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ClifftonBeach




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007 23:37    Post subject: pistol accuracy
RE: pistol accuracy

I'd wager that 95% of people here couldn't "pick off" anybody from 25 meters IRL. Especially not at the rate of fire in the game. Most people would be lucky to get a single hit with slow deliberate concentrated aiming. The chances go up if you have some training, but it remains non-trivial. And this is all at 25 meters. 100? forget it.

People just don't understand how unstable a platform a pistol is. Short barrel (so short distance between rear and front sights) means any tiny deviation gets magnified as you go downrange. Some of that deviation comes from not having rock steady hands (no one does). That isn't actually a huge problem at 25 meters, but it is for longer distances. The real problem is pulling the trigger without moving the gun. It's doable with practice, but not as fast as clicking a mouse in the game. Pistols also kick (you're probably going to kick around 8-10 degrees each shot) requiring you to take a second to settle in to an aimed shot again (none of this firing as fast as you can pull a trigger/press a mouse button).

People have to get used to the idea that a pistol is ineffective at longer distances. You need a long weapon. Patches to increase accuracy of pistols are IMHO misguided.
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VGAdeadcafe




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007 23:48    Post subject:
@ Clifftonbeach

Nicely put,but you know this is just a game, right? Not a shooting simulator. If all games were like that then we'd all emo and die ...

Stalker wasn't advertised as a combat simulator,either. I would prefer better gameplay over this kind of insane realism. And no, I haven't fired a weapon in my life !
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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007 23:48    Post subject:
i love ur post VGAdeadcafe, it made me guffaw
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MAD_MAX333
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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007 23:49    Post subject:
ok agreed with the real life stuff about accurate bullets and what not... HOWEVER... when i have a AK47(oh whatever that gun that looks alot like a AK47) and you fire a short 2 or 3 buller burst at a guy 20 meters away... you should hit him a coule of time... i shouldn't have to crouch, fire one by one ...



which bring me to the real point of this post....

anyone has any links for these mods i keep hearing about? the accurecy mods and stuff... i think it just adds a tad more accurecy to make it more life like...

thanks
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VGAdeadcafe




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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007 23:55    Post subject:
MasterJuba wrote:
i love ur post VGAdeadcafe, it made me guffaw


Had to do a wiktionary search for "guffaw" !!!
I like it, I will signature something related for a while !
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Glottis
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PostPosted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007 23:55    Post subject: Re: pistol accuracy
ClifftonBeach wrote:
RE: pistol accuracy

I'd wager that 95% of people here couldn't "pick off" anybody from 25 meters IRL. Especially not at the rate of fire in the game. Most people would be lucky to get a single hit with slow deliberate concentrated aiming. The chances go up if you have some training, but it remains non-trivial. And this is all at 25 meters. 100? forget it.

People just don't understand how unstable a platform a pistol is. Short barrel (so short distance between rear and front sights) means any tiny deviation gets magnified as you go downrange. Some of that deviation comes from not having rock steady hands (no one does). That isn't actually a huge problem at 25 meters, but it is for longer distances. The real problem is pulling the trigger without moving the gun. It's doable with practice, but not as fast as clicking a mouse in the game. Pistols also kick (you're probably going to kick around 8-10 degrees each shot) requiring you to take a second to settle in to an aimed shot again (none of this firing as fast as you can pull a trigger/press a mouse button).

People have to get used to the idea that a pistol is ineffective at longer distances. You need a long weapon. Patches to increase accuracy of pistols are IMHO misguided.

Oh no, not another weapons obsessed weirdo. People like you always freak me out. You don't exactly have to be rocket scientist to learn how to shoot stuff with a gun, yet you act like you are god damn rulers of the universe. Most people have better things to do than learn how to shoot something 25 meters away with a pistol you know.


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VGAdeadcafe




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 00:00    Post subject:
MAD_MAX333 wrote:
ok agreed with the real life stuff about accurate bullets and what not... HOWEVER... when i have a AK47(oh whatever that gun that looks alot like a AK47) and you fire a short 2 or 3 buller burst at a guy 20 meters away... you should hit him a coule of time... i shouldn't have to crouch, fire one by one ...



which bring me to the real point of this post....

anyone has any links for these mods i keep hearing about? the accurecy mods and stuff... i think it just adds a tad more accurecy to make it more life like...

thanks


http://raven.is-a-geek.net/post/Stalker_WeapMod_v2.exe
it was back in page 41 or something
Raven also released a little mod tool around page 43
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Cohen




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 00:09    Post subject:
I got the shittest ending EVER:

 Spoiler:
 


troll detected by SiN
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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 00:10    Post subject:
that is the most kickass backfire of a wish ever hahahah
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Flowmo




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 00:24    Post subject:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
"finally its fixed.. the error was because of a modded .gba file that i installed on the server.. i found it here on the forum.. people said it was better.. but it was causing all the error messages. "

"in fact don't use ANY fix"

Of course it was causing all the error messages ffs, since you have altered your game files! Anyway, if anyone wants to tell me something please use PM, no more spamming the thread.


And BLAM, you totally missed the point. He's not bashing the mod you stupid ignorant fuck, he's just pointing out that when you use a mod it's not gonna work online! Also, my comment that you shouldn't use ANY fix, is about him stating only ONE mod you shouldn't use and i completed his statement.

Well thank you and now get on-topic.
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DJSatane




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 01:41    Post subject:
So in russia there is stalker patch out but nowhere else? Further, it seems that with every patch your save games will not work? Wow that would be a big no no for the developers. People who spent many hours wouldnt be able to load their saved games on patched game? Wow that would be shattering.
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KrAzY-KaMeL




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 01:52    Post subject:
Is the accuracy ridiculous in this game? Yes. I guarantee you guys could pop someone in the head with one shot out of 4 full clips from 20 yards away in real life. I crouched and unloaded 4 clips with short deliberate shots and watched the tracers fly in all sorts of strange directions.

Go to a shooting range, pay $30 and shoot a USP and you will realize it's not as hard as people make it out to be.

All the horrible aim does positively is make you play extremely cautiously and adds to the challenge. If this games shooting mechanics involved arcadey accurate bullet modeling then I guarantee everyone here would have been bored out of their mind with the game a long time ago.

There are just too many wide open spaces and long range situations for the Dev's to have made everything accurate. It adds depth to the game knowing you can't do a CS Deagle headshot from across the map. After you acclimate yourself to how different the gameplay is involving guns in this game it becomes pretty fun/entertaining.

I've never had to put so much effort in shooting a damn guy until this game came along, it's not as simple as putting the dot on his head. Laughing
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Van.Helsing




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 01:53    Post subject:
how did you figure out how to stop that damn invalid cd key error
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HoLyMaN




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 03:30    Post subject:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
http://raven.is-a-geek.net/post/Stalker_WeapMod_v2.exe
it was back in page 41 or something
Raven also released a little mod tool around page 43


OMG...installed it tried and it's totally crap...now i kill with 1 or 2 bullets and it became extreamly EASY!
anyway i can uninstall this mod?or i have to reinstall the game?
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VGAdeadcafe




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 03:40    Post subject:
HoLyMaN wrote:
VGAdeadcafe wrote:
http://raven.is-a-geek.net/post/Stalker_WeapMod_v2.exe
it was back in page 41 or something
Raven also released a little mod tool around page 43


OMG...installed it tried and it's totally crap...now i kill with 1 or 2 bullets and it became extreamly EASY!
anyway i can uninstall this mod?or i have to reinstall the game?


I and others liked it but whatever. It has kept a backup of your original gamedata.dba. So put it back.

EDIT: @ Flowmo : Too little too late. You're the one who missed the point, check my first post in this page and cry. And we went on-topic a while ago.
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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 05:58    Post subject:
EU patch:
http://www.fileplanet.com/175762/170000/fileinfo/S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:-Shadow-of-Chernobyl-Patch-%5BWorld-Wide%5D

US patch:
http://www.fileplanet.com/175763/170000/fileinfo/S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:-Shadow-of-Chernobyl-Patch-%5BUS%5D

Fileplanet can be quite slow due to the timelimit so i'll try and find new mirrors.

OLD SAVEGAMES ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THIS VERSION!
(Just so you know, can be kinda tough for those who patch near the end)

EDIT: FileFront mirror

US
http://stalker.filefront.com/file/STALKER_Patch_US_ONLY;77220

World
http://stalker.filefront.com/file/STALKER_Patch_World_Wide;77221

EDIT: Changelog.
 Spoiler:
 


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DeadByDawn




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 06:04    Post subject:
How can anyone claim the shooting is realistic, Its a game, half the conditions of shooting a gun can not even be taken into effect in this game, im laughing at the people that claim this is realistic, a pistol has an accuracy range of around 35m or so depending on pistol, i can hit enemys with the pistol better than i can with the assult rifle from alot more than 35ms away, there is little realism here.

Edit: One thing i might add, i'm not to far into the game so the feel changes' but so far, the shooting can feel just like any other fps.
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thudo




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 06:46    Post subject:
Near the end of this amazing game.. got the hidden code to get the BETTER ENDING. That patch list sounds like it useless to me. Nothing there that can really super-improve the mass enjoyment right now. Wink See ya guys @ the Main Reactor! Whhoohoooo!

Btw, the powerful sniper rifles ROCK!! Ping guys off from almost a km away!


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DJSatane




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 07:18    Post subject:
Is Unleashed version of Stalker US?
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JiGSaW
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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 07:26    Post subject:
Quote:
Saved Games

Please note that Saved games from previous versions will NOT work with the patch.
After installing this patch, please go to "C:Documents and SettingsAll UsersDocumentsSTALKER-SHOCsavedgames" and make sure any saves that were created prior to installing the patch are deleted.
You will need to make sure that hidden folders are visible on the view tab of the folder options menu.



Crap patch!
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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 07:34    Post subject:
Since the patch overwrites and adds files instead of patching them both should work but the one that corresponds with the games version is probably better or perhaps you'll get a error when using the wrong patch for the wrong version.

Anyway I used the world patch and it worked fine. Smile
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Da_Junka
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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 08:19    Post subject:
How do I get this no weight limit mod to work, when I click it just says not a windows exe file.
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mYslead




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 08:53    Post subject:
watergem wrote:
I got the shittest ending EVER:

 Spoiler:
 


are you serious?

 Spoiler:
 
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JBeckman
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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 09:01    Post subject:
Won't that just confuse him even more?

Ending spoiler:
 Spoiler:
 
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Evil Undead Dolphin
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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 09:51    Post subject:
about the mission "Meet the Journeman"...the wounded gay ask for medkit ...can I just butcher him with the knife and collect data , or I should save his life?
Can I play this game as psychopatyc killer?
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puxili




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 09:53    Post subject:
International Patch 1.0001 is released.

It fixes a lot of SP and MP Bugs.
(And it fixed my shitty performance Very Happy )

Get it from here:

http://www.oblivion-lost.de/ger/community/downloads/stk-WW-10001.exe
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KillaK




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 09:54    Post subject:
Evil Undead Dolphin wrote:
about the mission "Meet the Journeman"...the wounded gay ask for medkit ...can I just butcher him with the knife and collect data , or I should save his life?
Can I play this game as psychopatyc killer?


Yep. If you want a nice little challenge, attempt to slaughter the entire first town (where you start, and apart from the old guy underground as you can't hold a weapon when you're near him) without pissing them off.

Fact remains that you can kill whoever you want, as long as you can hold a weapon when you're near them.

And that guy you're talking about....... nothing better than killing a stuck pig. I do it alot.
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Parallax_
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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 10:10    Post subject:
DeadByDawn wrote:
How can anyone claim the shooting is realistic, Its a game, half the conditions of shooting a gun can not even be taken into effect in this game, im laughing at the people that claim this is realistic, a pistol has an accuracy range of around 35m or so depending on pistol, i can hit enemys with the pistol better than i can with the assult rifle from alot more than 35ms away, there is little realism here.

Are you gun nuts for real? Laughing Go out and shoot something in real life if you want that kind of realism. Laughing


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Vulture




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 10:33    Post subject:
puxili wrote:
International Patch 1.0001 is released.

It fixes a lot of SP and MP Bugs.
(And it fixed my shitty performance Very Happy )

Get it from here:

http://www.oblivion-lost.de/ger/community/downloads/stk-WW-10001.exe


No crack needed (for MP)?
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NecroViolator




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PostPosted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 10:53    Post subject:
And what about SP...
Crap need to Crack...
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