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SycoShaman
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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 01:48    Post subject:
CobbMk2 wrote:
They're 100mg pills as opposed to the 50mg ones you can buy. So providing the ingredients are distributed evenly throughout the pill, half should do


But the pill is mixed together as a whole. Its not meant to be takin in halfs.

I was told this by a doctor...never split pills and shit like that. Its dangerous. Even tho its only viagra, something bad may happen. Heart attacks and shit are known to occur


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PostPosted: Fri, 3rd Nov 2006 12:13    Post subject:
SycoShaman wrote:
I was told this by a doctor...never split pills and shit like that. Its dangerous. Even tho its only viagra, something bad may happen. Heart attacks and shit are known to occur

You can split pills in half as long as you know what you are doing. However, you should never MASH pills, as most of them are supposed to be digested by your body in special ways. If you mash them up, you might get parts of them in your lung or they might loose their effect before they are digested, and so on.


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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Nov 2006 12:45    Post subject:
Man its better to have erections problems then to come too early. so when you do it you better think abot not coming too early then about your erection problem. This will work.


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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Nov 2006 13:20    Post subject: Re: Viagra
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So who here has tried Viagra (or equivalent) and what's it like?
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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Nov 2006 14:50    Post subject:
MarS77 wrote:
Man its better to have erections problems then to come too early. so when you do it you better think abot not coming too early then about your erection problem. This will work.


LOl, no it's not. You can just wrap it up if you want to delay orgasm. Besides, if you think the only way you can satisfy a women is with your dick then you have alot to learn.

Not being able to get it up though, that can be a problem.


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PostPosted: Sat, 4th Nov 2006 22:04    Post subject:
I think that stuff is over perscribed.

If a guy can't get it up there is a reason why.

Medical reason, like a heart condition
medication
Emotional like bad nerves or too worried.
illegal drugs give you limp dick
Ugly girl?


I think guys should try to find the root of the problem and go from there instead of popping pills.
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PostPosted: Sun, 5th Nov 2006 20:55    Post subject:
pistolshrimp wrote:
I think that stuff is over perscribed.

If a guy can't get it up there is a reason why.

Medical reason, like a heart condition
medication
Emotional like bad nerves or too worried.
illegal drugs give you limp dick
Ugly girl?


I think guys should try to find the root of the problem and go from there instead of popping pills.
I'm confused by your post .. why did you state medication could cause floppyness .. & then followed it with illegal drugs .. do you see these things as different .. seems to me a drug is a drug .. whether you get it from your corner shop .. doctor or an underground dealer ..

Everything from .. not eating enough, to too much coffee can cause a mans body to feel ill inclined to procreate ..


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 04:36    Post subject:
Your post makes no sence to me. All drugs are different. Sad

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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 17:14    Post subject:
I just hate BS distinctions between pharmaceuticals & natural remedies .. in my book I would rather use something I can grow in my own home to treat ailments .. than use some nasty synthetic pharmaceutical ..

I don't give a sh!t if pharmaceutical solutions are legal .. & natural solutions are illegal .. I know why the natural solutions are illegal .. & its got phuck all to do with protecting peoples health & wellbeing ..


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 17:45    Post subject:
Most illegal drugs have minimal medicinal value (cannabis aside). Unless you use shrooms to cure your headache. Laughing


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 19:04    Post subject:
Problem is .. people being told not to do illigal drugs .. has nothing to do with wishing people to be healthy & happy .. & everything to do with corrupt money making policies that have been in place since the dawn of pharmaceuticals .. which coincidently correlates with cannabis being illigalised .. Rolling Eyes .. the whole war on drugs .. is a racket .. designed to undermine natural remedies, natural alternatives to current staples & alternatives to currently monopolizing chemical industries .. the current chemical marketplace is utterly dependent on prohibition .. without it, people would have a choice Wink


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 19:27    Post subject:
@chin
What I was referring to were drugs like meth, crack, coke, heroin. When you are on them you can get it up but if you stop doing them it will effect your sexual performance for awhile. I think recovering addicts maybe don’t find sex as good or are not as interested in it.

Also alcohol, too much can cause limp dick.

I agree that pharmaceuticals is a racket.




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I did shrooms once I HATED them. I will take any headache any day over doing them.
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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 19:28    Post subject:
@chin

Well, there are certain illegal drugs which are just as damaging, and far more addictive then alcohol and how many lives does that wreck?

The only reason that alcohol and tobacco are legal is because they would be effectively impossible to ban seeing as they've been part of human culture since the dawn of society. Many of these illegal drugs were relatively new, or were'nt very widely distributed, so it's possible to ban them and keep a semblance of control.

I'm not really sure how I feel about drug use to be honest. When used responsibly, and treated with respect they can be a great way to relax and have a good time. Something I believe is integral to a healthy mental state. But I see so many people abusing them, so much drug related crime, such negative things can and do come from drugs that I wonder if the world would be a better place if recreational drugs didn't exist. When it comes down to it, like most things, it depends on the person, and thats not something you can regulate.


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 19:32    Post subject:
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@Am
I did shrooms once I HATED them. I will take any headache any day over doing them.


There are many, many things which can affect whether you have a good time on shrooms. But generally I don't really like halucinogens anyway.


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 19:33    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
I'm not really sure how I feel about drug use to be honest. When used responsibly, and treated with respect they can be a great way to relax and have a good time. Something I believe is integral to a healthy mental state. But I see so many people abusing them, so much drug related crime, such negative things can and do come from drugs that I wonder if the world would be a better place if recreational drugs didn't exist. When it comes down to it, like most things, it depends on the person, and thats not something you can regulate.


most (violent) drug related crime is related to them being illegal Wink

Drug abuse is a health problem, not a criminal one Sad


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 19:38    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:
AnimalMother wrote:
I'm not really sure how I feel about drug use to be honest. When used responsibly, and treated with respect they can be a great way to relax and have a good time. Something I believe is integral to a healthy mental state. But I see so many people abusing them, so much drug related crime, such negative things can and do come from drugs that I wonder if the world would be a better place if recreational drugs didn't exist. When it comes down to it, like most things, it depends on the person, and thats not something you can regulate.


most (violent) drug related crime is related to them being illegal Wink

Drug abuse is a health problem, not a criminal one


How much alcohol related crime do we have? How much crime is there to fuel habits? These problems would exist whether or not the drugs were illegal.

Of course much is related to their illegal distrubution of drugs, but thats not what I was specifically referring to.

As for drug abuse, of course it can have a criminal element. Obviously an abuser can be violent while under the influence. Also, because they abuse a drug they're unlikely to have a steady job and hence to get their fix they need to get the money from somewhere. Usually these kind of people turn to crime, just because of the state they're in.


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 19:43    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
How much alcohol related crime do we have? How much crime is there to fuel habits? These problems would exist whether or not the drugs were illegal.

Of course much is related to their illegal distrubution of drugs, but thats not what I was specifically referring to.


fair enough, although I'd imagine crime related to distribution of drugs would account for almost all drug-related violent crime.


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As for drug abuse, of course it can have a criminal element. Obviously an abuser can be violent while under the influence. Also, because they abuse a drug they're unlikely to have a steady job and hence to get their fix they need to get the money from somewhere. Usually these kind of people turn to crime, just because of the state they're in.


I'd imagine there are many more incidents of violent crimes done by those under the influence of alcohol.

And if drugs weren't illegal, the price of these drugs would become substantially cheaper, thus no need to rip off old ladies for crack money Razz


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 19:51    Post subject:
AM .. what your not taking into account .. what the chemical monopoly is dependent on people not taking into account .. is what it was like before prohibition ..

I will be the first to say people are smoking in a disrespectful way to the plant & the person smoking .. most abuse of medicinal plants occurs as a result of cult popularity .. there were far fewer people catching a buzz before prohibition than after .. over alcohol prohibition .. drinking became more popular than ever ..

The entire market in killer drugs like the ones pistol mentoned is dependant on prohabition .. without it the trade would dwindle becouse peopel dont want to anounce ther stupidity like that .. they need it to be illigal .. need it to be socially unacceptable ..

When substances are socially acceptable & your granny suggests you do some for an ailment .. the market is small .. no more recreational use .. only medicinal use .. its only recreational because its illigal .. & thats what we do when we want to rebel & do shit thats not socially acceptable .. we break the law .. & we are afforded with ways of doing this that supports corruption quite nicely ..

Make no mistake the underground market is just as controlled as the open market .. the violent crime that occurs as a result of it .. serves as justification for all the money spent on the "war on drugs" .. keeping people afraid of drug related crime .. is big big business .. where’s the market for security if everyone is already secure Wink


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 19:55    Post subject:
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I'd imagine there are many more incidents of violent crimes done by those under the influence of alcohol.



Why do you think that is? It's because alcohol is legal and alot more prevalent then any illegal drugs bar cannabis.

Chin, what you're not taking into accout is that the ease of distribution is far greater now, let alone the fact that some illegal drugs didn't even exist before prohibition. If someone wanted to take a drug back then, there had to be a fairly local source. Now, if a drug is legal, you can get them anywhere in the world (almost). Such is the beauty of the internet.


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 20:03    Post subject:
AnimalMother wrote:
nouseforaname wrote:


I'd imagine there are many more incidents of violent crimes done by those under the influence of alcohol.



Why do you think that is? It's because alcohol is legal and alot more prevalent then any illegal drugs bar cannabis.


Yes, and it would stay that way even if all drugs were completely legal.

Do you think that if say heroin was legal, all of a sudden everyone would be an addict? I doubt it. The choice to abuse drugs happens independently of the law/availability for the most part.


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 20:10    Post subject:
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Do you think that if say heroin was legal, all of a sudden everyone would be an addict? I doubt it. The choice to abuse drugs happens independently of the law/availability for the most part.


I can say the use would certainly rise, and along with that the abuse. I'm sure there are lots of young adults who would be willing to try what are currently illegal drugs if they were made legal and if they could order them from the internet lets say. No-one wants to go to jail for a 3 hour high.

I know enough people in my univesity are like that. You use heroin as an example because it best serves your purpose, most people regard it as one of the worst drugs when it comes to potential for abuse. But there are lots of other illegal drugs whose use would certainly rise. Give it time and who know what their popularity could be.


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Point is .. without criminal organizations, private enterprise could not meet the demand .. common use would dwindle dramatically .. the product wouldn't be getting moved or produced .. remember .. expensive drugs are like gold .. diamonds or any other expensive commodity .. bribery & corruption are dependent on easily exchanged commodities that can be moved in bulk for big cash layout .. & hardcore drugs fit the bill better than diamonds .. diamonds have to be bought Wink


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 20:21    Post subject:
Chinup, have you heard of legal highs? They're basically MDMA and amphetimine substitutes, which were rather rapidly gaining populatriy since their release. Though they're now being made illegal. Private enterprise can meet the demand just fine.


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 22:15    Post subject:
Whatever .. you believe that the market would be there for those things if the illigal market wasn't ? .. the illigal drug market is set up for us .. if it wasn't illigal there would be no custom .. most folks don't even know why they took what they took when they take it .. its all about the run around & illegality of the exercise .. without that people would have to actually have a reason to procure a supply ..


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PostPosted: Mon, 6th Nov 2006 23:05    Post subject:
As I just proved by citing legal highs as an example, you're wrong about that. I'm sure thats the reasoning behind some of the illigal drug taking, but certainly not the majority.

But I suppose it's easier to just ignore the evidence you don't agree with.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Nov 2006 00:14    Post subject:
Perhaps I'm being dim .. please explain how these products would still flow without an illegal drug market to flow in ?


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Nov 2006 01:07    Post subject:
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Perhaps I'm being dim .. please explain how these products would still flow without an illegal drug market to flow in ?


If they were made legal, then they would be manufactured by any number of small pharmaceutical companies.

Check out this site: (on second thought i'll PM it to you.)

They manufacture their own products and distribute them through the internet and select shops. You can walk into a shop and buy them as long as you're 18, although as I said they're phasing them out now because the chemicals are pretty hardcore.

Many people began to take them instead of their usual doses of Ectasy or Speed at a club just because they knew exactly what they were getting. This in turn encouraged people wh had never considered illegal drugs to experiment. I myself have bought some from a shop, and let me tell you, they are the real deal.

I think this is the same thing that would happen if the currently illegal drugs were made legal.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Nov 2006 01:59    Post subject:
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If they were made legal, then they would be manufactured by any number of small pharmaceutical companies.

Check out this site: (on second thought i'll PM it to you.)

They manufacture their own products and distribute them through the internet and select shops. You can walk into a shop and buy them as long as you're 18, although as I said they're phasing them out now because the chemicals are pretty hardcore.

Many people began to take them instead of their usual doses of Ectasy or Speed at a club just because they knew exactly what they were getting. This in turn encouraged people wh had never considered illegal drugs to experiment. I myself have bought some from a shop, and let me tell you, they are the real deal.

I think this is the same thing that would happen if the currently illegal drugs were made legal.
I see the market you are speaking of .. yet cannot believe it would rival that of the illigal market if prohibition stopped ..

Its really imposable to tell .. unless you have a control environment for a period of years .. to see the effects of decriminalization ..

Plus expensive drugs are used for more than catching a buzz .. especially in large quantities .. moving it on the streets is what happens after .. Twisted Evil .. you cut that out of the crime loop .. much will have to change .. Cool like I said nobody calls the cops when someone steels ten grand’s worth of coke .. especially when it was meant to be a pay off .. smart criminals don't deal in cash they deal in people who they control ..


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Nov 2006 02:10    Post subject:
True. It might be better, or it might be worse. People with sense know how to moderate drug consumption, for them it wouldn't make much difference. But it's not those people i'd be worried about.

Let me just ask you this question: Do you think the positives of recreational drugs outweigh the negatives?

By recreational drugs I mean eveything legal and illegal.


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PostPosted: Tue, 7th Nov 2006 11:16    Post subject:
To tell you the truth I don't like the whole recreational drugs phenomena .. I genuinely feel its a creation of the drug war & thus a construct of those who wish to profit off of peoples discontent ..

You can have just as great of a time preparing a big meal with friends & playing some music after .. a little booze .. a little smoke perhaps .. if the conversations look like they are going to go on all night .. when I go out dancing I usually keep my stomach empty & drink copious amounts of water ..

The whole recreational drug thing is to my mind a parasitical market that latches onto peoples desire to socialize & let off some steam .. rendering the participants confused & broke ..

Any & all heavy stimulants need to be taken like medicine .. carefully dosed & done in a control environment .. any deviation from the carefully ritualistic use of these things only serves to confuse & pervert the essential purpose of the substance ..

I always thought it was retarded drinking cough medicine for kicks .. these substances are not for recreational use .. each has a purpose & a place .. mixing them with socializing is just a money making ploy IMO

SO to answer your question .. I don’t feel the positives of the substances can be properly made use of in a climate of recreational use .. taking a heavy stimulant for fun is plain silly IMO .. but taken before a days hike across dull terrain .. is clever .. Laughing


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