the context - a super detailed, high quality DnD game arriving in a vacuum. Apex had woke characters, but it was not a part of the actual gameplay loop.
The Last of Us pt 2 is different. Critic score 93, user score 5.9. It was a bait and switch. I bought the game, and I didn't spoil it for myself, so I was shocked to play the muscular lady. I thought it was temporary, then I looked up how long this would take, and I realized the entire second part of the game. Was too late to refund, so I just felt tricked. I had no intention of playing "the other perspective". I was perfectly fine with playing the original perspective, I don't need subverted expectations, that is cheap shit. But TLOU2 is only a success according to critics.
And this feeds in to a broader narrative. Critics are going out of their way to hype shit games that support their politics. And people have had enough of it.
I mean Veilguard is an objectively horrible game on all fronts. Critic score 82, player score 40. These journos take us for idiots.
And here is a the reason, why go woke, go broke does in some way make complete sense. Hiring practices. When you hire based on diversity quotas (woke), you skip over talent, and your team goes to shit, so your company goes to shit.
Anyone, that has ever led a serious sized team in their lives (I have), knows how important culture is. The more people in the team, that shares a culture (work ethic, values, humor etc) the better the team works. Diverse teams (as prescribed by idiot HR departments) actaully perform worse and TRUST is lacking (because you can't shoot a harmless joke out of fear). I lead a medium sized team of mostly men, mostly the same age, politically completely incorrect guys, absolute masculine culture, very competitive loads of overtime, no HR department, and we all fucking love it, and are beating the competition year after year. We just focus in on work, not a single blue hair or complaining attitude in sight. This is how most companies used to be like, by the way. Diversity would ruin this in a couple of weeks. Diversity is the absolute worst thing, that could happen to a company. The only diversity you need is diversity of ideas. Old school (classical liberal, nowadays called conservative) monoculture + diversity of ideas + absolute free speech + competition = absolute best result, that crushes everything else.
Ohh bg3 wqs woke alright, but it wasnt in your face all the time, but it did piss me off occasionally. Gale for example kept making a move on my character multiple times after i said "im not gay, fuck off" then i get forced into a cringe stargazing scene where they sit awkwardly close and i believe i had to reject him again. Gay as fuck
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