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no it didn't...
the whole point of this girl appering on the show in the first place was to develop hiro's character (him getting a love interest and realizing that he can't save everyone) - this whole arc doesn't have any affect on the story as a whole.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 16:48 Post subject: |
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^^as WaldoJ said.
It also tells the story of patient zero, Sylar. I'm sorry, but you are out in the field liansk 
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 17:36 Post subject: |
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il try to explain it one last time using what little material wiki has to offer on the subject:
| Quote: | | Character development may sometimes be confused with the changing of a character's personality; however, this is one type of character development known as dynamic development. Static development refers to a character that is developed but left unchanged: this commonly is done with secondary characters in order to let that character serve as a thematic or plot element. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_development
the underlined part basically describes what charlie is - a secondary character, a plot device whose only propose is to develop hiro as a personality. if you REALLY think about you will understand that hiro's part in the story had zero progress since he entered the dine, his character on the other hand received a total makeover from a naive boy with a dream of becoming a hero in a perfect world to a mature , realistic man who know's his boundaries. same could be aplied to most of this episode. do you think that the fact that matt has dyslexia or that he met eden before is going to affect the story in any meaningful way?
again, im sorry if i didn't explain it well enough but trust me, im not making this stuff up.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 17:36 Post subject: |
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| liansk wrote: | if he really took the powers of all the people he killed the why is he using only telekinesis?
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If you actually watched it thats obviously not the case. He's unusually strong (lifted that girl off the ground easily with one arm, and knocked claire across the room with just a glancing blow), he's also exceptionally resistant to damage (he was shot earlier in the series and fell off the roof with peter yet got back up almost straight away). We also don't know what other cognitive abilities he has, although he probably has the total recall memory of that woman now.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 17:43 Post subject: |
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animalmother
don't think that im trying to prove you wrong (actually i too believe in that theory) but all of the stuff you mentioned can easily be explained as an advanced form of telekinesis:
1)"He's unusually strong.." - he lifted her with telekinesis and he's using his hand for better control/concentration (like cutting stuff with his finger).
2)"he's also exceptionally resistant to damage" - he blocked the bullets/fall with telekinesis.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 17:58 Post subject: |
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| liansk wrote: | animalmother
don't think that im trying to prove you wrong (actually i too believe in that theory) but all of the stuff you mentioned can easily be explained as an advanced form of telekinesis:
1)"He's unusually strong.." - he lifted her with telekinesis and he's using his hand for better control/concentration (like cutting stuff with his finger).
2)"he's also exceptionally resistant to damage" - he blocked the bullets/fall with telekinesis. |
Did it look like he blocked the fall with telekinesis? No it didn't, especially as peter was clinging on to him and he was splattered. As for the bullets, if he blocked them, he wouldn't have been knocked to the floor, he wasn't expecting it.
He hit claire across the room, thats plain to see.
Also his telekinesis isn't that powerful. The heaviest thing we've seen him manipulate is a locker door. It seems more of a utility then anything destructive at the moment.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 18:38 Post subject: |
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| liansk wrote: | ithe underlined part basically describes what charlie is - a secondary character, a plot device whose only propose is to develop hiro as a personality. if you REALLY think about you will understand that hiro's part in the story had zero progress since he entered the dine, his character on the other hand received a total makeover from a naive boy with a dream of becoming a hero in a perfect world to a mature , realistic man who know's his boundaries. same could be aplied to most of this episode. do you think that the fact that matt has dyslexia or that he met eden before is going to affect the story in any meaningful way?
again, im sorry if i didn't explain it well enough but trust me, im not making this stuff up. |
On Charlie I agree, but there was a lot in that episode that pushed the story arch forward, and was completely necessary not to create gaps and plot holes. |
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 21:03 Post subject: |
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We'll know everything monday.
I hope.
I just wished they explained a bit more how sylar gets his powers.
I still think sylar will lose most of his powers after they mem-wipe him. Then they'll go wtf where are your powers. They'll toss him out and out of anger and rejection he'll develop his actual power (summin fucking huge) and will go after claire's dad and everyone else 
And it'll be up to peter/hiro to stop him. maybe on monday's episode we'll see the scar hiro was talking about in the subway! A big ass fuckin' duel or summin!!!!! 
and what the fuck happened to the fire guy?
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 21:25 Post subject: |
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Obviously, they are gonig to use Syler for their own evil purposes.
Shame on them.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 22:12 Post subject: |
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What evil purpose tho?
From what I've seen all crlaire's dad did to the 'freaks' was that he unleashed their powers. Made it more avilable to them.
I've yet to see evil in that.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 22:38 Post subject: |
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Maybe if peter is in contact with Sylar for an extended period he'll exhibit all the powers Sylar has absorbed and that can be the basis for their huge duel. Although when he fought Sylar (albeit briefly) in the school he didn't seem to get any power from him, maybe because of the way Sylar steals his powers, rather then being born with them, means that peter can't do the rogue thing with him.
I don't like the Hiro character personally, not because of his personality, but because of his abilities. Realistically if someone could not only stop time, but also time travel and teleport at will, they would be unstoppable. How can anyone defeat someone who can stop time? Let alone the fact that if he encounters a powerful enemy he can just go back in time and kill them before they were born or something.
Sylar has the potential to become godlike powerful, but unless he can supress Hiros powers, all Hiro needs to do is stop time and chop him into little pieces at his leisure.
The thing is, if they mem-wipe Sylar how far back are they going to wipe his memory? Unless they go back to before he met the old geneticist indian then he's just going to go back out on a killing spree again.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 22:49 Post subject: |
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Dude the mem-wipe guy can suppress hiro's powers!
But i'm sure to some extent.
Grrr! I didn't see unless!
I think they're just going to wipe claire out of his head. So he'll never go after her again. So to do that they'll have to go before he met Chandra.
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 23:06 Post subject: |
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Well we know mem-wipe guy can supress mental abilties, but not physical ones, as he couldn't stop that politician guy from flying away. So he probably can supress Hiro's powers but it's not certain.
Wouldn't Sylar just go back to being frustrated clockmaker guy rather then raging psychopath telekinesis guy if they wipe his powers and memory back to before he met Chandra?
If so, whats he got to be angry about? Since he won't remember the encounter or even the fact he used to have superhuman abilities.
Maybe they'll erase his memory and he'll slowly regain them and that'll send him loopy.
Who's fire guy? You don't mean radioactive man?
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Sat, 2nd Dec 2006 23:21 Post subject: |
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hahaha radioactive man. yeah. him.
He escaped the FBI thing.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Dec 2006 13:13 Post subject: |
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BTW have you guys noticed that peter has another layer to his power? i think it's called astral projection - the ability to enteract with other people in your sleep. he saw what happened to nathan and simone's dad.
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| Posted: Sun, 3rd Dec 2006 13:36 Post subject: |
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Out of body experience, yeah. I love the goa-trance-band with the same name
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 12:42 Post subject: |
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| Tutukun wrote: | another great eps. Alot of new questions make Jan 22nd seems so far away  |
correction
Season 1, Episode 12: Godsend
Original Air Date: 15 January 2007
Season 1, Episode 13: The Fix
Original Air Date: 22 January 2007
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 12:51 Post subject: |
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 Spoiler: | So my question about the fire guy still stands. WHERE THE FUCK IS HE!
Peter doesn't have astral projection. I think he gets the powers, and they stay with him he just doesn't know how to reach them.
When he's close to someone, he's more in tune with them. When they leave, they stay with him but he can't get ahold of them. I think. Or maybe he has two or more powers like sylar.
The ep was filled with one liners which kinda sucked. Felt like an intro for a CSI episode. Where the main guy say something so corny and shitty and they make it sound profound. I loled.
Shame with what happened to eden. And now that sylar is free. Issac is in danger. So is claire. So is everyone basically. He'll go after claire's dad.
And the haitan guy. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. Whose jaw dropped when he started disobeying claires dad? That was woa. It was expected that he'll talk after eden said, he the haitan guy could talk he'd say i was right. And I knew he's gonna say something just not when exactly. It was cool the way he broke his silence.
Claire's dad is just a middle man. WHO's the main bad guy! GRRRRR! |
15 January 2007 FFS! FUCK! Guess I gotta start watching a different series now.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 12:56 Post subject: |
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| WaldoJ wrote: | | Spoiler: | So my question about the fire guy still stands. WHERE THE FUCK IS HE!
Peter doesn't have astral projection. I think he gets the powers, and they stay with him he just doesn't know how to reach them.
When he's close to someone, he's more in tune with them. When they leave, they stay with him but he can't get ahold of them. I think. Or maybe he has two or more powers like sylar.
The ep was filled with one liners which kinda sucked. Felt like an intro for a CSI episode. Where the main guy say something so corny and shitty and they make it sound profound. I loled.
Shame with what happened to eden. And now that sylar is free. Issac is in danger. So is claire. So is everyone basically. He'll go after claire's dad.
And the haitan guy. HOLY FUCKING SHIT. Whose jaw dropped when he started disobeying claires dad? That was woa. It was expected that he'll talk after eden said, he the haitan guy could talk he'd say i was right. And I knew he's gonna say something just not when exactly. It was cool the way he broke his silence.
Claire's dad is just a middle man. WHO's the main bad guy! GRRRRR! |
15 January 2007 FFS! FUCK! Guess I gotta start watching a different series now. |
but the comics will continue  |
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 14:01 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 14:13 Post subject: |
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| flappy wrote: | | Hfric wrote: | | Tutukun wrote: | | another great eps. Alot of new questions make Jan 22nd seems so far away |
correction
Season 1, Episode 12: Godsend
Original Air Date: 15 January 2007
Season 1, Episode 13: The Fix
Original Air Date: 22 January 2007
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Hmm, TV.com doesn't agree with you. Are you sure about the dates  |
 they still have Stargate Atlantis Season3 eps11 dated to 2007 - so |
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 16:47 Post subject: |
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so if Peter gets to close to every super power beings that he will go puff hmmm ... wonders me if we will see that t-rex vs hiro
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 19:02 Post subject: |
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I don't really like Micah's father. When he does his trick, the special effects look cheesy.
Episode 11 overall was great though.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 21:20 Post subject: |
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Was a great episode!
| Spoiler: | Too bad Eden had to die |
Too bad now I need to wait 2 months from now for the next episode :/ Too many shows took a break.
Now I can only consult myself with the slow-paced Jericho... though it's still quite entertaining.
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| Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006 21:46 Post subject: |
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The next episode is Jan 22nd NOT the 15th. They even said it at the end of the episode.
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