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Bigperm
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Location: Alberta,Canada
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| 2bad wrote: | im my last post on this matter......im tried...
its simple as that:
like u see at the grafs or tables there its alot of poor country that have oil and other resources .
im just say usa and europe are the ones who extract it and them they give like 10% to the country. all that just for helping that poor country.
they make themselfs good samaritans.
why they just dont help them make they oil plants!?
yep thats right their because the oil plant its at one country like angola but the plant its owned buy other rich country. so the graf you see that america buying all that oil they dont really buy it.... they just get it.... |
Ok, First. You dont have a clue on how Oil markets work. Your not even close.
Oil and gas companies invest money into theses nations buying or leasing land from either the Government (Crown) or private land owners (Freeholders) . These leases are contracts between either the company and the crown or freeholders. Each contain clasues for rentals and royalties.
There is no definite way to figure out if there is oil in the ground until you drill, Argue this all you want with Seismic and geology and you would still be wrong. FYI, i do Geophysics work. Comapnies are making million dollar guesses as to what may be there, even with all the science in the world its still a 50/50 guess.
So by your logic, say a company drills a multimillion dollar directional well and hits a dry hole. Should the government or the people of that nation pay the bill. I know your answer allready so dont bother answering.
Also, to find oil you need to do some science. Science through the forum of isocron mapping, sciesmic etc. Are you aware that the average sciesmic play costs upwards of 3-4 million dollars? So i guess the government should pay that bill as well. And this cost is just in research and development, with no garantee of making any money.
And now say the "Big Bad oil company" finds oil. Are you aware that in the contracts made to lease the land that was drilled on; contain royalty agreements. The average oil royalty gives the land owner 10-20% of the GROSS profits not the net. So the land owner is not responsible for any costs what so ever, and just recieves %100 profits. Then the governemtn takes there cut, another 10-20% GROSS. Now heres the real kicker. The avergae barrel of oil costs around $20 to produce.
So we have a $80 barrel of oil.
Land owner (Crown or freehold) takes $20, the government takes its $20, then there is production costs, another $20. And look, you left with $20. And we havent even began to start recovering drilling costs, Lease rentals, Sceismic costs, office overhead, employee salaries etc.
And you think they should get more money. Are you kidding me? Or are you just some scum sucking socialist that thinks they deserve something for nothing?
This is the way the world works. The ones who take the risks, reap the rewards (If there is any) and the ones who sit on the fence, bitch about how they deserve some of the rewards.
And by oil plants are you refering to refineries. Fuck that cost isnt even included.
Do some research next time eh. So you dont look like a complete fool.
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2bad
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Location: mars
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Sep 2006 23:14 Post subject: |
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LOL the US dollar is falling in general and yes that includes other countries. It is a global economy.
No I am not in College, finished.
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Portu
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Location: Hell
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Sep 2006 23:26 Post subject: |
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| Bigperm wrote: |
Ok, First. You dont have a clue on how Oil markets work...And you think they should get more money. Are you kidding me? Or are you just some scum sucking socialist that thinks they deserve something for nothing?
This is the way the world works. The ones who take the risks, reap the rewards (If there is any) and the ones who sit on the fence, bitch about how they deserve some of the rewards.
And by oil plants are you refering to refineries. Fuck that cost isnt even included.
Do some research next time eh. So you dont look like a complete fool. |
I’m probably an ignorant of how oil markets work, but if I know something is that in Iraq all the refineries were already working when the usa invaded it and the first thing usa did when got the control over irak was control the oil plants and control all the iraqian’s oil production! Let me remember you, but I guess you already know it cause you are an expert on oil markets, usa imports a large amount of oil from iraq and iraq has one of the most largest oil reserves in the world! Oh… of course they need to exploit it, guess what they were already doing it by themselves, so they could exchange barrels of oil for food, what a great deal to the usa.
Do some research next time eh. So you dont look like a complete fool
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2bad
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Location: mars
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Sep 2006 00:58 Post subject: |
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| Freakness wrote: | | alas.away wrote: | | It's really not important who has the most oil, what is important is the fact U.S.A. buys oil only from countries which they are at war with , and even that fact is insagnificant. We are not talking about oil, oil is change compared to the money war makes the U.S. |
Once again you are wrong. 1.Vietnam in an example, they dont have oil. 2.USA LOOSES money when they spend them on weapons/war. |
And once again you switch the topic - look at the wars NOW
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Sep 2006 04:43 Post subject: |
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| Portu wrote: | | Bigperm wrote: |
Ok, First. You dont have a clue on how Oil markets work...And you think they should get more money. Are you kidding me? Or are you just some scum sucking socialist that thinks they deserve something for nothing?
This is the way the world works. The ones who take the risks, reap the rewards (If there is any) and the ones who sit on the fence, bitch about how they deserve some of the rewards.
And by oil plants are you refering to refineries. Fuck that cost isnt even included.
Do some research next time eh. So you dont look like a complete fool. |
I’m probably an ignorant of how oil markets work, but if I know something is that in Iraq all the refineries were already working when the usa invaded it and the first thing usa did when got the control over irak was control the oil plants and control all the iraqian’s oil production! Let me remember you, but I guess you already know it cause you are an expert on oil markets, usa imports a large amount of oil from iraq and iraq has one of the most largest oil reserves in the world! Oh… of course they need to exploit it, guess what they were already doing it by themselves, so they could exchange barrels of oil for food, what a great deal to the usa.
Do some research next time eh. So you dont look like a complete fool |
Allegedly, the US took controll of the oil fields to prevent Saddam from setting fire to them which id think would cause an ecological disaster.
Oil is the new gold...next up is water... |
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kumkss
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Sep 2006 17:06 Post subject: Re: What a sick world we live in?! |
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kumkss
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Sep 2006 17:08 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | LOL the US dollar is falling in general and yes that includes other countries. It is a global economy.
No I am not in College, finished. |
Yeah, the "Gringos" got a dollar printing mashine who works nite and day.... obviously gonna fall.. its more or less a fake.
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Sep 2006 00:51 Post subject: |
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| kumkss wrote: | | pistolshrimp wrote: | LOL the US dollar is falling in general and yes that includes other countries. It is a global economy.
No I am not in College, finished. |
Yeah, the "Gringos" got a dollar printing mashine who works nite and day.... obviously gonna fall.. its more or less a fake. |
Well... that wasn't quite what I meant. The war is costing them a lot of money and it is being reflected in their dollar. It great shopping in the states now. Before it killed you with the exchange rate.
Gringo? is a cowboy right?
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kumkss
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Sep 2006 01:48 Post subject: |
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@pistol "Gringo" means here, generaly, someone who speaks english... it applies more to an american.
And yes, the war is costing them a lot of money, but afterall, is money that stays mostly in the same States.
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2bad
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WaldoJ
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Sep 2006 01:55 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | I win, you lose. Or Go fuck yourself. |
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Sep 2006 02:24 Post subject: |
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| kumkss wrote: | @pistol "Gringo" means here, generaly, someone who speaks english... it applies more to an american.
And yes, the war is costing them a lot of money, but afterall, is money that stays mostly in the same States. |
I don’t know if it does. They have foreign contracts with other countries. They aren’t manufacturing everything themselves are they? Maybe someone who actually knows something about this can post.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sat, 9th Sep 2006 18:57 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | kumkss wrote: | @pistol "Gringo" means here, generaly, someone who speaks english... it applies more to an american.
And yes, the war is costing them a lot of money, but afterall, is money that stays mostly in the same States. |
I don’t know if it does. They have foreign contracts with other countries. They aren’t manufacturing everything themselves are they? Maybe someone who actually knows something about this can post. |
From what ive read, what he's trying to say is true.
Certain american families and investors essentially invest in war. Through various organizations and companies who make war related machinery (tanks, guns, ammo, kevlar vests etc )
So, they may be paying 50 billion for more tanks and such but that goes primarily into the hands of american and saudi investors. The Saudi's account for 7% of American foreign investors
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They are the true threat.
This is according to what i read and hear, I dunno if im 100% correct |
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