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i'm tired of hearing all the news about israel/palestina.
Why don't we build a large wall around it, and chech them in about 5 years.
pffff.
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| Posted: Wed, 19th Jul 2006 22:03 Post subject: |
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| skidrow wrote: | i'm tired of hearing all the news about israel/palestina.
Why don't we build a large wall around it, and chech them in about 5 years.
pffff. |
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X_Dror
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 00:40 Post subject: |
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You need propably 50-150 years.
So all the propoganda they have been through will wash away.
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Demonium
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 05:32 Post subject: |
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You know what pisses me off? The constant bombardment of Lebonese civilian infrastructure...
This is a good example of the indisrcriminate bombing tactics used by Israel (all you had to do is watch CNN, CBC etc today to see what I mean...all those residental areas, with no hezbollah affiliation, were destroyed). I understood the bombings in the first few days of the conflict or as a response to rockets/missles fire from lebanon into israel. Now its gettin excessive.
But really, if your going to start beef, go all the way and send in ground troops, on a large scale, to secure these areas that aren't clearly known to be terrorist. Why risk killing a ton of civi's when 100 man squad could get it done.
Im assuming Israeli soldiers are better trained and equipped than hezbollah fighters.
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Leishar
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 11:09 Post subject: |
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And damn the EU for not doing a thing... We're missing some balls to react against Israel. I'm so fed up with all this. We are the US lapdance bitch. France, UK, Germany... all they do is talk talk talk! It's always like this! Why can't we sanction Israel for not respecting international laws?
Also, I wonder if US citizens would change their view on this subject if Israel accidently kills a few americans.
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 11:21 Post subject: |
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Yes, let's put an embargo on 'em. Let's use this guy:
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 11:40 Post subject: |
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You guys are craZY, the more muslims they kill the better.
Hornestly, jews are well spoken,they have excellent sientists, they like the west and they dont blow up trains or other shit. And they dont fucking riot over a stupid cartoon haha.
Millions of jews was killed by germans, do you ever hear about a jew blowing himself up in a german train? no.
In my country, immigrants (that means mostly ppl from Turkey, iran, iraq and other arab countries, wich also equal like 95% muslims) They are criminals, rapeing, killing stealing and other shit, you hear it every damn day in the news, and thats not bullshit. Yes there is good muslims who make pizza,and thats about it. They dont have any jobs, they suck the countrys wealthfare out for those who really need em. And on top of that the west send millions and millions of dollars in development aid to these very same arab countries. And still they burn our flags and blow us up in our own home.
And this post is not worse than your "nuke isreal" posts.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 11:51 Post subject: |
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| Leishar wrote: | | Also, I wonder if US citizens would change their view on this subject if Israel accidently kills a few americans. |
Actually, that has happened.
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 11:52 Post subject: |
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I had many pictures to choose from to describe you, fissesvin, I settled with this one:
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Leishar
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 12:11 Post subject: |
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| Praetori wrote: | | Leishar wrote: | | Also, I wonder if US citizens would change their view on this subject if Israel accidently kills a few americans. |
Actually, that has happened. |
Didn't know that.
fissesvin that's a dumb racist remark. You think only the muslims commit crimes in your country? Wake up and smell the coffee.
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 12:59 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | You know what pisses me off? The constant bombardment of Lebonese civilian infrastructure...
This is a good example of the indisrcriminate bombing tactics used by Israel (all you had to do is watch CNN, CBC etc today to see what I mean...all those residental areas, with no hezbollah affiliation, were destroyed). I understood the bombings in the first few days of the conflict or as a response to rockets/missles fire from lebanon into israel. Now its gettin excessive.
But really, if your going to start beef, go all the way and send in ground troops, on a large scale, to secure these areas that aren't clearly known to be terrorist. Why risk killing a ton of civi's when 100 man squad could get it done.
Im assuming Israeli soldiers are better trained and equipped than hezbollah fighters. |
Yeah, thats the worst part. Destroying the infrastructure that will make civilians suffer the most. Why even do that? Like the airport, bridges and shit, why why why?
Your last sentence is what makes me most angry is that Israel acts as the worst victim even though they have the superior military force. The others are just throwing rocks and sticks against the tanks.
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Nidhogg
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 13:32 Post subject: |
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Apparently it's all a planned stunt by the US and Israel. The bombing will continue for another week, and then Condi will come in for the "rescue". What the red herring is for I'm not really sure, but maybe it's for Bush using his veto yesterday to kill the law on stem cell research that was passed by the House and Senate. Who knows...
You can't really expect any less from a government that sacrifices 3000 of its own people to have the justification to invade several countries only for the oil. *shrug* So I guess 2-300 dead Lebanese are a "fair price" for the death of stem cell research.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 14:59 Post subject: |
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You know JAH created jews , they are elite people we are just their slaves  .We dont even mean anything to them , i mean christians , muslim , atheists , buddhists , etc. They have a right to invade wherever they want , they have a right to write '' we love you '' on missiles , they have a right to consider every muslim as a terrorist , they have a right to bombard the whole city to get rid of terrorists.
Hitler is proud of you now
edit : i still hate homosapiens , FUCK YOU ALL!
edit 2 : did you even realise , its not edited ?
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 15:06 Post subject: |
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| IpwnU wrote: | You know JAH created jews , they are elite people we are just their slaves .We dont even mean anything to them , i mean christians , muslim , atheists , buddhists , etc. They have a right to invade wherever they want , they have a right to write '' we love you '' on missiles , they have a right to consider every muslim as a terrorist , they have a right to bombard the whole city to get rid of terrorists.
Hitler is proud of you now
edit : i still hate homosapiens , FUCK YOU ALL!
edit 2 : did you even realise , its not edited ? |
Kneel before my overwhelming jew power you lousy christian.
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Leishar
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 15:08 Post subject: |
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That photo of the little girl is just sick... Nice education for the children.
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X_Dror
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 15:22 Post subject: |
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Bitch all you want. It wont change a thing.
When i read your posts i think to myself - "God these people have been into such a harsh propoganda".
But you are not the first that i see from sweden (kosmiq) that thinks that way. And your goverment seems to be aswell a very pro-islamic/arab goverment.Almost every swedish dude i've seen so far is very pro-arab, so i don't blame you... something is just fucked up with your goverment.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 15:24 Post subject: |
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| mark322 wrote: |
Kneel before my overwhelming jew power you lousy christian. |
oops
i am an atheist who laughs at fucking idiots killing each other for money and land piece , now please continue till your kind extintcs , so the peace will be set.
thanks.
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@ jewish dude yes we are all fucking idiots , we dont have brains , we let governments control us , we kill innoncent people and write '' we love you '' on missiles because government wants us to write. (!) we believe what we are supposed to believe , we read what we are supposed read , we obey what we are supposed obey , if my father says '' arabs are t3h sh1t'' i believe them without doubting , i dont need to learn who are arabs anyway ...
ps : i doubted my humanity when i saw some pictures of your ''bringin peace '' operation. Thanks for everything warheads , really thanks.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 15:36 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 15:39 Post subject: |
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| X_Dror wrote: | Bitch all you want. It wont change a thing.
When i read your posts i think to myself - "God these people have been into such a harsh propoganda".
But you are not the first that i see from sweden (kosmiq) that thinks that way. And your goverment seems to be aswell a very pro-islamic/arab goverment.Almost every swedish dude i've seen so far is very pro-arab, so i don't blame you... something is just fucked up with your goverment. |
well einstein once said: "Common sense is the amount of prejudices you collect until your 18th birthday."
That is true for us as it is for you. I respect your point of view, but i don't concur with it. So dont call a government fucked up only if it does not agree to your opinion. If you do that i think you'd have almost all of europe against you. And i dont think that was your intention.
Btw, that does not mean i endorse everything the european governments decide. Still i dont think there is nothing wrong with being pro-islamic (arab) as long as you are also pro-jewish, pro-buddhist, pro-christian ... these are not counterparts - they are complementary. Openmindedness is the key.
Maybe you dont care about that. But i believe in freedom of opinion.
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X_Dror
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 16:01 Post subject: |
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Ofcourse, everyone has it's right to express his opinion aslong as it doesn't harm others.
As i said, you can bitch all you want, but it wont change a things, especially when you have such an extreme opinions (in general, not you specifically)
I've seen the Swedish goverment doing a lot of things that are specifically against israel.
For example, it provides shelter for world recognized terrorists, i don't know how the education system works there but it seems that a lot of swedish dudes were all taught to hate israel and it's citizens. And i've seen it alot, and not just in this forum.
All this religion crap for example is really stupid. You guys think that we are all religious here, but it's a total lie. The orthodox religious dudes here in israel, doesn't even vote for the right wings/left wings parties, they vote for the economical religious party that only cares about how much money they will get from the goverment.
The ones who fight and makes all the military decisions are mostly non-religious dudes. And the current party who runes all the militray actions in gaza and lebanon, is considered by alot of the people here for a leftist party. So you can cut the crap about all the religion shit here, because barely anything we do here relies on our religion or etc...
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 16:11 Post subject: |
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I think youre referring to my 3rd paragraph ... that was more like an example ...
usually i dont care about peoples religious views in a matter of forming an opinion about them.
It was more about being open minded to isreali (?) and arab opinions - and as a responsible citizen - you should form your own opinion of matters.
In return to your example probiding shelter to "world recognized" terrorist. Would you care to explain that - because imho if these terrorists were really WORLD recognized - i would not make any sense to sweden to take them in. World means all nations, people and not only Amercia recognizes them as terrorists.
For a conclusion: Whats the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist ? The Point of View.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 16:40 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | For a conclusion: Whats the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist ? The Point of View |
That`s right...
As long as you wear a uniform and have the weapons to bomb without bringing yourself in danger you can kill whomever you want - but if you don`t wear a uniform and blow yourself up - that must indeed be a terrorist...
that`s pretty harsh - but that`s just how it seems to work.
The ones in power are always correct...
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 17:06 Post subject: |
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"One Man's Terrorist Is Another Man's Freedom Fighter"
"History is written by the winners"
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 17:11 Post subject: |
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Its nothing aboutn education, we're not raised from childhood to hate israel or be "pro-arabic" as you so nicely say it.
You say I am all into propaganda and shit, lets face facts here. You are born and lives in the country that wages war against the palestinians/arabs/whatever. Who will get the most propaganda fed to him? You or me? I clearly see the answer to that.
Further on, I do not hate israel or like arabs more than jews. It is about what I see on the news, read about the conflict, looking at the past of the peoples and considering the situation as it is now.
I consider myself open-minded and I do not condone the acts of terrorist actions, HOWEVER what israel does can also be considered as terrorist actions, simply on a much larger scale. However, I have seen many jews being ignorant and never seen beyond what the government thinks.
As for your statement that swedes are more anti-israel then other might be true in your eyes. IMO the rest of the world should critize all factions involved in the conflict more than they do now. Something MUST be done to avoid a full scale war that might come any time considering how unstable it is. But I will not deny that Olof Palme really fought for the sake of the palestinians and I totally agree with him on most points. However I think that all sides should be prepared to make sacrifices in order to bring peace to the region.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 17:21 Post subject: |
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We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year, running over the same old ground. What have we found? The same old fears. Wish you were here. |
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 17:49 Post subject: |
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| kosmiq wrote: | Its nothing aboutn education, we're not raised from childhood to hate israel or be "pro-arabic" as you so nicely say it.
You say I am all into propaganda and shit, lets face facts here. You are born and lives in the country that wages war against the palestinians/arabs/whatever. Who will get the most propaganda fed to him? You or me? I clearly see the answer to that.
Further on, I do not hate israel or like arabs more than jews. It is about what I see on the news, read about the conflict, looking at the past of the peoples and considering the situation as it is now.
I consider myself open-minded and I do not condone the acts of terrorist actions, HOWEVER what israel does can also be considered as terrorist actions, simply on a much larger scale. However, I have seen many jews being ignorant and never seen beyond what the government thinks.
As for your statement that swedes are more anti-israel then other might be true in your eyes. IMO the rest of the world should critize all factions involved in the conflict more than they do now. Something MUST be done to avoid a full scale war that might come any time considering how unstable it is. But I will not deny that Olof Palme really fought for the sake of the palestinians and I totally agree with him on most points. However I think that all sides should be prepared to make sacrifices in order to bring peace to the region. |
Sweden is the most anti-israeli country in Europe and the fact that most of the swedes choose to bitch about Israel while thinking they're open minded proves that your government and social groups succeed in their task.
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 17:55 Post subject: |
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Eh? I simply looks at facts here. Israel with superior firepower, not respecting international laws, occupying land that is not theirs to occupy claiming that it is to protect themselves from rocket attacks. Hmmm, ok... Smart way to expand the border.
Lets look at something else:
Killed Israelians so far: 24
People killed in libanon so far: 196
So lets see here, one israeli life is worth 24 foreign ones? IS IT?
You can not say that your opinion in this matter is unbiased as you are born in one of the countries involved in this. You can never claim that. As why we bitch about israel, why not if I might ask? I see plenty of reasons to do that, just read my posts and you'll see why.
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Jul 2006 18:08 Post subject: |
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| kosmiq wrote: | Eh? I simply looks at facts here. Israel with superior firepower, not respecting international laws, occupying land that is not theirs to occupy claiming that it is to protect themselves from rocket attacks. Hmmm, ok... Smart way to expand the border.
Lets look at something else:
Killed Israelians so far: 24
People killed in libanon so far: 196
So lets see here, one israeli life is worth 24 foreign ones? IS IT?
You can not say that your opinion in this matter is unbiased as you are born in one of the countries involved in this. You can never claim that. As why we bitch about israel, why not if I might ask? I see plenty of reasons to do that, just read my posts and you'll see why. |
You're logic is unacceptable. What do you want us to do? Shoot our own nuts so we would loose our advantage on our enemies and then we would have a more fair fight?
Israel IS protecting itself, lets not forget who started all this bullcrap by attacking Israel within its borders and now is a smartass by letting the suffering of the lebanese people continue by not releasing the soldiers nor admitting in his mistake.
Sweden proved itself in the past few years as a country that seeks for provocations against Israel, and there are numerous examples proving my claim. Your government and media show you what to think about Israel and you see it as a free thinking.
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