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| jlobee wrote: | | Parallax_ wrote: | | Does that mean you have to repeat that crap every 180 days or what? |
No, you just need to make sure the KMS server is active every 180 days, and the client will automatically reactivate itself; the client default renewal interval is 7 days, so every 7 days it tries to connect to the KMS server (can be changed), and if after 180 days it isnt able to connect to the KMS, it goes into a 30 day grace period with a default 120 min activation interval (again, can be changed), meaning now it tries to activate with the KMS server every 2 hours. Thats when you fire up the KMS server, let the OS activate, and your good to go. |
That's a pretty informative post, jlobee. It seems the majority of folks here don't care to read through the various posts. But since there are so many non-informative posts scatterred everywhere, it's hard to find the good ones. 
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Dec 2006 18:43 Post subject: |
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To those who say I'll have problems with moving it to another machine (virtual to real), I think I've moved a hdd with XP between my PCs, and it has coped with that quite well from what I remember, so it maybe fine. I'll try when I have time.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Dec 2006 18:51 Post subject: |
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@ lnatan25
another way to move virtual to real would be to install acronis true image or norton ghost on the vmware kms server, make a mirror of the running OS, burn it on a dvd, shutdown vmware, boot ur system und follow instructions of your mirror software.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Dec 2006 19:07 Post subject: |
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| x! wrote: | you´re wrong skyfoxxp..all windows games are still there, you just need to turn them on in control panel under windows features.
anyone figured out which components are needed in order to activate vista? maybe it´s possible to extract these components from the business N vista vmware image, so that we are able to activate vista using the command with localhost. |
Thank you i have found the games! Now considering that i'm not interested to windows media center now all my Vista issues are gone except from the italian translation pack but that's just a matter of time i suppose.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Dec 2006 20:16 Post subject: |
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Inatan25.
I imagine you was moving a HDD with a corporate edition of XP or one that has cracked activation. Therefore it would work if you plugged the drive into a different computer. I can tell you in no uncertain terms that if you tried that with a genuine copy of XP (an not corporate) it would ask you to activate.
Vista checks the HAL each time it boots to prevent you moving the HDD from computer to computer. If it discovers a different HAL checksum then its going to request validation. So when you move the VMWare image to a HDD and then boot Vista will think you have changed the motherboard, the cpu, the graphics card, the network card, etc (you get the picture). But good luck anyway.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Dec 2006 21:08 Post subject: |
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Yeah, that's why I asked what was in the VMWare installation. If it's something from MS, maybe it won't ask to be reactivated (ie something like PE 2.0, dedicated to KMS). If it's custom based Vista installation with KMS included, I won't even bother. If it's custom, though, where did they get the KMS service? This is an answer no one answers. Where does one legally obtain the KMS service (it's a service that can run under Vista and Server "Longhorn" 2007) from?
Dark_matter and x!, pleasy read what I wrote about "smart" people explaining (trying not to insult) the obvious to me!
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Dec 2006 21:21 Post subject: |
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Does anyone know how to change the serial number inside windows vista enterprise?
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Dec 2006 21:47 Post subject: |
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Inatan25 - Take a chill dude, no-one is dissing you. However, I do take offence in your assumption that number of posts equals level of knowledge. I am a member of another forum with over 2,000 posts and still learn a lot from people with only 1 or 2 posts. I don't assume that someone with less posts them me knows less than me, or that they are having a pop at me if they disagree. You will need to activate vista if you transfer it your HDD, regardless of what additional services it running because the HAL has changed. But don't let me stop you. Personally I would like to see you prove me wrong by actually installing the image natively on your HDD. Otherwise don't take it too personally. I have read your posts and agree with a lot of what you say. Just not this.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Dec 2006 21:59 Post subject: |
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Ok so I've booted the image in VMWare and disabled the firewall.
But how do I know which IP I need to connect to, how do I set this up (locally and on virtual)
I have tried ponting at an IP I thought it might be but I just get this error:
C:\Windows\System32>cscript c:\windows\system32\slmgr.vbs -ato
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.7
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Activating Windows(TM) Vista, Enterprise edition (cfd8ff08-c0d7-452b-9f60-ef5c70
c32094) ...
Error: 0xC004F039 The computer could not be activated. The Key Management Servic
e could not be reached.
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Dec 2006 22:34 Post subject: |
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run the vmware image as host only, go to command prompt and type ipconfig to obtain the ip address of the virtual server. try to ping the ip from your main OS. if that works, activate with slmgr -skms [ip address of server]. to check your activation status type slmgr -ato.
@latan25
what´s ur prob dude? everyone is trying to help in this forum. i like these guys who think that more posts will make them wiser than the rest. it´s like comparing the size of ur p****..grow up kid..
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Dec 2006 23:01 Post subject: |
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Can you change key at a later time, when for instance legit Windows hit the streets?
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kaine
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Dec 2006 23:03 Post subject: |
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Apparently yes, with the same .vbs scripting and different parameters
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| Posted: Thu, 7th Dec 2006 23:09 Post subject: |
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You're the "smart" ass lnatan25.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 00:31 Post subject: |
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| lnatan25 wrote: | Yeah, that's why I asked what was in the VMWare installation. If it's something from MS, maybe it won't ask to be reactivated (ie something like PE 2.0, dedicated to KMS). If it's custom based Vista installation with KMS included, I won't even bother. If it's custom, though, where did they get the KMS service? This is an answer no one answers. Where does one legally obtain the KMS service (it's a service that can run under Vista and Server "Longhorn" 2007) from?
Dark_matter and x!, pleasy read what I wrote about "smart" people explaining (trying not to insult) the obvious to me! |
Your question has actually been answered before, but I'll answer it again. The KMS host uses a special KMS host key installed on enterprise/business editions, and then activates this key with MS, and after 25 clients connect to the host, it starts activating them. The vmware image has already done all this so you dont have to worry about it.
Now the KMS host key has been banned from MS so you cannot activate anymore new installs, I know because I've tried it, but the activated vmware image stays activated; more info at http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan/volact1.mspx#InstallKMSMachine
Everything you need to know about KMS is in the above link, anymore dumb questions will be ignored.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 00:34 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | Can you change key at a later time, when for instance legit Windows hit the streets? |
Yes, slmgr.vbs -ipk newkey
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 03:09 Post subject: |
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Hiya, just one dumb question;
That vmware image, won't it expire as the same way our installations do? I mean, it will try to connect m$ to sync activation too. And then, it will expire too. So what? We can install a kms server into that kms server to activate the first kms server and it can go recursively.
Did i get all this wrong?
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 03:19 Post subject: |
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| jlobee wrote: | | Parallax_ wrote: | | Does that mean you have to repeat that crap every 180 days or what? |
No, you just need to make sure the KMS server is active every 180 days, and the client will automatically reactivate itself; the client default renewal interval is 7 days, so every 7 days it tries to connect to the KMS server (can be changed), and if after 180 days it isnt able to connect to the KMS, it goes into a 30 day grace period with a default 120 min activation interval (again, can be changed), meaning now it tries to activate with the KMS server every 2 hours. Thats when you fire up the KMS server, let the OS activate, and your good to go. |
Can you please share how to change the default renewal interval from 7 days to 180 days ? And is there any way to reactivate the KMS server every 180 days ? I will then keep the VMWare image on all the time .
TIA
Babe_Bunny
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 09:31 Post subject: |
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Virtual Machine to Physical Machine
It can be done but it is not an easy task, I'm not going to bother with it.
Found this on vmware:
http://www.vmware.com/support/v2p/
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Dunge
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 09:41 Post subject: |
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Why would you want to do that? You want KMS on your physical computer?..
Anyway, I still have a Ultimate install (still a few weeks left to activate cause I installed not long ago) and wonder how hard would it be to trick Windows to think it's a business edition and activate with KMS. Why couldn't it be done? It's nearly the same anyway,.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 10:15 Post subject: |
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| jlobee wrote: | | Now the KMS host key has been banned from MS so you cannot activate anymore new installs, I know because I've tried it, |
How did you find out the key? The key in the VM image has been cleared from the registry to prevent disclosure attacks, you can do so with the command slmgr -cpky
So if you try to get the key from the registry with e.g. "Magical Jelly Bean Keyfinder" it just gives you an invalid key all consisting of the letter B
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 11:04 Post subject: |
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| Andyconda wrote: | | jlobee wrote: | | Now the KMS host key has been banned from MS so you cannot activate anymore new installs, I know because I've tried it, |
How did you find out the key? The key in the VM image has been cleared from the registry to prevent disclosure attacks, you can do so with the command slmgr -cpky
So if you try to get the key from the registry with e.g. "Magical Jelly Bean Keyfinder" it just gives you an invalid key all consisting of the letter B |
Key was posted at vistafans forum, I tried it also and of course it did not activate but when you run slmgr -dlv you could see it was a KMS server key.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 11:09 Post subject: |
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| Dunge wrote: | | Anyway, I still have a Ultimate install (still a few weeks left to activate cause I installed not long ago) and wonder how hard would it be to trick Windows to think it's a business edition and activate with KMS. Why couldn't it be done? It's nearly the same anyway,. |
It's possible to replace a file from Enterprise, and Ultimate is then able to activate with KMS, but some of the features won't be avaible. |
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 11:13 Post subject: |
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You need VM image only fo first activation.
Then type-
cscript c:\windows\system32\slmgr.vbs -skms 127.0.0.1:1688
Vista can activate it self.
To test go ahead with time 2 years and restart PC
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 11:18 Post subject: |
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| lnatan25 wrote: | | Dunge wrote: | | Anyway, I still have a Ultimate install (still a few weeks left to activate cause I installed not long ago) and wonder how hard would it be to trick Windows to think it's a business edition and activate with KMS. Why couldn't it be done? It's nearly the same anyway,. |
It's possible to replace a file from Enterprise, and Ultimate is then able to activate with KMS, but some of the features won't be avaible. |
You can't use all the features avaible on Ultimate that there aren't on the Business edition so it's totally useless.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 11:41 Post subject: |
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| kokolo wrote: | You need VM image only fo first activation.
Then type-
cscript c:\windows\system32\slmgr.vbs -skms 127.0.0.1:1688
Vista can activate it self.
To test go ahead with time 2 years and restart PC |
No, the 180 days is actual usage time, not system time, so moving the clock forward wont change it at all, and even at the end of 180 days the client cannot activate itself.
Wishful thinking, but it just doesn't work.
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| Posted: Fri, 8th Dec 2006 12:27 Post subject: |
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| jlobee wrote: | | kokolo wrote: | You need VM image only fo first activation.
Then type-
cscript c:\windows\system32\slmgr.vbs -skms 127.0.0.1:1688
Vista can activate it self.
To test go ahead with time 2 years and restart PC |
No, the 180 days is actual usage time, not system time, so moving the clock forward wont change it at all, and even at the end of 180 days the client cannot activate itself.
Wishful thinking, but it just doesn't work. |
Yes but what's the matter. It takes a pair of minutes to do the manual reactivation.
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