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| Weedo wrote: | | I lost interest in the game as soon as I read that they will only use randomly generated levels again. I could punch Bill Roper in the face every time he praises random levels and brags about how important it is to generate everything randomly. Imo that's nothing but a disappointing, half-assed, extremely lazy way of game design. Nothing beats well designed levels created by-hand. If they absolutely must have random levels they should only use them in multiplayer but not in singleplayer! Diablo 2 was not a very good singleplayer experience because of the random levels and the lack of a proper save system. If Hellgate London is similar I might not play it at all. |
I must agree with you there. No random crap will beat hand crafted beauty.
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007 16:51 Post subject: |
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Well there are different kind of RPGs, but they're still RPGs.
Arcade/Action RPGs: Diablo, Titan Quest, Hellgate, etc.
Hardcore RPGs: Fallout, Baldurs Gate, etc...
Hybrids: Oblivion, etc
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007 17:40 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007 07:01 Post subject: |
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Both Diablo games had randomly generated levels and had great hack & slash single-player. (the save system did suck)
Even some of Oblivion's caves-caverns are not hand-made but randomly PRE-generated.
I don't care about the MP for this game, I just hope the SP will be something different and cool
Anyway, it's many months until it will be out (summer?)
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007 09:38 Post subject: |
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damn...
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/45282
In addition to yesterday's announcement that Hellgate: London will be shipping in Summer 2007, developer Flagship Studios revealed this week that the game's multiplayer component is a subscription-based online service. Speaking to Shacknews at CES in Las Vegas, CEO Bill Roper noted that the game draws significantly from massively multiplayer games, with genre trappings such as guilds, continually developed content, a full social system, and raid-type gameplay.
Drawing similarities to ArenaNet's Guild Wars, Hellgate's online is heavily instanced. Group and solo PvE is the game's main focus; PvP will exist in a small scale form, but is not a major element of the initial launch. It will also feature a Hardcore mode similar to that found in Blizzard's Diablo II, a game on which many members of the Hellgate team worked. Hellgate's multiplayer will contain all of the missions and story from the single-player aspect of the game, as well as exclusive gameplay modes and content. Like the single-player game, it will be comprised of dynamically generated areas and items. Further content will be continually added over time by a dedicated Flagship team.
Flagship expects to launch an open beta prior to the launch of the game. Pricing details have not yet been determined, though Roper noted that there will be some kind of trial or free play system for those looking to get a taste of the game without commitment.
"I think that just as Diablo and Diablo II started this religious argument over whether they're RPGs or not, I think that Hellgate will spark that same debate over whether it's an MMO or not," commented Roper, who added that the game has been designed as an MMO from day one. Check back this week for an extensive interview with Roper, delving more comprehensively into the online aspects of Hellgate: London.
Well if it turns out good then im in...
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007 11:45 Post subject: |
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Hasnt it been known for a long time that this game would be subscription based? Its being classed as an MMO by many..
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007 12:06 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | | Hasnt it been known for a long time that this game would be subscription based? Its being classed as an MMO by many.. |
Lot of ppl thougt and wouderd if it soud be a mothy feed for it, but all we who sad no to it thoug that it woudent sice it has a singelplayer part so we/I compard it to Diablo 2 there mp is for free.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007 12:38 Post subject: |
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man...all that time wasted on looking forward to this. MMO's NEVER do good. Hell guild wars is good but they never change the boring crap, I couldnt stand WoW as that was even worse. Why does everyone insist on making MMO's they all suck.
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007 13:56 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | man...all that time wasted on looking forward to this. MMO's NEVER do good. Hell guild wars is good but they never change the boring crap, I couldnt stand WoW as that was even worse. Why does everyone insist on making MMO's they all suck. |
why si it an mmo jst becurs you have to pay for it? this is juat like Diablo 2's mp but you have to pay for it, that dose not make it an mmo.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007 15:07 Post subject: |
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| Karmeck wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: | | man...all that time wasted on looking forward to this. MMO's NEVER do good. Hell guild wars is good but they never change the boring crap, I couldnt stand WoW as that was even worse. Why does everyone insist on making MMO's they all suck. |
why si it an mmo jst becurs you have to pay for it? this is juat like Diablo 2's mp but you have to pay for it, that dose not make it an mmo. |
peopel above mentioned it. I stopped following this game.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007 16:07 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | man...all that time wasted on looking forward to this. MMO's NEVER do good. Hell guild wars is good but they never change the boring crap, I couldnt stand WoW as that was even worse. Why does everyone insist on making MMO's they all suck. |
False, EVE-online is ftw.
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swebarb
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007 20:17 Post subject: |
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Fucking subscribtions.. ive been following this game for a time and now this shit news gets out... who on earth wanna buy unless you want to play an MMO game or so but that aint so.. multi should be free damnit.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007 20:31 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Drawing similarities to ArenaNet's Guild Wars, Hellgate's online is heavily instanced. Group and solo PvE is the game's main focus; PvP will exist in a small scale form, but is not a major element of the initial launch. |
That right there is the main reason why i'm not going to get this game.The monthly fee is also another factor that is bothering me.I'd rather play guild wars for free instead if HL is heavily instanced and if PVP/PK is only a minor part of the game.If i have to pay a monthly fee , i'd rather pay for a true MMO with a big persistant world where there are no or only a few instances (WOW is a good exemple).
Hellgate London is destined to fail i'm afraid.
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jan 2007 09:53 Post subject: |
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Think if you already Pay to Play Online ???
WOW and 1 other game....Thats 45 bucks a month... Almost 50 bucks...
How the hell are you supposed to pay 50 bucks a month to play the games you want to play ???
Playing 4 games is 60 bucks...Thats a crap load of money...
I hope this game Flops HUGE, to show the greedy bastards that people dont want to PAY to PLAY Online...
Soon Microsoft is going to make you Pay To Use Windows...
You will have to Pay 15 Bucks a Month just to use Windows...
And 10 Bucks xtra for Upgrades, BUGS that they made just so you have to Upgrade...
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| Posted: Thu, 11th Jan 2007 10:00 Post subject: |
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too bad they didnt have a forum that we could protest on
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jan 2007 06:24 Post subject: |
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| NecroViolator wrote: | Think if you already Pay to Play Online ???
WOW and 1 other game....Thats 45 bucks a month... Almost 50 bucks...
How the hell are you supposed to pay 50 bucks a month to play the games you want to play ???
Playing 4 games is 60 bucks...Thats a crap load of money...
I hope this game Flops HUGE, to show the greedy bastards that people dont want to PAY to PLAY Online...
Soon Microsoft is going to make you Pay To Use Windows...
You will have to Pay 15 Bucks a Month just to use Windows...
And 10 Bucks xtra for Upgrades, BUGS that they made just so you have to Upgrade... |
For the last time the decision to make it all fee based aint decided yet... To paint the devil on the walls this time is just plain stupid. Wait until further info before freaking out.
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jan 2007 07:40 Post subject: |
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| Mutantius wrote: | | NecroViolator wrote: | Think if you already Pay to Play Online ???
WOW and 1 other game....Thats 45 bucks a month... Almost 50 bucks...
How the hell are you supposed to pay 50 bucks a month to play the games you want to play ???
Playing 4 games is 60 bucks...Thats a crap load of money...
I hope this game Flops HUGE, to show the greedy bastards that people dont want to PAY to PLAY Online...
Soon Microsoft is going to make you Pay To Use Windows...
You will have to Pay 15 Bucks a Month just to use Windows...
And 10 Bucks xtra for Upgrades, BUGS that they made just so you have to Upgrade... |
For the last time the decision to make it all fee based aint decided yet... To paint the devil on the walls this time is just plain stupid. Wait until further info before freaking out. |
ever see dazed n confused? ima give you one of those paddles they used to beat freshman ass to start beating these peoples ass.
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jan 2007 10:30 Post subject: |
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I'd pay an online fee for it. I'll just quit WoW, big deal. This game seems fantastic.
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jan 2007 12:45 Post subject: |
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Was it not from here I got this? Eny way:
Hello,
It's time to start participating in forums again! I used to participate all the time back when I worked at Blizzard, but haven't since we started Flagship.
Now that we're getting closer to shipping, and now that there's lots of information (and misinformation) out there, it's time I start getting familiar with our community again and communicating our message of love and happiness.
Obviously the topic of the day is the news from CES, and the controversy on pay models. We want the best of both worlds: free play for both single- and multi-player, AND an ongoing revenue model to fund the expansion of our world through ongoing content - something we never were able to do with the Diablo series at Blizzard. Exactly how we get there is the subject of ongoing discussion, but rest assured we're committed to significant free online multi-player play!
Anyway, this is a subject that will continue to be discussed and quoted and misquoted as we go. In the meantime, greetings to everyone, and I hope we are able to fulfill your expectations for Hellgate: London!
Max Schaefer
C.O.O. and co-founder, Flagship Studios
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| Posted: Fri, 12th Jan 2007 13:20 Post subject: |
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from "here" do you mean nforce? Cause while this place is a good way to find out what people think of games no dev/publisher would join this place.
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...anyways, as long as there is a "tax free" singleplayer, i'm not concerned...but if those bastards will do something like in BF2142, that even for SP you must log in, then i will probably slap those biotches' asses with those damned paddles...
