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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 12:22    Post subject:
NecroViolator wrote:
Im NOT talking about Classic View...
I wrote "They dont have the button to page through the Opened Windows like with Aero on"...

Vista doesnt have that option in Clssic View...

Why would they? Classic is for those with the oldest hardware, they will never be able to enjoy AERO effects with it, so why bother? You could however make a classic skin for Vista that uses the capabilities of AERO, but that would be stupid and no one will do it.

WalkerBoh wrote:
So the news 64 bit crack works?

Crack works flawlessly on both x86 and x64 versions.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 14:12    Post subject:
lnatan25 wrote:
olger901, read before posting crap! Vista is the best version todate. Just the rewritten stacks (network, sound, drivers, etc...) and DX10 should be enough to stfu you all.

What advantages do you actually see?
I got Vista installed and all i can see is a slower version of XP using way too much memory (got 2 gigs tho so njot a real issue). The flashy new interface doesn`t impress me at all.
The fact that older games run 10%+ slower doesn`t either. (My favorite game runs at 50% of XP speed!)
To top it off it bluescreened on me once i installed the audio driver it leeched automatically from the net (certified drivers!!!).

Tell me one good reason to use this as primary OS right now. There is no game that needs it or takes advantage of it. It`s just a flashy new version of XP in my eyes.
About the security: Give it half a year and it will be just as infested with worms, viruses and trojans as XP is.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 14:29    Post subject:
Can someone please post a mirror for the antiWPA vista crack? page is down and I can't get it. Thanks.

EDIT: I thought I managed to get the activator timers to freeze but today after almost 2 weeks of use, my Vista came up with the "27 days to activation" thing. Bugger!
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 17:25    Post subject:
mustrum wrote:
What advantages do you actually see?
I got Vista installed and all i can see is a slower version of XP using way too much memory (got 2 gigs tho so njot a real issue). The flashy new interface doesn`t impress me at all.
The fact that older games run 10%+ slower doesn`t either. (My favorite game runs at 50% of XP speed!)
To top it off it bluescreened on me once i installed the audio driver it leeched automatically from the net (certified drivers!!!).

Tell me one good reason to use this as primary OS right now. There is no game that needs it or takes advantage of it. It`s just a flashy new version of XP in my eyes.
About the security: Give it half a year and it will be just as infested with worms, viruses and trojans as XP is.

On my PC (not that spectacular, A64 4000+ with 2GB ram and a 6600GT), Vista runs much faster than XP. The memory you see in use is actually the cause of that speed improvement. Vista keeps things in memory based on things you usually run, and thus programs start much faster. That's called SuperFetch. If apps need that memory, Vista will free it. By this point I feel like a broken latern, repeating the same thing. What's the point of having memory if it's not put to good use?!

All the other complaints are drivers-based. That shouldn't be an issue in the longrun. It's the same every time a new Windows OS hits the markets. And again, let me repeat the same thing I say all moronic bashers: Try to remember the first days of XP or 2000... Games worked at 70% speed (this number is from external independant tests) and drviers were lacking. So?! XP is wide spread right now just as cockroaches are.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 17:31    Post subject:
lnatan25 wrote:


WalkerBoh wrote:
So the news 64 bit crack works?

Crack works flawlessly on both x86 and x64 versions.


do you think it works updating my windows from business 64 to ultimate 64 without a clean install? I have reinstalled everything just a few days ago and i don't want to do that again.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 17:35    Post subject:
This discussion will be obsolete within months. Who is running Windows 98? Who will be running XP in lets say 6 months? VISTA already runs more stable compared to XP when it came. Of course VISTA uses more resources, its fracking 2007. Two choices you have (to quote Yoda)
1: Get a faster rig
2: Get Vista Home Basic
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 17:41    Post subject:
WalkerBoh wrote:
do you think it works updating my windows from business 64 to ultimate 64 without a clean install? I have reinstalled everything just a few days ago and i don't want to do that again.

Nah, update is one of the worst features in any Windows ever... The end result comes as a big, slow, bloated shit. Reinstall Vista Ultimate all over again. Look on the bright side: It takes only 20 mins. to install Vista, as opposed to the 50+ mins in XP.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 18:24    Post subject:
lnatan25 wrote:
WalkerBoh wrote:
do you think it works updating my windows from business 64 to ultimate 64 without a clean install? I have reinstalled everything just a few days ago and i don't want to do that again.

Nah, update is one of the worst features in any Windows ever... The end result comes as a big, slow, bloated shit. Reinstall Vista Ultimate all over again. Look on the bright side: It takes only 20 mins. to install Vista, as opposed to the 50+ mins in XP.


20mins to install Vista +2h to install all the software.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 18:25    Post subject:
So far I've been impressed with Vista x86 ULTIMATE. Running with the TimeCrack and its frozen the (4) Timers. Seems to be working as expected (countdown has stopped).

The system tested on is poo: 3.2Ghz,1gb mem, Integrated Intel 82865G graphics Controller (doesn't even do 3d) w/80gb HDD. Vista Scores the machine: Overall 1.0
Processor: 4.3, Ram: 4.0, Gfx: 1.9, Gaming: 1.0, HDD: 5.3

So as you can see above.. Mehh system..

Btw.. Vista x86 Ultimate installed in just under 30mins. Takes up ~7.3gb. It loads from POST to Desktop in under 35seconds and was shocked at even how fast things went during the on-desktop testing. It detected everything except the OnBoard sound but I just ran LiveUpdate and it installed it within a minute. Wow.. superb.

MSI GT72S 6QF Dominator Pro S 29th Anniversary Intel i7 6820HK @ 4.0Ghz, 32GB DDR4-2133 RAM, 2x256GB Raid0 Toshiba NVMe 2.5 inch PCIe SSD, Nvidia Geforce GTX 980 OC'ed 200+ Core / 200+ Mem, 17.3 inch LG IPS HD Display @ 75Hz, Intel 7265AC Wifi, Windows 10 Pro BIOS version: .112 EC Firmware version: .105

Current Broadband speed record: 329.1 Mb/sec down // 21.73 Mb/sec up
http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest/3933292.png
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 18:50    Post subject:
Microsoft.Windows.Vista.Business.Upgrade.READ.NFO-XiSO

NFO:
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PC: Yes. Console: No.
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 19:01    Post subject:
97.46_forceware_winvista_x86_international_whql.exe

http://www.nvidia.com/object/winvista_x86_97.46.html
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LeoNatan
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 19:04    Post subject:
No 8800 support yet again... Sad
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PostPosted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007 19:32    Post subject:
I want nforce drivers...
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 04:35    Post subject:
What i need is a lot of video utilities (Haaliโ€™s Media Splitter, DirectVobSub, etc) in their x64 version. I still can't read my tens of .mkv files within Media Center 64-bit edition, 'have to use MPC or WMP with 32-bit codecs and utilities, and this without my uber-leet remote controler: eek! ;'(
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 06:35    Post subject:
Well no complaints from me. Everything has been running just fine. VISTA is as fast as XP for me on my PC. Programs work ok, although should be better when there VISTA compatible.
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 10:25    Post subject:
Bloody Double Post...
Thought the place died...???


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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 10:27    Post subject:
lnatan25 wrote:
[quote="Vista doesnt have that option in Clssic View...
Why would they? Classic is for those with the oldest hardware, they will never be able to enjoy AERO effects with it, so why bother? You could however make a classic skin for Vista that uses the capabilities of AERO, but that would be stupid and no one will do it.


I can use the Aero without but 1 problem...It disturbs ALL Games, Editors, 3DMax...
PLUS the Windows Media Player 11 pops up the Song being played and kills the GFX System...
Not really highly programmed IMO...Feels as they made it just so it works and nothing else...

And the Classic View is there for people who want to use it...It has NOTHING to do with "Oldest Hardware" at all...
Owell, Maybe the Drivers being released will fix these problems...???

BTW: My NVidia Driver wont install... Someone know what to do to fix this Problem ???
Its says "Cant install Drivers. Missing a file"...???
And I run the Driver installment over and over again, and Update Driver, nothing works...

EDIT: Never mind I installed the International and it works now... Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 12:17    Post subject:
Stupid laggy forum


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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 12:19    Post subject:
lnatan25 wrote:
mustrum wrote:
What advantages do you actually see?
I got Vista installed and all i can see is a slower version of XP using way too much memory (got 2 gigs tho so njot a real issue). The flashy new interface doesn`t impress me at all.
The fact that older games run 10%+ slower doesn`t either. (My favorite game runs at 50% of XP speed!)
To top it off it bluescreened on me once i installed the audio driver it leeched automatically from the net (certified drivers!!!).

Tell me one good reason to use this as primary OS right now. There is no game that needs it or takes advantage of it. It`s just a flashy new version of XP in my eyes.
About the security: Give it half a year and it will be just as infested with worms, viruses and trojans as XP is.

On my PC (not that spectacular, A64 4000+ with 2GB ram and a 6600GT), Vista runs much faster than XP. The memory you see in use is actually the cause of that speed improvement. Vista keeps things in memory based on things you usually run, and thus programs start much faster. That's called SuperFetch. If apps need that memory, Vista will free it. By this point I feel like a broken latern, repeating the same thing. What's the point of having memory if it's not put to good use?!

All the other complaints are drivers-based. That shouldn't be an issue in the longrun. It's the same every time a new Windows OS hits the markets. And again, let me repeat the same thing I say all moronic bashers: Try to remember the first days of XP or 2000... Games worked at 70% speed (this number is from external independant tests) and drviers were lacking. So?! XP is wide spread right now just as cockroaches are.


I am talking about games here. They run between 50 and 20% slower.
My sytem:
AMD X2 3800+ @3070mhz
2 gigs RAM
x1900 XTX

For gaming vista is a waste of time. We will get forced to use it for DX10 but until these games arrive vista is pointless to a gamer.
IF they manage to get it to run at similar speed as Win XP i am all with you. Switch because it's more shiny. Until that happenes vista is a waste of time to the gamers though.
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 12:20    Post subject:
There's a new driver now (without 8800 support, argh!), so get that. And Classic is ther ejust for that. Corporations with low-end hardware that can't afford to spend resources on "themes," as MS calls them.

On the problems you have I can't comment because I never experienced them, but you can disable DWM per application, so I guess that's the only solution for now, until new versions of the programs arrive that support Vista completely.

[EDIT] All hail multiple postings once more!
Mustrum, told you. The problems you experience are driver based. They should be fixed in the following weeks, maximum a month, when new drivers come out.
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 12:28    Post subject:
Yeah we'll see. As long i don't have to pay for vista i am not aganst it if it works at the same speed.
I do like hte new interface and improvements. I don't wanna pay with performance loss for such minor things though.
As it is XP stays my Nr1 system and vista is installed as secondary to see how it improves.

Lets hope the drivers get better to an extent where it makes no sense to boot XP anymore because we will all get forced to switch sooner or later.
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 12:30    Post subject:
Minor things?! Half of Vista is written from scrath.

Did I say I feel like a broken latern?
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 12:39    Post subject:
I know that it is a total new operating system basically.
I don't care though. I only look at the operating system and check for the improvements i get outta it.
For gaming i get no improvement until DX 10 wich could've been implemented into Win XP easily.
All the other stuff i simply don't need.
If you look at the responses Vista gets you will see that i a don't stand alone with my opinion.

Aero is a good example. Nobody needs it and it is nothing they couldn't have patched into XP.
They simply do this crap to sell a new operating system. Understandable since they wanna make money but still nothing ground breaking.
The new way hwo the system handles drivers is pissing off all the major companies because stuff just doesn't get certified.

If Vista runs virous and worm free without crashes in a year still they did somethign major but i don't see it happen. Seing it bluescreen from an audio driver allready is a bad sign to me.

You advertise vistas features like a microsoft engeneer but in my opinion vista has to prove itself first. What we saw so far is not convincng to most.

Edit: Apples lates OS shows how it could be done. If it would run my games i'd swtch and never look back.
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 12:49    Post subject:
Oh dear, you got me... Up until now I was an nVidia developer, now I'm MS engineer as well. Woohoo!

Seriously though, you and ignorant prople like you are the reason why Vista is not the Longhorn envisioned in 2003. Anything too different from you know, and you don't like it. That's why the majority of the stuff promised was abandoned.
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 12:51    Post subject:
Sorry that i killed Vista. Me bad.
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 12:52    Post subject:
mustrum wrote:
Edit: Apples lates OS shows how it could be done. If it would run my games i'd swtch and never look back.
Please don't compare an OS that works on a specific hardware with an OS that have to be able to support near to all the hardware out there... this is completly irrelevant.
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 12:54    Post subject:
Actually they managed to adapt to a whole new processor architecture without any trouble in a very damn short time.


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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 12:55    Post subject:
VISTA is not even out for the public (in Germany around the 25-30th of Jan) This is just how things work, old stuff gets replaced by new and ppl are always sceptical towards new things. Remember the release of XP? Again...who will run XP in 6-8 months? Or you can always run LINUX if you don't like MS or just get that MAC and hope that games will be converted a year later...maybe.
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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 13:19    Post subject:
lnatan25 wrote:
Seriously though, you and ignorant prople like you are the reason why Vista is not the Longhorn envisioned in 2003. Anything too different from you know, and you don't like it. That's why the majority of the stuff promised was abandoned.

Vista is not the Vista it should have been due to Microsoft and Microsoft alone. They have 7000 programmers yet they cannot do a simple task like keeping WinFS in for release. Incompetent monkeys.

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PostPosted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007 13:24    Post subject:
You know why WinFS was taken out? Beta (or should I say alpha) testers complained it runs slowly on 5400rpm hdds. That's the reasons. You know why vector based AERO was scrapped (or rather posponed indefinetely)? Because it required high-end DX9 with SM3.0 support, and they feared cheap idiots won't be able to run it, so they scrapped. Want to know why explorer shell got dumbed down from early beta 1 builds to beta 2 (things like virtual folders, content sensitive directory apearence, etc)? Because beta testers were too confused between Longhorn's explorer shell and XP's.

Annoy me enough and I might find the sources of internal memos with the reasons why so many things failed to show up. Sure some of it is MS' fault, but only a small fraction.
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