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frado2
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LeoNatan
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| DssJoe wrote: | | jonloovox: You can use a public KMS server and only need to execute ONE step to activate, replacing activation server with remote one. Don't enter a key in business or install enterprise. No mods, no vm. Vm is only for people who want to activate locally, making public KMS server the cleanest, and as long as the server stays up, it will auto-reactivate every 7 days. Beta trick is weak! |
Yeah, but the question is, what can MS do to block it, and what would one have to do then. I don't want a half-working Vista. |
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werdercanuck
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Dec 2006 22:00 Post subject: |
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i wont go through all this trouble, im pretty sure sooner or later there will be a crack out. and until then, i do the reset aktivation trick. and to be honest, i always reinstall windows every 3-4 months anyway
1F U C4N R34D 7H1S, U R34LLY N33D 70 G37 L41D
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Dec 2006 22:35 Post subject: |
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Yeah, good luck with your hopes... If a crack ain't here yet, it probably ain't coming at all. And even if it comes out, and MS releases a patch to fix something in Vista and it just happens to break the crack as well, what wait another 2-3 months for another soontobebroken crack? 
On the other hand, $400?!
Bla!
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| Posted: Tue, 12th Dec 2006 23:28 Post subject: |
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A thing like Vista will get cracked. Thinking it won't is just not taking the past into account.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 03:19 Post subject: |
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hey guys,for some odd reason my Vista Enterprise (EcHoS) will not activate using the VMWare image.
All the instructions have been followed. I turn off both firewalls but this is what the non VM Vista spits out at me:
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Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\Windows\system32>cscript c:\windows\system32\slmgr.vbs -skms 192.168.152.128
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.7
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Key Management Service machine name set to 192.168.152.128 successfully.
C:\Windows\system32>cscript c:\windows\system32\slmgr.vbs -ato
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.7
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Activating Windows(TM) Vista, Enterprise edition (cfd8ff08-c0d7-452b-9f60-ef5c70
c32094) ...
Error: 0xC004F038 The computer could not be activated. The returned count from y
our Key Management Service is insufficient.
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I hve tried using both VMWare Player and the Workstation, the error is the same in both applications.
One odd thing I noticed was that the clock of the VMWare image was oddly configured by default to two hours ahead to my local PC time. I doubt this would affect activation in any way, as surely the system clock has little to do with the "key count"?
Any help would be appreciated, this is very frustrating seeing as I formatted my Vista Ultimate in order to get Enterprise to activate.
Cheers guys
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 17:16 Post subject: |
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WalkerBoh, you'd be suprised how deep some of the Windows vulnerabilities go. Now that there's an isolation between software and API (read: firewall and AV can't keep you safe from everything), I'd want the latest update asap.
Another problem is WGA... It phones home constantly, so even if AU is disabled, you might find your Vista half functioning one day.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 18:10 Post subject: |
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They can't modify your software without your approval. So if you disable windows update there is nothing they can do.
I have updated XP only with the service packs and i have never had a virus or spyware. Mcafee works fine.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 18:55 Post subject: |
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| lnatan25 wrote: | WalkerBoh, you'd be suprised how deep some of the Windows vulnerabilities go. Now that there's an isolation between software and API (read: firewall and AV can't keep you safe from everything), I'd want the latest update asap.
Another problem is WGA... It phones home constantly, so even if AU is disabled, you might find your Vista half functioning one day. |
Well the vista phone home thing is a myth. Apparrently it started when the reset the 30 day trick "stopped working". When it actually never did. Also you can easily use a router to block ports and such. Most people now in days have one.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 19:00 Post subject: |
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I think that their are going to blacklist the key used with the KMS trick.
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$en$i
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 23:10 Post subject: |
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| WalkerBoh wrote: | They can't modify your software without your approval. So if you disable windows update there is nothing they can do.
I have updated XP only with the service packs and i have never had a virus or spyware. Mcafee works fine. |
They don't have to, WGA is hard coded in the system, and I mean DEEPLY integrated. Anal. And WGA has nothing to do with AU.
| Omego2K wrote: | | Well the vista phone home thing is a myth. Apparrently it started when the reset the 30 day trick "stopped working". When it actually never did. Also you can easily use a router to block ports and such. Most people now in days have one. |
You live in a dream, my friend. WGA calls every set amount of time, and checks for authenticity. That's the shittiest thing about cracking Vista. Crack should use the hard-coded cdkey in Vista (the one that is registered when you choose not to install with a key), or else another crack would have to follow that would disable WGA, and that is impossible from what I've seen. |
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 23:38 Post subject: |
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From what I understood from their website regarding leaked key contingency techniques, only WGA could set your system in a non-genuine state. All they have to do is detect the blacklisted KMS key (yes, your activation IS signed with the server's KMS key!) to put you in a non-genuine state, wherein you have 30 days to 'become genuine'. From the looks of their article, it seems that only the ActiveX WGA control can do this, but it is not clearly specified (see Appendix 1: Resolving Non-Genuine Issues on Computers of http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/plan/volact1.mspx). It appears that their approach to the matter will vary based on country (WGA nag vs disabling system vs nothing?), and it seems triggered by the WGA ActiveX control. It just looks like it will be a pain to use software and services provided by Microsoft, but it appears that they won't cripple you silently etc. Probably to stem mass and commercial piracy...
As for fooling WGA, it is definitely possible, however it could become detectable and certainly could be defeated by an update of WGA. It all depends how tightly integrated it is, if it is signed, and what you would have to change to bypass signature. It probably will be allot more difficult on an x64 system too  You will never achieve peace of mind as long as you are using WGA with publically pirated software, and the simplest workaround would probably be using enterprise+public KMS server without WGA activeX.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 23:44 Post subject: |
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| lnatan25 wrote: | | WalkerBoh wrote: | They can't modify your software without your approval. So if you disable windows update there is nothing they can do.
I have updated XP only with the service packs and i have never had a virus or spyware. Mcafee works fine. |
They don't have to, WGA is hard coded in the system, and I mean DEEPLY integrated. Anal. And WGA has nothing to do with AU.
| Omego2K wrote: | | Well the vista phone home thing is a myth. Apparrently it started when the reset the 30 day trick "stopped working". When it actually never did. Also you can easily use a router to block ports and such. Most people now in days have one. |
You live in a dream, my friend. WGA calls every set amount of time, and checks for authenticity. That's the shittiest thing about cracking Vista. Crack should use the hard-coded cdkey in Vista (the one that is registered when you choose not to install with a key), or else another crack would have to follow that would disable WGA, and that is impossible from what I've seen. |
what port does WGA use? I have yet to hear about it calling home, any proof of this? I mean even if it does, you can easily block the port using a router then your router won't allow it to connect anywhere. But where did you see information about wga calling home every 10 min?
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| Omego2K wrote: | | lnatan25 wrote: | | WalkerBoh wrote: | They can't modify your software without your approval. So if you disable windows update there is nothing they can do.
I have updated XP only with the service packs and i have never had a virus or spyware. Mcafee works fine. |
They don't have to, WGA is hard coded in the system, and I mean DEEPLY integrated. Anal. And WGA has nothing to do with AU.
| Omego2K wrote: | | Well the vista phone home thing is a myth. Apparrently it started when the reset the 30 day trick "stopped working". When it actually never did. Also you can easily use a router to block ports and such. Most people now in days have one. |
You live in a dream, my friend. WGA calls every set amount of time, and checks for authenticity. That's the shittiest thing about cracking Vista. Crack should use the hard-coded cdkey in Vista (the one that is registered when you choose not to install with a key), or else another crack would have to follow that would disable WGA, and that is impossible from what I've seen. |
what port does WGA use? I have yet to hear about it calling home, any proof of this? I mean even if it does, you can easily block the port using a router then your router won't allow it to connect anywhere. But where did you see information about wga calling home every 10 min? |
But what if MS already thought of this and they made it search for an open port first? To me it sounds a bit too simple
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| LeskiL wrote: | | Omego2K wrote: | | lnatan25 wrote: |
They don't have to, WGA is hard coded in the system, and I mean DEEPLY integrated. Anal. And WGA has nothing to do with AU.
ok, set it to block all ports except the ones you want open?
You live in a dream, my friend. WGA calls every set amount of time, and checks for authenticity. That's the shittiest thing about cracking Vista. Crack should use the hard-coded cdkey in Vista (the one that is registered when you choose not to install with a key), or else another crack would have to follow that would disable WGA, and that is impossible from what I've seen. |
what port does WGA use? I have yet to hear about it calling home, any proof of this? I mean even if it does, you can easily block the port using a router then your router won't allow it to connect anywhere. But where did you see information about wga calling home every 10 min? |
But what if MS already thought of this and they made it search for an open port first? To me it sounds a bit too simple |
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Dec 2006 03:04 Post subject: |
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| Markieman234 wrote: | hey guys,for some odd reason my Vista Enterprise (EcHoS) will not activate using the VMWare image.
All the instructions have been followed. I turn off both firewalls but this is what the non VM Vista spits out at me:
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Microsoft Windows [Version 6.0.6000]
Copyright (c) 2006 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\Windows\system32>cscript c:\windows\system32\slmgr.vbs -skms 192.168.152.128
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.7
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Key Management Service machine name set to 192.168.152.128 successfully.
C:\Windows\system32>cscript c:\windows\system32\slmgr.vbs -ato
Microsoft (R) Windows Script Host Version 5.7
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Activating Windows(TM) Vista, Enterprise edition (cfd8ff08-c0d7-452b-9f60-ef5c70
c32094) ...
Error: 0xC004F038 The computer could not be activated. The returned count from y
our Key Management Service is insufficient.
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I hve tried using both VMWare Player and the Workstation, the error is the same in both applications.
One odd thing I noticed was that the clock of the VMWare image was oddly configured by default to two hours ahead to my local PC time. I doubt this would affect activation in any way, as surely the system clock has little to do with the "key count"?
Any help would be appreciated, this is very frustrating seeing as I formatted my Vista Ultimate in order to get Enterprise to activate.
Cheers guys |
What you need is a clean image of the KMS server image. Then once you unpacked the KMS server rar file into a folder, go inside that folder. Right click on "Windows Vista (experimental).vmx" file and open it with Windows Notepad.Type the following in it right at the very top and save the file.
tools.synchronize.continue=FALSE
tools.synchronize.restore=FALSE
tools.synchronize.resume.disk=FALSE
tools.synchronize.shrink=FALSE
rtc.startTime = "1164286430"
Now use VMWare workstation to load the image. Turn the Ethernet to NAT and turn the firewall of both the PCs off. Remember, once you activate your real PC, you should take that KMS server image offline , or else with the passage of time, the returned count from your Key management service will keep on getting down, and once it reaches below 25, the KMS server will automatically invalid itself. Cheers
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Dec 2006 09:18 Post subject: |
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What would happen if I replace Ultimate's license file, activate in KMS, then switch back to the one from Ultimate? Would it invalidate my license?
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Dec 2006 13:39 Post subject: |
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| lnatan25 wrote: | | What would happen if I replace Ultimate's license file, activate in KMS, then switch back to the one from Ultimate? Would it invalidate my license? |
I didnt try that myself, but I know a few guys who have tries it. As far as they tel me, the Ultimate Edition does get activate but the special Ultimate fucntions which are not available in the Business Edition, such as Media Center features, dont work. So in other words, Ultimate does get activate, but not all the Ultimate features. Only the business features unlocks which defeates the purpose of trying to activate the Ultimate edition with a Business KMS.
Babe_Bunny
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Dec 2006 16:18 Post subject: |
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| Babe_bunny wrote: | | lnatan25 wrote: | | What would happen if I replace Ultimate's license file, activate in KMS, then switch back to the one from Ultimate? Would it invalidate my license? |
I didnt try that myself, but I know a few guys who have tries it. As far as they tel me, the Ultimate Edition does get activate but the special Ultimate fucntions which are not available in the Business Edition, such as Media Center features, dont work. So in other words, Ultimate does get activate, but not all the Ultimate features. Only the business features unlocks which defeates the purpose of trying to activate the Ultimate edition with a Business KMS.
Babe_Bunny |
 Did you even read what I wrote?! Ultimate features don't work, DUH... I asked what happens if you switch the license file with the old one after activation. |
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Dec 2006 16:58 Post subject: |
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Right guys, I'll be damned if i'm reading 30 pages. Can anyone give some brief details on
a) what version to get
b) whether its cracked
c) easy to crack?
d) will it stay cracked for more than 1 reboot?
Many thanks!
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Dec 2006 17:12 Post subject: |
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| Horrordee wrote: | Right guys, I'll be damned if i'm reading 30 pages. Can anyone give some brief details on
a) what version to get
b) whether its cracked
c) easy to crack?
d) will it stay cracked for more than 1 reboot?
Many thanks! |
a) WinBeta or ECHOS Enterprise rel
b) nothing
c) ^^
d) ^^
But Business and Enterprise can be activated with KMS server for 180 days.
PC: Yes. Console: No.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Dec 2006 17:28 Post subject: |
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From what I heard eth0 won't even bother with Vista. :/
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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$en$i
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