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LeoNatan
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Parallax, what kind of a PC do you have? 5 year old? It won't run Crysis @ 60fps, you know... 
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Apr 2007 16:53 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | Consoles can't handle this kind of graphics until the next-generation. |
I don't know how true that is. I've seen some trailers which rival Crysis in my opinion.
Besides, how can you predict how far the current concoles will progress.
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Apr 2007 18:30 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Parallax_ wrote: | | Consoles can't handle this kind of graphics until the next-generation. |
I don't know how true that is. I've seen some trailers which rival Crysis in my opinion.
Besides, how can you predict how far the current concoles will progress. |
i think that the main problem with concoles, is that you can't really upgrade the gpu or the cpu, and basicly ,what you have got when you pay for it is what you will got without the ability to upgrade - till the next gen concole, and with pc the pic is diffrent sometimes you can just buy better graphic card - or just add more ram or even just change cpu and your gaming expirience jump from 15 fps up above.
i do have presccot 3.2 ghz with 1024 ram and 6600GT.
the first item i am going to change is the graphic card from 6600GT into 8600 ultra or maybe 8800gts (i'll see prices and benchmarks when the 8600 will be out) and i will see how it works with the new card' if there will be and probs-i'll go for more ram probably.
i do think that my old cpu will be fine with better ram and better gfx card. |
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Apr 2007 18:30 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Parallax, what kind of a PC do you have? 5 year old? It won't run Crysis @ 60fps, you know... |
Which is why I'm going to upgrade before Crysis arrives, of course 
| AnimalMother wrote: | | I don't know how true that is. I've seen some trailers which rival Crysis in my opinion. |
Like which game? If you think Alan Wake will look the same on Xbox360 as on the PC, you're in for a big disappointment. |
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Apr 2007 19:15 Post subject: |
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Pfft, anyone stating DX10 quality can be achieved on a current-get console is just retarded, sorry! Open Google and see some videos and screenshots of DX10 in action, then come and ask to be forgiven! 
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Apr 2007 20:25 Post subject: |
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The technology behind a game means fuck all, it's how it looks and plays that matters. Compare the first PS2 games with what's come out towards the end of it's life and you can see how far a consoles graphics can progress.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Apr 2007 20:33 Post subject: |
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| pikachupi wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | | Parallax_ wrote: | | Consoles can't handle this kind of graphics until the next-generation. |
I don't know how true that is. I've seen some trailers which rival Crysis in my opinion.
Besides, how can you predict how far the current concoles will progress. |
i think that the main problem with concoles, is that you can't really upgrade the gpu or the cpu, and basicly ,what you have got when you pay for it is what you will got without the ability to upgrade - till the next gen concole, and with pc the pic is diffrent sometimes you can just buy better graphic card - or just add more ram or even just change cpu and your gaming expirience jump from 15 fps up above.
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it's true that you can't upgrade consoles... but that's not necessarily a disadvantage...
consoles need far less power to get the same result... as it's only ONE hardware-combo you need to optimize for... plus you don't have an OS like Windows in between the hardware and the game
| |IcedFreon| wrote: | | lol you're done wih the game? already ??????? jesus. ppl havent even finished downloading it yet |
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| Posted: Sat, 14th Apr 2007 20:40 Post subject: |
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| pikachupi wrote: | Crysis GDC 2007 Trailer :
http://www.gamershell.com/download_18716.shtml
looking very good..probably thr demo is on dual core 8800gtx and 2024 ram, but if the final product ' will look like this...i am going to upgrade;)
p.s-not sure if the trailer is new' but i saw it only today and i wanted to share. |
instead of having us download a video off a slow as hell server, why not just give us a link to the video directly?
High Def
None HD
and wtf, theres nothing new about this at all, I saw all this shit in a trailer about a month ago that I downloaded. Unless it was a leaked copy |
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poullou
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Apr 2007 00:23 Post subject: |
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[quote="pikachupi"][quote="AnimalMother"][quote="Parallax_"]Consoles can't handle this kind of graphics until the next-generation. [/quote]
I don't know how true that is. I've seen some trailers which rival Crysis in my opinion.
Besides, how can you predict how far the current concoles will progress.[/quote]
i think that the main problem with concoles, is that you can't really upgrade the gpu or the cpu, and basicly ,what you have got when you pay for it is what you will got without the ability to upgrade - till the next gen concole, and with pc the pic is diffrent sometimes you can just buy better graphic card - or just add more ram or even just change cpu and your gaming expirience jump from 15 fps up above.
i do have presccot 3.2 ghz with 1024 ram and 6600GT.
the first item i am going to change is the graphic card from 6600GT into 8600 ultra or maybe 8800gts (i'll see prices and benchmarks when the 8600 will be out) and i will see how it works with the new card' if there will be and probs-i'll go for more ram probably.
i do think that my old cpu will be fine with better ram and better gfx card.[/quote]
Your cpu won't do much. I have the same cpu and recently got a 8800GTS 640mb for future use(its a long story why I got this card but, trust me it was the best deal). It does little to nothing at source games(cpu limitation) but it runs fairly beautiful in oblivion with acceptable frames - 4AA, HDR, all settings to max, 1680x1050.
I'm saving now maybe until september(if I can hold on until then) to build a new system with Q6600 or whatever other quad core deal can give me a fair amount of "future proof". 
Edit: wtf with the quotes not working 
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Apr 2007 00:36 Post subject: |
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the point with a console si that u dont need to upgrade ure console. They make new game taht work on ure crapy console eny way. Just like Alan wake will come to 360 and pc, but to run it on pc u need more money then it takes to buy a 360 play it like it will play on a 360 on a pc.
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poullou
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Apr 2007 00:40 Post subject: |
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mmmm...I don't think consoles are cheaper these days if you add the new 40" HD tv for the best experience.
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Karmeck
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Apr 2007 00:51 Post subject: |
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| poullou wrote: | | mmmm...I don't think consoles are cheaper these days if you add the new 40" HD tv for the best experience. |
true, but then u dont need a hd tv, my friend dont have a hd tv but i dont see him crying then he play on his 360.
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poullou
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Apr 2007 02:39 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | Parallax_ wrote: | | Consoles can't handle this kind of graphics until the next-generation. |
I don't know how true that is. I've seen some trailers which rival Crysis in my opinion.
Besides, how can you predict how far the current concoles will progress. |
Their hardware has already been eclipsed. In another year, when the tools are mature to push current consoles to the breaking point, this hardware will be standard issue. The achilles hseel of consoles is the static hardware base. It is a blessing at launch, but begins to bite them in the ass every month that passes.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Apr 2007 06:18 Post subject: |
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yes but console weakness is also its strength - a preset uniform-among-all-systems set of systems specs... what works on 1 console will work on all... unlike pc's, which have such a massive wide range of components and setups with different levels of optimisation... pc game makers need to try to keep a relatively wide scope of potential players happy, and it must be said that some things can be compromised because of this, even when we have quality setting options... personally i dislike consoles, im a pc gamer through and through, but having one set of specs to design to, can yield some awesome results because you dont have to concider how powerful your markets machines are.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Apr 2007 08:07 Post subject: |
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IS this discussion still regarding crysis???
Or merely the same pc vs console
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Apr 2007 10:45 Post subject: |
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any idea about the mp and sp demos?? i read somewhere about june is this true
do you know anything???
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Apr 2007 10:47 Post subject: |
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I wonder how it will run on a 3Dfx Voodoo Rush 16MB card....
I will try..when it comes out.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Apr 2007 10:57 Post subject: |
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Their hardware has already been eclipsed. In another year, when the tools are mature to push current consoles to the breaking point, this hardware will be standard issue. The achilles hseel of consoles is the static hardware base. It is a blessing at launch, but begins to bite them in the ass every month that passes.[/quote]
What you are not taking into account is that the PS2 and Xbox were crap to start with, the PS3 and Xbox360 aren't. The graphics are quite good enough for HDTV so maybe gameplay will make a comeback? There must come a point where you can't significantly improve graphics so how are you going to sell a new console? Physics? My bet is that most peeps don't really get physics.
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| Posted: Sun, 15th Apr 2007 22:09 Post subject: |
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| Xenthalon wrote: |
The games released for the next gen consoles would easily run on a good PC, it wouldn't even have to be high-end (like dual GF8800GTX and 4gb ram or such). I think a Radeon x1800 would be sufficient.
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Thats easy to say because everyone just whines about bad optimisation if it doesn't. Regardless, many games that have come out on both the 360 and PC, looks better on the 360, especially if you have an x1800.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Apr 2007 10:18 Post subject: |
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| Xenthalon wrote: | | If you would play console games on the same resolution and from the same distance to the monitor that you have on the PC they would look crappy aswell. Distance does a whole lot about anti-aliasing and surface-smoothing. |
While that might have been true with previous generations consoles and the Wii, it just simply ain't for Xbox360 and PS3. I have played both on my 24" LCD, same as I use for my PC, as well as on a big screen (over 100") - and what you're saying is a bunch of bullshit.
How funny you mention WoW, because that looks like a big pile of stinking turd.
HL2?  They seriously need to update their outdated static light rendering methods.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Apr 2007 12:48 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | Xenthalon wrote: | | If you would play console games on the same resolution and from the same distance to the monitor that you have on the PC they would look crappy aswell. Distance does a whole lot about anti-aliasing and surface-smoothing. |
While that might have been true with previous generations consoles and the Wii, it just simply ain't for Xbox360 and PS3. I have played both on my 24" LCD, same as I use for my PC, as well as on a big screen (over 100") - and what you're saying is a bunch of bullshit.
How funny you mention WoW, because that looks like a big pile of stinking turd.
HL2? They seriously need to update their outdated static light rendering methods.
//morning rant over |
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