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 Posted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 15:34 Post subject: Some kind of weird punishment ? |
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 19:26 Post subject: |
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Thanks for sharing your sincere opinion to me ... the real problem is when the job is safe, they pay rather well, there are no extraordinaries and ... and ... uhm ... well ... the only negative thing is that ... without overstimating myself ... working with rather ignorant people ... very irritating ...
It's a relief counting on someone to share this things !!! 
There are only 10 kinds of people : those that understand binaries and those that don't.
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| Posted: Tue, 27th Mar 2007 21:17 Post subject: |
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Sounds to me like you'r from the US, that sure as hell doesn't sound european to me, but like i have stated before, the US is soon to be the next third world country, uneducated, out of funds, hated everywhere, poor people everywhere, extremely bad healthcare, .... list goes on but does not need to be completed I think you catch my drift. To the smart people in the US and yes they are still out there, be smart and make the most of what this decade still has to offer cuz after that you'r fucked.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2007 04:02 Post subject: |
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I'm not even going to pretend that I'm interested. But from your E/N - style of writing, I deduce that you are unhappy about something. If this is the case, consider suicide. Your life is shit, at least go out with some style. If you want, I could give you a brochure!
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2007 15:38 Post subject: |
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Hi Willy i'm with your opinion, let's try, with respect to others, to take all our life and time has to offer us.
Anyway ... i have to thank you because you just did me a very nice compliment. Thinking about me like an US guy, makes me proud of my progresses in the english language ... yeah right i'm not even from that continent eheh, probably because i like so much the english language and i read and write quite a ton of it everyday ... prolly with all these forums and talking i'm becoming a near US speaking (or better writing) man ?!
Since talking still more in english was one of my motives from coming here well thanks again !
If you want to talk a bit send me a pm, i'll glady respond you.
To PoorLeno, sorry but if my posts doesn't interest you i'm sorry, then simply don't read them. My complaining was about people that surround me, i think i chose the right sub-part of the forum for posting it.
Anyway thanks for all your salutes.
There are only 10 kinds of people : those that understand binaries and those that don't.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2007 15:42 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2007 08:37 Post subject: |
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Hi Eliz ahah that t-shirt si fantastic ! Where did u find it ???
OMG are u saying there are more dumb people than the cases i talked about ??? Wow then i should be happy to work with my genius colleagues ... argh
Yeah just like my boss some days ago when he was asking me if he needed the speakers to hear music from his new pc ... and i assure you that is not a joke ... at least it's really a joke but real ...
See u later ... let's begin another workin' day ...
There are only 10 kinds of people : those that understand binaries and those that don't.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2007 19:43 Post subject: |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6502725.stm
first step has already been reached of the evident and unavoidable decline of US culture, whats the next step;) With dumb fucks working for your business, no wonder you'r falling back in the technology race, look for starters at the top 100 cars in the world, there's not a single US car in that list, its all european and jap cars:) Same goes for food and cooking. On topic of food, where are people the healthiest, damn you must have read my mind, again its europe:LOL:
PS : I don't mind where you'r from, just like to state my opinion on that warmongering country that is the US, filled with fat and dumb fucks. Also I did not see you as someone from the US in regards to your writing skills, it was when you mentioned "dumb people" that I made that reference.
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2007 20:14 Post subject: |
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Most people aren't interested in their jobs, they just don't want to loose them.
They do whatever is necessary to not get fired, vegetating 8+hrs a day until they finally get home to their partner so they can yell at each other.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Mar 2007 15:46 Post subject: |
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Hi Willy, understood, anyway trust me, you could have the most fat people on average, but for dumb people i think it could be an interesting duel ...
Just like Sedolf says, sometimes i look around me and i see very very few people that work because they want to do something good, constructive, because they want to become good at doing something, they just sit on their fucking seats 8 hours a day, barely connecting their brains to do the most basic functions to not get fired !
Now i don't want to consider myself a "model" but wtf i'm always "on" with my brain, i like to learn, to find new, constructive, efficient ways of doing things, trying to understand everything that i do or use, hope to have given the idea.
Since i like computers i have studied and learned a bit of everything about it, from what's a bit to some programming language. And everyday i try to learn something new, an excel function or a cad update today, a new program or something else in vb tomorrow.
Then i look around me, in my company, where a 45 years old chief that claims to "know" to use pc, that uses it from 20 ? 30 ? years, is not fucking able to use its brain to resize an excel row after i already told it 10 times how to do it ???
These fucking morons are ruining the world ! And they are everywhere, more or less ! They have no desire to learn, no desire to concentrate, no desire to do nothing rather than passively "exist" !
Sooner or later we'll return to the dinosaur age !!!
There are only 10 kinds of people : those that understand binaries and those that don't.
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| Posted: Fri, 30th Mar 2007 16:17 Post subject: |
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Sometimes I think just like you... and it would be great when things could get easier and simpler, but we have to face the ugly truth... it ain't gonna happen! The world will be pretty ugly place, in the near future (it's not like it's any better now). Just because the people who are running the world through multinational companies ar sorry ass motherf... All we can do is try to fit in, or try to become like them so we wouldn't notice these problems as they wouldn't concerne us... Change is an ugly thing and no one, especially ones who posses wealth, will change if the current system works for them. It is bad, but you have to relax, sit back and laugh to those stupid people, knowing you are better than them...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Sat, 31st Mar 2007 11:11 Post subject: |
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Hey Dingo, yeah you are probably right, usually i try to convince myself that it's the only way to live in this world ... but sometimes it's just so difficult to accept some things, just like you say, that this is a world tailored for people different from me and many others that are like me and where those people have the "power" ... however i will never be like the mass, like my brainless colleagues or many of people i know, that pass the evening looking a magnificent stupid reality show just because they have nothing better to do ... argh no i won't never become so ...
I think i'll go on to sometimes get my blood boiling, but at the same time searching for people like me and as you say laughing inside myself at the stupidity of those people !
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| Posted: Sat, 31st Mar 2007 20:13 Post subject: |
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Hi swingman ... you have probably confirmed the best of the possible answers to my question about wtf i am doing in that place ... i'll fell no more "guilty" for taking some advantages from my position ...
Ehm ... btw ... i could have another problem however ... could you give me some advice about what to do other than reading tech magazines and articles, instant messaging, downoading things and posting here ... during worktime ???
Thanks to all !!!
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Sun, 1st Apr 2007 17:16 Post subject: |
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I would instigate the tendons, then retractuarate every possible zodanical so you don't get stuck proimbursecuting these dumb fucks. Its true, the gereen has been told but never has the grivilling been so diminished as when it was today. I honestly feel for you man, take these words to heart and revilnicate in them.
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2007 15:19 Post subject: |
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Hi nohouseforaname, i was hired to be part of the tech dept. Then i was left alone and become the tech dept itself, then i get involved in orders planning because of some of my colleagues ineptitude in even doing an excel table to track them, then in contacts with foreign people because my export colleague wasn't able to deal with them, then i became the system admin because i managed to resolve any pc-based disaster ... up to the point where i have so many things to do that i began understanding that doing 8 full hours of work or 6-7 hours of work a day doesn't change very much for the company ... but it change much for me ! Unfortunately 1-2 hours a day are a lot for doing some things (posting in a forum, a bit of chatting, reading some tech magazines and articles) but too few to fully invest in a specific field of my interest, for example learning some new programming language or improving the ones i know).
Anyway having that time still gives me a bit of oppurtunity to learn everyday a bit of something and freeing my mind in a nice way, in a much more enjoyable way from the moment i begun to having less and less "conscience" problems in taking advantage in all of this.
Don't worry, I will NEVER adapt myself to such vegetables level !
And you ? Are you living/working too in a similar ambient ??
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2007 19:38 Post subject: |
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| Reg67 wrote: | | Sedolf wrote: | Most people aren't interested in their jobs, they just don't want to loose them.
They do whatever is necessary to not get fired, vegetating 8+hrs a day until they finally get home to their partner so they can yell at each other. |
Fuc* that so depressing it makes me want to drink Bleach - But sadly so true  |
Yeah Reg i know i know but ... ehi maybe not bleach
Try some wine or similar ! Today while celebrating my birthday (yeah another year ! well i'm happy however of celebrating every year my birthday !!!) after a couple of glasses (i never drink so a glass for me is like 10 liters !) all of a sudden my dumb colleagues seemed very very smart !
Then after half an hour the effect vanished ...
Depressing
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| Posted: Mon, 2nd Apr 2007 21:11 Post subject: |
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| imaginary.number wrote: | | And you ? Are you living/working too in a similar ambient ?? |
Well, I work with computers (I'm a statistical analyst), but fortunately most of my colleagues are pretty smart. I think the biggest thing is, that of my entire team (10 people), 2/3 are under 30. Most of these people have used computers for a good part of their lives, so they actually get it. Since programming and statistics are such a big part of the job, you are pretty much guaranteed that your co-worker knows what they are doing.
I've worked in the past with some older people, especially some with very little practical knowledge of computing. Now that is indeed frustrating, especially explaining the little things. I remember once trying to explain the difference between a CSV and XLS file, and man did that not work out at all. I can't grasp how such a simple concept can be misunderstood, especially after you've explained it several times.
I figure you can tell how capable someone is by giving them a program that they've never used before and see how well they make out. Anyone with a moderate level of computer software should be able to pretty much figure it out without needing help or a manual.
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| Posted: Tue, 3rd Apr 2007 12:17 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | | Well, I work with computers (I'm a statistical analyst), but fortunately most of my colleagues are pretty smart. I think the biggest thing is, that of my entire team (10 people), 2/3 are under 30. Most of these people have used computers for a good part of their lives, so they actually get it. Since programming and statistics are such a big part of the job, you are pretty much guaranteed that your co-worker knows what they are doing. |
Very nice for you, it's a real plus to work today with colleagues in a range of age from 25-30 to 40-45 years.
Anyway sometimes you can't be very lucky even with that plus ... in the previous company where i worked (approximately for the same tons of mansions) i had in my office 5 out of 5 colleagues in the "plus" range, 4 with less then 30 years.
Just to make an example, one of my junior ones, that owed to me its work confirmation (i gave the "yes ok it seems ok for me") in a few months begun to answer me "i am not able to do that calculations, you make them" ... i was left without words ... no comment ...
Since he wasn't the only one that did these nice "things" in a few months i left the company.
At least now i have no colleagues that make the same work with me, not that it's much better but a bit at least yes.
| Quote: | | I've worked in the past with some older people, especially some with very little practical knowledge of computing. Now that is indeed frustrating, especially explaining the little things. I remember once trying to explain the difference between a CSV and XLS file, and man did that not work out at all. I can't grasp how such a simple concept can be misunderstood, especially after you've explained it several times. |
Oh man you make me happy with these words. (without beleving myself that good eh, i know humility quite a bit) Sometimes i fell like i'm telling everyone that they are dumb and idiot and seems that i consider myself a god-like being ! Instead i find very often involved in situations like the one you described with depressing results.
Seriously, we are not here speaking about people with problems that limit their mental capacity, i would never dare do such a disgusting thing, i'm speaking about people from 20-25 to 40-45 years, that use computers in some cases from more years than me !
How can you use something for years without even asking yourself "hey but how it works this thing ?". I am not a genious in any field but i know a bit or more in many fields, from electronics to physycs, from math to all the tech fields i got involved in the companies i worked with.
I think that many people just don't care about why things work, how things work, they just use and ask for help if they are not able to do something, i have asked to many computer enthusiast (at least they define themselves so) what's a bit ? Or to an electric specialist what's the ohm law ? Or to a pressure equipment expert what's a bar ? Many times they were not able to answer. Absurd.
Even simple concepts perhaps could be mastered if a bit of desire to understand them is applied.
Uhm ... well sometimes it's just a hopeless mission however and you have to catalog them just as dumb as an oak (with respect to oaks) as your examples.
| Quote: | | I figure you can tell how capable someone is by giving them a program that they've never used before and see how well they make out. Anyone with a moderate level of computer software should be able to pretty much figure it out without needing help or a manual. |
I totally agree with you. At least understanding what a program can do should be something doable by someone that think himself moderately expert of computers.
But i think too that he should be able to get the informations he needs for doing some basics level things with it exclusively with a manual and with an internet connection.
There is a world of knowledge out there, a bit of willpower and you can learn a world of things in any field.
But, to end this long post my friend, it's always a lot easier to ask to someone to resize a damned excel cell that trying to understand once and for all how to do it, don't you think so ?
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007 00:19 Post subject: |
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| imaginary.number wrote: | | Anyway sometimes you can't be very lucky even with that plus ... in the previous company where i worked (approximately for the same tons of mansions) i had in my office 5 out of 5 colleagues in the "plus" range, 4 with less then 30 years. Just to make an example, one of my junior ones, that owed to me its work confirmation (i gave the "yes ok it seems ok for me") in a few months begun to answer me "i am not able to do that calculations, you make them" ... i was left without words ... no comment ... Since he wasn't the only one that did these nice "things" in a few months i left the company. |
yeah for sure sometimes younger = less trained. although since an M.Sc. is a prerequisite for the lowest level job with the team I work on (which is my position  ), everyone seems to know their shit.
| imaginary.number wrote: | How can you use something for years without even asking yourself "hey but how it works this thing ?". I am not a genious in any field but i know a bit or more in many fields, from electronics to physycs, from math to all the tech fields i got involved in the companies i worked with.
I think that many people just don't care about why things work, how things work, they just use and ask for help if they are not able to do something |
I think you hit the nail on the head. I think many people are content with just plugging along without trying to actually understand what they are doing. But really, I'd still say that it is (or at least should be) the inquisitive people who end up moving along further in life, or at least enjoying their work more. Your career is really what you make of it, so it's really in your best interest to be interested in what you do
| imaginary.number wrote: | | But, to end this long post my friend, it's always a lot easier to ask to someone to resize a damned excel cell that trying to understand once and for all how to do it, don't you think so ? |
Have you ever heard the expression "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime”? Well, sometimes you're the fisherman, and you don't very well want to make yourself useless At least if you're role is the 'go-to' guy for computer problems, the company will realize you're indispensable and pay the price needed to keep you there
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| Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007 11:52 Post subject: |
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| imaginary.number wrote: | ...Just to make an example, one of my junior ones, that owed to me its work confirmation (i gave the "yes ok it seems ok for me") in a few months begun to answer me "i am not able to do that calculations, you make them" ... i was left without words ... no comment ... Since he wasn't the only one that did these nice "things" in a few months i left the company.
"nohouseforaname": yeah for sure sometimes younger = less trained. although since an M.Sc. is a prerequisite for the lowest level job with the team I work on (which is my position ), everyone seems to know their shit. |
Yes i understand that. However, what i wanted to express (sometimes i begin to write and after a slew of phrases i forget some basic ones  ) is the mental state of that subject. I mean, yes he was "under" me in the hierarchy, there were two of them, i was 28 years old, one was 22 and the other 26, and both of them just refused to learn ! They didn't want to get involved in understanding how to do something with me, all together like a team. Ok i can partly understand the 22 years old one, but at 26 years old (the other) there was an abyss from our mentalities. That is the point. The "no no i don't wanna learn 'cause i don't wanna use my brain and i don't wanna more responsibilities so that i will never get in trouble for errors on the higher level" mentality.
| Quote: | | I think you hit the nail on the head. I think many people are content with just plugging along without trying to actually understand what they are doing. But really, I'd still say that it is (or at least should be) the inquisitive people who end up moving along further in life, or at least enjoying their work more. Your career is really what you make of it, so it's really in your best interest to be interested in what you do |
Well that's a very bad way of passing one's life. Living without understanding what sorrounds you. This regards not only technology. It can be considered a very general talking.
And sometimes not being like that i just feel ... how can i express myself ... alone (no not in the dark  ) !
And what's worse, living surrounded by people with that mentality, sometimes (like in my case, without considering me like i already told very special) it's a stop to any career "upgrade". I mean, how can my work be correctly valued and understood by a damned idiot noob of a boss ???
He doesn't understand anything of what i do and probably anything of what he do (ahah) and thinks everything is "easy and just a few minutes work", how can he judge and understand how i am important for his company ?
But i already know the answer ... he will understand my work when i'll get enough of all of this and go away ... only then ...
| Quote: | | Have you ever heard the expression "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime”? Well, sometimes you're the fisherman, and you don't very well want to make yourself useless At least if you're role is the 'go-to' guy for computer problems, the company will realize you're indispensable and pay the price needed to keep you there |
In different forms but yes i already heard that expression.
In the last monhts/weeks i have understood that that's just what i have to do, my only option, make them understand that i am every day more valuble so that they will give me some advantages ... money, "freedom" of doing more and more what i want to do, probably both of them as time passes
And if my company won't close due to all of these dumb guys in it !!!
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