Gothic III
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heckknow




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 05:32    Post subject:
i've spent more time trying to coax the vc8clone version to run then only to find it crashes/freezes after all that work. Using razor's update1 crack on the german-converted-to-english-version-with-euro-patch is tons better.

The out of memory error when trying to save is still present in razor's cracked version. I've had it happen to me three times. The first time after visiting every town/city (20+ hrs; before applying razor's patch). The second time after starting over from the beginning (4 hrs). And finally the third time after starting over once again (2+ hrs). I'm just a little fumed. Sure, I've saved multiple times, but it the pause to save takes so long.

Whenever it gives me the memory error on save, the save game is corrupted (thus the aforementioned list of hours lost and doing over and lost once more). I've also noticed that the game process eats up over 1.3 GB of RAM whenever this occurs.

I was perusing the g3.ini and recall seeing several settings like Render.MeshLoDQuality set to UltraHigh. The comment said UltraHigh uses highest quality mode and needs 512 MB gfx RAM and 1 GB system RAM. Doh! On my fourth do-over, I have changed all of the settings from using UltraHigh to just High. Hopefully, this will fix the memory error on save issue. Anyone else encountered this problem and have the same UltraHigh setting in their g3.ini?
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Krest




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 05:44    Post subject:
Thats exactly what im saying sYn, it can be great but only with a big fat patch, that rebalances a lot of stuff. I havent been to any major city yet, but the one i visited didnt feel alive either. I went to hunt and then brought some stuff to sell it looked exactly like it was when i left, the people who were talking, were still talkign to the exactly same person. The blacksmith just went back and forth from his house to anvil, and most of the rebels were just doing nothing. Lol at least in oblivion NPC were walking around.


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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 06:21    Post subject:
[sYn] wrote:
Not sure if this has been meantioned yet.. but is only me... or do the NPC's never sleep? infact, I never see them do anything other than sit where they are supposed to sit.. the odd 1 or 2 walking around from one spot to another.. but thats about :\.. How is that better than Oblivion Neutral?


It is actually less apparent in this then it was in the previous Gothics. But there are lots of NPC's who sleep, there are also a fair few who don't seem to.

I don't know how you could have missed it to be honest, go anywhere at night and wonder into a house and you'll get lots of grumbling as people are woken up.

Just go to the second town (not the one you start it, the one with the lighthouse) and there will be slaves working throughout the day. Go there at night at they'll all be sleeping in their little crappy shack thing. You're obviously not looking hard enough.


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cripterion




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 06:38    Post subject:
Well imo gothic 2 was a heck lot better than this one ofr it's time and even now, I even prefer the gfx, and the whole engine alltogether. Physics in this one are a joke, combat is buggy, even walking around is buggy (sometimes your character just won't go up the stairs so you have to jump like an idiot).

I took a town recently near gotha (huge town going up a hill) with many orcs, i killed like crazy and went kinda far in the town and got lots of xp all the sudden cause i captured the town, then rebels popped up instantly (which is quite lame) and I don't know why but even though they were green they started to ask me to get out of there, and attacked me (so much for liberating the town) so I ended up fighting the people I just fought for...

Story is not that good either, like some people say, you meet key characters and they only have 3 lines of conversation for you (meeting the king is like, "hey you need to do this for me, now get the hell out of here") all in all it's just a sorry excuse for a game and no amount of patching will make it worthwile to me, so I'm just moving on.

PS : also pissed that i payed good money for this but hey, I think many people bought into the hype, but from now on, any title coming from those devs will definitely not get my attention.
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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 07:03    Post subject:
If the program only want's to update after you start it try to run Gothic3.exe directly instead of the shortcut, seems they added some extra info in the shortcut that runs the updater first. (Shortcut may point to Kupdate.exe first wich is the updater program)


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Flark




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 07:17    Post subject:
You can choose if you wan't the game to check for updates when you install the game.
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hawat




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 07:58    Post subject: Begining
Hi,

Could anyone describe in a few words the begining of the game? I've got a very fast start, -> intro and directly after that I was in the middle of a fight with the Orcs. Is the game really starting that fast or is it a bug?

Thank you...
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Flark




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 07:59    Post subject:
thats the beginning.
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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 08:04    Post subject:
Watch the intro movie, it will explain it.
(The Orc's have won the war against king Rhobar and taken controll - for now.)
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hawat




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 08:29    Post subject: To fast to simple
Thank you.

Than I find the begining, not bad but a little to fast. I would prefere at least some seconds more of intro warning you of the fight and even better some seconds in game to get used to the interface. And no chance to negociate with the Orcs Wink Maybe get on thier side and share some of their power, as a good traitor to the human race.Wink

The way it started I did not have even the time to look at the messages the game sent you to help you start. With the orcs attacking you and people around you. My body count was high 4 human slaves. Is there a way to do better or do they die anyway? Does it matters?

Found the combat system a little bit to simple (not especially to easy, just not enough options), for the moment it seems to me that you can only hit or block and blocking is not usefull. Even if in Oblivion it was too simpe also, still there was the aspect that getting blocked could get you in some trouble (you got slowed down) so you had to time you attacs (not just smash as fast a possible), and you had to parry (because you could get stuned).

I am only at the begining of the game so don't know if this is true but, it's the impression I get. What do you think?
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BaronOfHell




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 09:41    Post subject:
Has anyone noticed that the game runs a lot better on high settings than low?
Or is it just me showing signs of early senility? Sad
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hawat




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 11:35    Post subject: You are right.
You are not the first one to reports this, looks strange. But then again, it's only for the better. Personnaly I can't confrim this, but I'll give it a try.
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Banned



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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 12:13    Post subject:
Game crashes all the time for me. I use the german "Gothic.III.GERMAN.REPACK-Pravetz" release which apparently uses the same crack as the Razor release.
OS ist Win2k, so maybe thats a problem. Will try it on my notebook which got WinXP ...
Greetz
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pcm




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 12:27    Post subject:
to |m0uSe| :
[NUKE] Gothic.III.GERMAN.REPACK-Pravetz reason: bad.crack.access.violation.in.engine.dll.at.001b.3016c233
so that could be the problem...
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Surray




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 12:45    Post subject:
just get any release like the stoned thing or the very first non-working alcohol clone and get the crack of the razor release, works fine.


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poullou




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 12:58    Post subject:
Just started the game and I get the shadows bug: I can see through dark shadows what's behind and the extension of the world behind the buildings. I know you mentioned it before but could someone help me how to fix this?
Thanks!


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Vladi




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 13:26    Post subject:
damm i sold all my stuff to get money
and i didnt get any money for the sell
another annoying bug Sad
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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 13:31    Post subject:
Did you balance the value of the items with the merchants gold/items?
(Or did you just sell your own items for nothing in return?)
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Vladi




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 13:35    Post subject:
i just sell him with nothing in return
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Smurf_mE




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 14:02    Post subject:
can someone write here how to change the language from German to ENG (text only)?!


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maxiepaxie




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 14:06    Post subject:
Vladi wrote:
i just sell him with nothing in return

There's a Balance button in the center, gives you the gold they think it's "worth".

I must say I'm starting to love this game, although some things (Lizard and Wild Boars) come to my mind, how can you win if you get hit once and get raped by those animals on the floor?
Also having the stutter thing, everytime I cross an imaginary border it loads and slows down for a while. Also about the saving, do they call that QUICKsaving? Takes 20s here at least, same with loading (or quickloading).
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Vladi




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 14:09    Post subject:
hope they will release patch soon for this things
cause the game itself great
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deelix
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 14:56    Post subject:
@maxie, same with the first game as i can remember. Not quite fast saving Razz
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AnimalMother




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 15:05    Post subject:
I'm not sure which Gothic I like the best, but this is good enough that i'm really enjoying playing it. It's just that there are certain things they changed which didn't need changing that have now turned out worse.


"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D

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ThunderStrike




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 15:17    Post subject:
Smurf_mE wrote:
can someone write here how to change the language from German to ENG (text only)?!


goto my documents/gothic 3 and then UserOptions.ini, change both VoiceLanguage=German
SubtitleLanguage=German

that is if you have the english clone..

on a side note, they should fix the damn wildlife
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zerstorer




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 15:55    Post subject:
Ok i have one question is the razor release multilanguage or not
because i need it in german and if it is can i choose the language by the installation
Please anaswer as fast as possible
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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 16:03    Post subject:
Only a Speech_English.pak file in Razor's release, unsure about text though.
(Assuming the pak file only includes sound files and not any text information)
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dominae
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 16:04    Post subject:
I think it's a good game. But like many people say; it's unpolished.


I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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Weedo




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 16:33    Post subject:
The game is unplayable with 1 GB RAM. There's constant HDD activity and stuttering and every few steps it completely halts for a few seconds. My system is very clean and optimized and has the newest drivers. That's really disappointing! Sad
Gothic 3 may have the better gameplay but the technology in it's current state is far worse than Oblivion's. Maybe they will improve it with some more patches but I guess I will have to wait until I have 2 GB RAM some day.
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mighty_fc
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Oct 2006 17:24    Post subject:
runnin this on all max settings sm3 4xaa 4xaf max quality textures everything on absolute max, only in 1024 tho cause of my sucky monitor only supporting shitty refresh rates, and its smooth as hell, not even a sign of stuttering

all this on a simple 7900gt ,2gb ram,amd64 3200 (mildly oc'd), nforce4 board ofcourse, usin 5.1 sound with a audigy2

so im puzzled why some peeps say it runs so bad ? and the looks is so amazing its unreal, i believe at all max it even beats the crap outta oblivion by looks as its way more realistic nature, groundtextures,woodland buildup and so on
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