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 Posted: Tue, 25th Jul 2006 22:45 Post subject: You've gotta see this! |
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http://www.tvdata.ru/catalog.php?dir=11&did=365&lang=eng
| Quote: | Demikhov experiments
Chronicle about experiments of Vladimir Demikhov, a Soviet scientist who made the first transplantation of a dog’s heart in 1952. The experiment, aimed at finding ways of replacing portions of the human body lost through injury or disease, was pronounced Russia's "most successful".
In 1946 Demikhov replaced the whole heart-lungs complex of a dog without using the apparatus of artificial circulation of blood. In 1954 he conducted a revolutionary experiment, when created a two-headed dog by grafting a puppy's head to a full-grown pooch. Then scientists even observed the process of rejuvenation of the elder dog. Shown are the two dogs before the operation, Demikhov performing operations, the puppy's head lapping up water, demonstration of the dog on a scientists’ conference… |
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| Posted: Tue, 25th Jul 2006 23:54 Post subject: |
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Were the dogs muslims? If no then I don't care. I remember old russian movie call the 'dogs heart' this one kind of reminded it...
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kosmiq
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X_Dror
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 01:05 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 02:44 Post subject: |
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I think sometimes medical experimentation on animals is necessary if it is going to save lives.
I have a hard time excepting it when it comes to cosmetics. Do we really need to know what happens if one was to repeatedly drop nair hair remover into a rabbits eye.
My biggest problem is the care and treatment of these animals. Some of these dogs live in a box on a concrete floor without any interaction from people. They have all sorts of health problems that go untreated like skin infections, eye infections and rotten teeth. Use them to help find a cure but they should not be made to suffer unnecessarily.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 03:08 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | I think sometimes medical experimentation on animals is necessary if it is going to save lives.
I have a hard time excepting it when it comes to cosmetics. Do we really need to know what happens if one was to repeatedly drop nair hair remover into a rabbits eye.
My biggest problem is the care and treatment of these animals. Some of these dogs live in a box on a concrete floor without any interaction from people. They have all sorts of health problems that go untreated like skin infections, eye infections and rotten teeth. Use them to help find a cure but they should not be made to suffer unnecessarily. |
yes but I don't give a fuck about the dog. Do you know how many childeren die because they dont have enough to eat and drink? well screw the dogs imo... I would see people think about all those childeren. |
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deelix
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 03:52 Post subject: |
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I don’t think anything that feels (people, animals) should suffer. I certienly don’t place the life of a animal over any humans. If my family was starving I would pretty much feed them my dog if that was what I had to do.
Crash is right tho. Too many people turn a blind eye to the suffering of children.
@Deelix
Wait till you live in a shit area and that dogs keeps people from breaking in. LOL I opened the Front door without looking once and some guy stuck his foot into the door. Dog jumped up on him and scared the shit outta him. I got the door closed. Sometimes they have their uses.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 08:29 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | Dog jumped up on him and scared the shit outta him. I got the door closed. Sometimes they have their uses. |
I wish I had a guard Dog like that. My dogs are just to friendly and Happy.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 10:26 Post subject: |
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| DeviLee wrote: | | deelix wrote: | For once i agree with crash. Guess its because i don't have a dog (and i don't really like them..)  |
Me too. I'd kill a million of them to save a couple of human lives. They stink too. Cats are much better. |
you mean the fatcat right?
@PistolWhip don't smoke weed and shit where your dog is in the room  |
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Cohen
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 11:31 Post subject: |
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Sick bastard.
troll detected by SiN
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 12:59 Post subject: |
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Humans are animals too. Just because some of us (not by a long shot all of you) possess intelligence above that of a chimpansee, doesn't make your life worth more or less.
That is, from an evolutionary standpoint. If you are a member of a religion, I guess I can't blame you for thinking humans are worth more than animals.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 13:02 Post subject: |
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Would a bear think for a second to kill you if he could gain something from your death?
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 13:09 Post subject: |
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I never said I'd not kill an animal if I could gain something from it - I just don't believe that humans are not animals themselves.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 16:25 Post subject: |
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Well it depends how you look at it. If you look at it from a intelectual point of view then we are certainly no animals. We have religion, art, technology etc. something that animals don't have. If you look at it from a social/behavioural point of view we are the worst kind of animals you can imagine, we kill indiscriminately just because of blood lust and anger. We intentionaly torture others and that's something animals never do. So I wouldn't say we are animals because we are too different from them.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 19:30 Post subject: |
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| DeviLee wrote: | | Well it depends how you look at it. If you look at it from a intelectual point of view then we are certainly no animals. We have religion, art, technology etc. something that animals don't have. If you look at it from a social/behavioural point of view we are the worst kind of animals you can imagine, we kill indiscriminately just because of blood lust and anger. We intentionaly torture others and that's something animals never do. So I wouldn't say we are animals because we are too different from them. |
For the most part. Animals in unnatual situations like overcrowding can have destructive and antisocial behaviours too.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 20:43 Post subject: |
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I take it you haven't seen the program about it then, it was on in the UK.
Stranger than fiction - The first head transplant.
If you can find it to download I recommend it, although it's not for the faint of heart. It actually shows multiple surgical abominations, including the dog this thread is about. There were many experiments of this nature performed, including grafting a puppy to another dog at its waist, the younger dog had it's front legs on either side of the elder dogs head as it's torso sprouted from it's back. Then there is the full head transplant of a monkey, where they replaced the head of one with the head of another. Of course, as they severed the spine it was paralysed from the neck down. When the anesthetic wore off it was conscious, and would drink and look around, although blood kept flowing from it's nose.
They wanted to perform these experiments on humans. Believing they could graft the heads of important people onto younger bodies so that they could live longer. Or joining the circulatory system of aged VIP's onto that of children so it would rejuvinate them. Sick shit like that. But they found out one surgeon was intentionally poisoning terminally ill child patients to give them brain damage so that he could use their bodies in his experiments. He was stopped before he got too far fortunatly.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 20:51 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | I take it you haven't seen the program about it then, it was on in the UK.
Stranger than fiction - The first head transplant.
If you can find it to download I recommend it, although it's not for the faint of heart. It actually shows multiple surgical abominations, including the dog this thread is about. There were many experiments of this nature performed, including grafting a puppy to another dog at its waist, the younger dog had it's front legs on either side of the elder dogs head as it's torso sprouted from it's back. Then there is the full head transplant of a monkey, where they replaced the head of one with the head of another. Of course, as they severed the spine it was paralysed from the neck down. When the anesthetic wore off it was conscious, and would drink and look around, although blood kept flowing from it's nose.
They wanted to perform these experiments on humans. Believing they could graft the heads of important people onto younger bodies so that they could live longer. Or joining the circulatory system of aged VIP's onto that of children so it would rejuvinate them. Sick shit like that. But they found out one surgeon was intentionally poisoning terminally ill child patients to give them brain damage so that he could use their bodies in his experiments. He was stopped before he got too far fortunatly. |
That's just sick  |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 20:52 Post subject: |
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WTF is wrong with people.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 22:49 Post subject: |
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am i the only one here, who feels more sympathy for the animal, rather than for a human being ?
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 23:32 Post subject: |
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| numero wrote: | | am i the only one here, who feels more sympathy for the animal, rather than for a human being ? |
no, im the same way.
I can watch those Christian Kids Help Telethons, you know where they show the poverty stricken kids of africa and not shed a tear.
But those ones where they have sick little puppies and cats and talk about putting down dogs because they have no other choice because no one wants em....well, I cant watch those.
Animals are helpless and stupid (to a certain degree). Ppl have the skills to make their situation better...even if your some poor kid in africa.
Dont get me wrong, i feel bad for the kids but fuck, if they're ppl would stop killing, raping, fuckin each other to death, they wouldnt have to live a life of poverty. |
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 23:35 Post subject: |
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| numero wrote: | | am i the only one here, who feels more sympathy for the animal, rather than for a human being ? |
No you are not... Me too.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 23:42 Post subject: |
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I can be extremely empathetic when it comes to kids. Babies are completely foreign and scary tho. I just can’t stand to see anything suffer. I don’t even kill spiders (Only bees cuz they are evil) I believe in re-incarnation to a certain extent.
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 23:51 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | I can be extremely empathetic when it comes to kids. Babies are completely foreign and scary tho. I just can’t stand to see anything suffer. I don’t even kill spiders (Only bees cuz they are evil) I believe in re-incarnation to a certain extent. |
 Evil bees
Sorry, couldn't resist, anyway, i used torture ants when i was a kid (i did horrible horrible things  ), now i feel sorry for all those poor ants  |
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Wed, 26th Jul 2006 23:53 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | numero wrote: | | am i the only one here, who feels more sympathy for the animal, rather than for a human being ? |
no, im the same way.
I can watch those Christian Kids Help Telethons, you know where they show the poverty stricken kids of africa and not shed a tear.
But those ones where they have sick little puppies and cats and talk about putting down dogs because they have no other choice because no one wants em....well, I cant watch those.
Animals are helpless and stupid (to a certain degree). Ppl have the skills to make their situation better...even if your some poor kid in africa.
Dont get me wrong, i feel bad for the kids but fuck, if they're ppl would stop killing, raping, fuckin each other to death, they wouldnt have to live a life of poverty. |
Agree on that, animals suffering is some of the worst things IMO. I just can't stand it.
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| Posted: Thu, 27th Jul 2006 02:17 Post subject: |
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Jesus, I was watching this food program earlier tonight (Gordon Ramseys F word) and he raises his own pigs to provide food for his restaurant. So they did this little section about the conditions of pigs in the UK, and it wasn't too bad, they had little pens to run around in etc. Except we import 2/3 of our meat from europe, and over there the conditions are horrendus.
The worst part. They castrate them with no anaesthetic. They showed it on TV. It was horrific. Basically the guy held the piglet between his legs, grabbed it's balls, slit open it's scrotum with a hooked knife, squeezed the actual testicals out of the scrotum then just grabbed them and ripped them off by force, trailing the vas deferens. The piglet was obviously going mental the whole time and ejaculated blood and seminal fluid as it's reproductive organs were mangled.
It was fucking disgusting, put me off my dinner.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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