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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 01:17    Post subject:
Fuck how did u make it to 50 posts
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 01:17    Post subject:
-=Cartoon=- wrote:
Fuck how did u make it to 50 posts
By arguing with retards.
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 01:39    Post subject:
So...

Did they fix the AI or not?

Thats the only thing i give a damn about.


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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 01:43    Post subject:
JanosNL wrote:
-=Cartoon=- wrote:
Fuck how did u make it to 50 posts
By arguing with retards.


by acting like moron. JanosNL the king of the forums yoohoo with tough talk, if you dont buy it you cant complain is the way he thinks like sheep beehehehebeeeeeehehe. You still have alot to learn. Dont buy it, save some money and still complain to make sure other people who think the same as me dont fall for the same thing hahaha and if you dont like it put me on ignore see if i care. Talking about a right to talk or not to talk on this forum is a joke anyway, who cares about rights on nforce? isnt this site all about copyright infringement? huh? why would you come here with your legal obtained copy? fuck off please hypocritical shitbag.
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 01:49    Post subject:
-=Cartoon=- wrote:
woozap wrote:
absentic wrote:
Woozap is just bitter because it doesn't run on his computer. Ha ha! Pathetic.


1. It runs fine on my PC all on max. No need to show off specs because that is geeky.
2. About the reloaded hq shit, bwahaha. sucks to be you that you are still waiting for it i guess. I dont care what kind of leech acces other people have no need to show off mine. Lets just say i am on 20mbit and the pre was on 11:30CET.

To the others:
I have valid points everyone can bitch to me about it, but in the end my point is still a valid one. They took out some nice additions and god knows why? Because of the 2 year extra development time? Dont make me laugh. People who didnt like it didnt use it, and people who do like it like it because of the rpg elements in creating a dynasty which lasts the centuries, instead of just campaigning abit destroying/taking over a settlement there and here. Hey anyone know what year it is? oops its only turns this time around. Want your strongest son to be the heir? kill everyone in line before him. Like that would happen.

The information on France -->"The Baron Robbers of France, mighty Barons who made sure the King of France can't leave Ile de France at all blabla", but then when you conquer their lands you cant give titles away to your trusted generals in a totally FEUDAL europe? which was the case in those days? why do you think Generals did even fight for a king? for fun? For COINS AND LANDS no more no less.

Sorry for wanting abit of REALISM in my game. Realism which the Total War series became known off, now its just an "elephant equipped with cannons" kind of kiddy crap and its up to the community to make a decent game of it - like the rest of the game industry use to depend on the community nowadays.

Like paying for a Ferrari but you need to MOD the engine so it runs decent. Its all nice and shiney but doesnt run as smooth if you dont MOD the engine yourself. figurally speaking. Oh and the automatic car lighter has been taken out. Not alot of people smoke nowadays so we figured you dont need it either. Ye and sure we could have told that before you bought it but, heck why should we. Noone complained that it was in before so we figured noone complained if it is taken out.

I am not bitter at all in fact i am quiet happy i just think MTW 2 could have been more then it is now and if you lynch me for that go ahead, i dont care.


What are you talking bout ?? Rome was not realism.. not by a LONG SHOT.... i think u might have forgotten how the orig game was ... and only played the mods (shit i only played the mods once they came out)

Remember these guys

Remember how like 10 of them could kill about 50 people no problem ??

Rome Total War (Original) was a ultra unrealistic game...... mods made it what we really loved... Rome Total War : Realism and Europa Barborum(sp?)

+ u seem to be a very angry person :/


You emphasize on my saying that i expect it to be realistic but if you read carefully you see "abit of realism" this does not mean realism as in real because thats not possible virtually at this point in time. This is the last post i make on this topic because frankly i think i pointed out my troubles with the game and some people see it as flamebait just to raise their postcount (JanosNL the behehehe sheepy moron for example).

And no i am not an angry person per se, i just dont jump on the MTW 2 OWNS bandwagong simply because its obvious they went a few steps back in development from RTW. Now let this thread become the yay i love the game thread i am out.
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 02:48    Post subject:
Hahaha i love this thread already. Mario118 do us and yourself a favor and post your crap on your wussy little bt-site, it's not like we can magically figure out which of the several (i assume) torrents you are even talking about. Oh and editing all your posts into "Fu" is just super-awesome. You're a really cool guy. *clap clap*

And wtf is up with you limpbizk7t? "TURK LURAZZZ"? Oh really?

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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 02:51    Post subject:
blah! stop the spam.


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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 02:54    Post subject:
I dunno, I think that a highly trained and experienced gladiator could kill ten poorly armed peasants in the right circumstances. Have you not seen Sparticus ffs! Laughing


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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 03:32    Post subject:
Does anyone else have problems with the text in-game being blurry and for the most part impossible to read?
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 03:34    Post subject:
javlar wrote:
Hahaha i love this thread already. Mario118 do us and yourself a favor and post your crap on your wussy little bt-site, it's not like we can magically figure out which of the several (i assume) torrents you are even talking about. Oh and editing all your posts into "Fu" is just super-awesome. You're a really cool guy. *clap clap*

And wtf is up with you limpbizk7t? "TURK LURAZZZ"? Oh really?

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lol true dat
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lol true dat


Haha, love your sig and avatar Cartoon Smile

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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 06:05    Post subject:
This game sounds like a good grab. Thanks for the Mini reviews.
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 06:07    Post subject:
javlar wrote:
-=Cartoon=- wrote:
lol true dat


Haha, love your sig and avatar Cartoon Smile

QFT: Is Wayne Brady going to have to choke a bitch?

And btw, is that girl saying: Do you want to fuck me?

It's driving me nuts cause im not 100% sure that she's saying it Smile


*lets u hang on a bit longer*

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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 06:14    Post subject:
I heard The A.I piss easy could someone please confirm.
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 07:16    Post subject:
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Great game...

cant wait for MTW2 Realism 2 come out Very Happy

also

is it just me or does the full game seem to run better than the demo ??


Yeah, but i have STRONG memories of the demo's highest unit setting to completely disable all the sprites, so every unit no matter the distance is in full 3d, in this, the full game, the highest unit setting just increases the draw distance a tiny bit from the standard "High".


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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 14:06    Post subject:
woozap wrote:

To the others:
I have valid points everyone can bitch to me about it, but in the end my point is still a valid one. They took out some nice additions and god knows why? Because of the 2 year extra development time? Dont make me laugh. People who didnt like it didnt use it, and people who do like it like it because of the rpg elements in creating a dynasty which lasts the centuries, instead of just campaigning abit destroying/taking over a settlement there and here. Hey anyone know what year it is? oops its only turns this time around. Want your strongest son to be the heir? kill everyone in line before him. Like that would happen.

Learn some history maybe? Heritage was one of the most basic rules of the european medieval life. A king didnt choose his heir, it ALWAYS was his first son, even if that son was a mentally hindered psycho. Do you think France for example would have been such a loser in medieval ages if it wouldnt be for the series of morons called kings on the french throne?

You want role playing elements? Then role play the younger brother trying to get to the throne by sending some assassins after your heir. I hope you know how to do that. If you don't wanna lose your general over heritage issues, then im sorry. You are just stuck with the one who was born first.

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The information on France -->"The Baron Robbers of France, mighty Barons who made sure the King of France can't leave Ile de France at all blabla", but then when you conquer their lands you cant give titles away to your trusted generals in a totally FEUDAL europe? which was the case in those days? why do you think Generals did even fight for a king? for fun? For COINS AND LANDS no more no less.

I agree, that the title system in old medieval was nicely fitting the medieval age, and i hoped it would be included in medieval 2 as well. BUT: It was never said that it will be in the game, and the game can do without it. If the lack of it makes this game unplayable for you, then im sorry. Your loss.

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Sorry for wanting abit of REALISM in my game. Realism which the Total War series became known off, now its just an "elephant equipped with cannons" kind of kiddy crap and its up to the community to make a decent game of it - like the rest of the game industry use to depend on the community nowadays.

WHAT are you talking about exactly? The Vanilla TW games were never about realism. Hell Rome even had some real fantasy like units. TW games were about the engine in my eyes, and what you can do with it. For me, TW games are the MODs made by the community, built upon the incredibly powerful strategic and tactical games presented by CA. It was always this way, and i don't know what else you've expected that made you so upset.

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Like paying for a Ferrari but you need to MOD the engine so it runs decent. Its all nice and shiney but doesnt run as smooth if you dont MOD the engine yourself. figurally speaking. Oh and the automatic car lighter has been taken out. Not alot of people smoke nowadays so we figured you dont need it either. Ye and sure we could have told that before you bought it but, heck why should we. Noone complained that it was in before so we figured noone complained if it is taken out.

Mods, mods and again: MODS. And lets make something clear. You aint brought nothing dude, so better stop playing the angry customer, as you are not one. In fact you are little more than the angry crying kid, who has got the candy he wanted, but not in the flavuor he wanted.

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I am not bitter at all in fact i am quiet happy i just think MTW 2 could have been more then it is now and if you lynch me for that go ahead, i dont care.

Yeah, your posts all suggest how quite happy and content you are. And in all your happiness, you had to tell the whole world how the game SUCKs, because YOU dont like it. Or better even, you might like it, but its not up to your expectations.

Man.. i hope you see how arkward your 'valid points' sound.
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 14:13    Post subject:
cripterion wrote:
You guys have me worried talking about the bugs in the game and how it already needs some modding.

I will say once again : what's wrong with pc devs these days releasing beta versions of their game and counting on the community to repair their game??? Confused

Guild 2, Gothic 3, Nwn2 are buggy and from what I hear the new splinter cell too. All those being quite big titles (well except for the guild 2). They need to get their sh*t together Evil or Very Mad


Not quite. Developers make games that fit the mainstream gamer, the average joe. Not everyone is looking for hardcore realism. Some people - the majority of people i dare to say - are looking for a nice, enjoyable game they can play for a while.

There are the people like me for example, who prefer to go all realistic. These kind of people will create or use mods - if possible - to get what they want out of the game.
Instead of complaining why a company creates a game to fit the majority of players, we should be happy that they also make a game we can twist to fit our taste.

Positive thinking.
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 14:28    Post subject:
So just to tell about some REAL issues with the game, instead of the 'it isnt what i expected crap' from woozap, heres a quick summary of what i've found annoying up until now. Let me say in advance, that this will not stop me from playing the otherwise great game, but these will need some patching ASAP.

Merchants:
- Too much micromanagement for the income they bring

Diplomacy:
- You can't ask a nation to break alliance with someone
- If one of your enemies become allied with one of your allies ..
a) first, why on earth would my ally sign an alliance with my enemy?
.. the war between you and your enemy instantly / and automatically ends in a ceasefire ..
b) there you go, the easy way to get out of a war, ally yourself with the ally of your enemy.
.. If you declare war on a nation, allies you both have will chose the 'victim' to stay friendly with instead of the attacker, no matter how long you've been allied ...
c) say im allied for 100+ year with poland, and keep killing off the holy roman empire. They both become allied, making the war between me and the empire stop. Furthermore, if i redeclare the war, poland breaks our alliance, choosing the 1 year ally over the 100 year one.
d) same goes if you want to attack one of your allies. All the guys who are allied with both of you will choose the 'victim', no matter how the relations look like.

These are just a few of the most annoying things from the top of my head. At least these are actual issues, so if you want to keep bashing the game, do it for a reason, and not because it doesnt fits your taste, or desire for realism
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 19:56    Post subject:
for me this is what i just needed... i don't my mind the bugs ... they will be repaired anyway...anybody wanna play multi over hamachi? .... name : MTW2hamachi ; pass : 1234
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 20:40    Post subject:
csebal wrote:
cripterion wrote:
You guys have me worried talking about the bugs in the game and how it already needs some modding.

I will say once again : what's wrong with pc devs these days releasing beta versions of their game and counting on the community to repair their game??? Confused

Guild 2, Gothic 3, Nwn2 are buggy and from what I hear the new splinter cell too. All those being quite big titles (well except for the guild 2). They need to get their sh*t together Evil or Very Mad


Not quite. Developers make games that fit the mainstream gamer, the average joe. Not everyone is looking for hardcore realism. Some people - the majority of people i dare to say - are looking for a nice, enjoyable game they can play for a while.

There are the people like me for example, who prefer to go all realistic. These kind of people will create or use mods - if possible - to get what they want out of the game.
Instead of complaining why a company creates a game to fit the majority of players, we should be happy that they also make a game we can twist to fit our taste.

Positive thinking.


Csebal. did you even read his post?
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 20:59    Post subject:
Yet again an unfinished game released for money grabbing pay per play addons if this is the future count me out.
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 21:34    Post subject:
this game is not unfinished...god...
knights of the old republic 2 was unfinished
battlecruiser millenium was unfinished

medieval II is just not a perfect game
if you people have to keep looking at the problems and don't see the improvements then I feel sorry for you, because you're missing out.


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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Nov 2006 22:28    Post subject:
csebal wrote:
Learn some history maybe? Heritage was one of the most basic rules of the european medieval life. A king didnt choose his heir, it ALWAYS was his first son, even if that son was a mentally hindered psycho. Do you think France for example would have been such a loser in medieval ages if it wouldnt be for the series of morons called kings on the french throne?


Well i wont reply gameplaywise anymore because all what i wanted to say i had to say, but saying that i am talking bollocks history wise about the heir thing is incorrect.

There were alot of different laws used in those days.

First you had the Salic Premogeniture, all titles go to the oldest son and if he dies his oldest child. (France used this) no female inheritance

Then you had the Semi-salic Premogeniture, all titles go to the oldest son and if he dies to his oldest child, if he cant provide an heir the next oldest son in line has the claim (England, kings of Normandy used this one) - female inheritance, even a female traces inheritance to her oldest male child

Salic Consanguinity, all titles go to the STRONGEST son and if he cant provide the next strongest son. (was in use by Poland) and no female traces inheritance

Semi-salic Consanguinity, basically the same as above, but also a female traces inheritance, was in use by the kingdom of serbia / sicily.

Salic Gavelkind, all titles are equally divided to all male heirs (princedoms in russia)

Semi-Salic Gavelkind, all titles are equally divided to all male heirs even grandchildren heirs (duchy of Gwynedd current Wales)

Elective Law, the rightfull heir was the strongest vassal and he claimed the throne (empire of byzantium)

So dont lecture me on history if you dont know anything about it. This is only to point out that you should have the option to chose your heir. Nothing less, nothing more i do not expect something like this in Medieval before i get flamed about my geeky history reply. I only want an option to chose heir thats all. Sorry that i like to control the way my dynasty turns out and dont like to be pushed in how i should run things. But if you enjoy it fine.
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Nov 2006 00:37    Post subject:
Surray wrote:
this game is not unfinished...god...
knights of the old republic 2 was unfinished
battlecruiser millenium was unfinished

medieval II is just not a perfect game
if you people have to keep looking at the problems and don't see the improvements then I feel sorry for you, because you're missing out.


man my copy was still not delivered today better be here tommorrow play.com ors im boycotting you pre-order service as is fucking wank

is it me or does pre-ordering mean that if you pre-order a game you should get it 1st on the day of release ?
or does it mean something else i think it means the 1st 1
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Nov 2006 01:32    Post subject:
Bullcrap, between splinter cell 4 and Neverwinter nights 2 this game is the best I've seen lately. They took Rome Total War to a higher level. I love it!
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Nov 2006 01:59    Post subject:
I notice the AI is retarded when dealing with archers...their footsoldiers start rushing in, then a barrage of arrows comes in, then turn around, walk 5 steps, a bunch die to arrows, then they turn towards my army again and continue. When the next round of arrows comes they do the same thing, plus if I start moving my archers because they are getting close they once again stop dead in their tracks and get confused, going back and forth and just dieing like idiots.

Plus they cant manage ladders on walls, the troops bunch up at the bottom of the ladders and get stuck and then my game starts going from 15-25fps down to 1-2fps and basically locks up as these units go crazy in large bunches unable to move.
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Nov 2006 02:42    Post subject:
man cant stop playing this game.. so fucking awsome Very Happy

it has a few of the same annoying things that the ORIG RTW had.. eg battles seem a bit short etc

Ps for everyone before u start a campaign.. i urge you to slow the game down...

By default each turn = 2 years

Go Into descr_strat:

start_date 1080 summer
end_date 1530 winter
timescale 2.00

If you change the timescale to 1.00 then it will be 1 year per turn... also u can do 0.5 ... and have half a year per turn etc Wink
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Nov 2006 03:45    Post subject:
Jesus this game is so hard!!! I was controlling all France and they even elect me as the new pope (I managed to raid Jerusalem with a good crusade unit) and meanwhile those milan bastards and the holy roman empire turned on me and started taking my cities in full force (their army strenght is maxed :/) It's kinda crazy though, how come the holy roman empire would want to have a war with the faction who has the pope Confused Confused

I think I'm going to start all over from the start cause I'm now losing money and they will take my cities one by one (I could re-establish with my force in Jerusalem and start conquering there but takes time)

I'll restart and keep in mind not to take to many cities at once, just keeping a few ones here and there and making them real strong so I can advance later on. Probably going to pick the british too, France campaign is hard cause they hit you from everywhere!

What about you guys experience with the game so far?
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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Nov 2006 04:23    Post subject:
Great tip cartoon!!!!!
Playing at 1.0 now Very Happy
And it doesnt affect anything besides the actual turns left to the end (which i dont like, i like more endless stuff )
Tough does it affect how long til gunpowder is availible? It does right? if so its SUPER, because i just got gunpowder in my first campaign and its too early, i mean i want to have had 20-30 biiiiig battles before gunpowder, so you get used to all the catapults and shit first, not a rush to gunpowder
U deserve a hug \o/


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PostPosted: Sat, 11th Nov 2006 04:46    Post subject:
heh

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