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javlar




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Apr 2007 06:55    Post subject: New monitor
During the past week or so my good old LG N2200P CRT-monitor have started to flicker and half-way turn itself off every now and then. Very annoying. It might just be my perception that is fooling me but i think the colors are starting to become grayer and grayer as well.

So it's time to invest. I dont really like TFT-monitors but it seems that im shit outta luck because no one seems to be selling CRT's anymore. At this moment I have some crappy 19 inch TFT for my movie/music-PC but i hardly use it, i mostly just use my 50 inch hdtv for that.

So my question is, what to look for when it comes to TFT? This will be my gaming-monitor so I'm not afraid to spend a little extra. If i understand correctly I should get as low MS as possible, but other than that i dont really know much.

My choices are pretty much as follows, either get a nice normal gaming-22inch or go fuck it all and get a 30-40incher. Sure it will probably cost me four times as much to get a 40inch but what the hell. However, is it worth investing in such a monitor at this point of time? Do they have what it takes to make me happy during the next couple of years? Or is it better to wait and buy a normal 20~ incher?



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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Apr 2007 09:52    Post subject:
Medium solution. Get a 24" that supports 1900x1200 Wink You already have a nice a 50" HDTV, why buy another ~40" for pc?

Check samsung and dell. Nice panels, good contrast ratio, colors, etc.

http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/samsung_syncmaster_275t_lcd_monitor/
http://www.behardware.com/articles/661-1/the-new-30-inch-monitors-dell-and-samsung.html

Fresh reviews, although for 30" and 27".


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s_hole




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Apr 2007 12:43    Post subject:
heh, i have the exact same problem
i hate the limited viewing angle, huge pixelsize and the fixed native resolution of a flat screen
i require;
GOOD color reproduction - especially proper blacks
uniform color distribution around the monitor, which change little from angle to angle (view angle related)
4:3 aspect ratio and/or a direct vertical multiplier of legacy resolutions - specifically 600 for 800x600 gaming (for old games, and no sense in wasting resources for games where visuals are not of importance)

so that would be a 1600x1200 resolution monitor (which is the minimum resolution i would use anymore)
but none of the local stores have ANY screens of those proportions, so i could check the quality myself
i'd hate to order one online, blind, trusting reviews

from what i've read, it's the underlying technology that governs all the other properties;
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javlar




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Apr 2007 14:44    Post subject:
Cheers Poullou Smile

I think i just needed to be talked out of getting a 40~ incher to be honest Very Happy

Will probably go for either a 24inch with 1900x1200 or possibly this http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Digital/LS22MEWSFVXAA.asp

The good 24 inchers are twice the price of the one i linked.. so, kinda hard to decide. Either go big and pricy now or go decent and cheap to wait for the next big "thing". The 22inch that I linked seems to have good specs too, 2ms and so on.



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poullou




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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Apr 2007 21:32    Post subject:
Good choice man Smile
This has the new 16.7 mil color panel, too.

I have the 205BW and it's really good. You can't go wrong with the latest syncmaster series.


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PostPosted: Wed, 18th Apr 2007 22:31    Post subject:
syncmaster 4 ms, or get an LCD TV.
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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Apr 2007 04:38    Post subject:
I have the Samsung 24 inch wide screen and couldnt be happier with the picture quality/color reproduction.
I am a professional digital artist and do a lot of graphic work and photo retouching so color reproduction is a high priority of mine.
It is also great for gaming. So I would give a thumbs up to the Samsung monitor.

An LCD TV is good if you want to play at 1300 x 700 ish which is still good... but I like my displays to be a little sharper than that mainly for my work... plus my 8800 GTX likes 1900 x 1200 Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Apr 2007 07:03    Post subject:
I know, I think Far Cry looks great on HD res Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Apr 2007 22:20    Post subject:
deelix wrote:
I know, I think Far Cry looks great on HD res Very Happy


Which HD Res you running it at? 720 p or 1080p?
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PostPosted: Fri, 20th Apr 2007 22:32    Post subject:
True HD is 1080p...
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Apr 2007 01:10    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
True HD is 1080p...


yeah but people refer to either one as HD without the distinction.

Regardless, if it is at 1080p I would imagine it looking pretty freaking good.
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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Apr 2007 08:49    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
True HD is 1080p...


I think yer refering to the sony marketing machine definition of HD, which is just used to sell more ps3 units(obviously not working very well).


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s_hole




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PostPosted: Sat, 21st Apr 2007 11:37    Post subject:
upstart_69 wrote:
I think yer refering to the sony marketing machine definition of HD, which is just used to sell more ps3 units(obviously not working very well).


that doesn't even make any sense



playing a game on 720p is silly as all already play nearly all games at a higher res than that (1280x720)
the whole "hd gaming" hastle is silly as people played even on 1080p and higher even before the whole concept of hd
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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Apr 2007 17:36    Post subject:
<< plays all computer games on a 37" 1080p monitor.

It owns.


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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Apr 2007 17:58    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
True HD is 1080p...
I know.. 720p. But still looks pretty OK.
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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Apr 2007 17:58    Post subject:
Of course if you have a 45" or below, it won't matter.


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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Apr 2007 19:59    Post subject:
Parallax_ wrote:
Of course if you have a 45" or below, it won't matter.


Incorrect. It actually has to do with distance from screen. Theres a chart on Cnet or something about detail pertaining to distance. I sit less than a foot away from my 37"


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PostPosted: Tue, 24th Apr 2007 20:02    Post subject:
The amount of pixels you can fit into a certain area is more plausible to me, but anyway. The bigger the screen the easier it is to notice the quality difference between 720p and 1080p.


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geneq




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PostPosted: Mon, 21st May 2007 20:44    Post subject:
sorry for digging up this topic but i didnt want to start another one on lcds.
i can only afford 19', not top or anything, after reading reviews and previous topics i decided to go for samsung, and found three similar 19' SMs: 931BW, 940BW, 940NW. which should i get? what is the difference between them? or maybe you have another suggestion it this price range? any help appreciated Smile


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poullou




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PostPosted: Mon, 21st May 2007 20:54    Post subject:
I think the higher the number the newer the model. BW means black widescreen but I don't know about NW. Some pages gave the same screen at least in the looks. Confused

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50001077+40000020+1309821317&name=19%22
may help a bit

P.S: I would go with widescreen for sure.


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PostPosted: Mon, 21st May 2007 21:34    Post subject:
thanks, the 906bw looks nice. now to find a shop which has one of them Wink


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PostPosted: Sat, 26th May 2007 19:51    Post subject:
yesterday i bought a Samsung 226BW



costs for me: 350 euro ($470)


lol much cheapers in the us:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001096


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PostPosted: Sat, 26th May 2007 20:49    Post subject:
skidrow wrote:
yesterday i bought a Samsung 226BW



costs for me: 350 euro ($470)


lol much cheapers in the us:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001096


Very Happy I've got the 19" model of that monitor, thing fuckin rocks.


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PostPosted: Sat, 26th May 2007 21:54    Post subject:
SpykeZ wrote:
skidrow wrote:
yesterday i bought a Samsung 226BW



costs for me: 350 euro ($470)


lol much cheapers in the us:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001096


Very Happy I've got the 19" model of that monitor, thing fuckin rocks.


Very Happy, i've got a 19"crt, so i wouldn't wanted to buy a 19" tft. So i bought this 22" widescreen instead Smile


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Zino




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PostPosted: Sat, 26th May 2007 22:17    Post subject:
skidrow wrote:
yesterday i bought a Samsung 226BW



costs for me: 350 euro ($470)


lol much cheapers in the us:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001096


Im thinking of buying that myself in a few weeks, it seems very good from what i have read. I have a 19" crt right now and i am really tired of it since if forces me to sit diagonaly at my small desk.

By the way, how is the viewing angels? Good picture in movies even though watching from lower left side a few meter from the screen? I have to know so i know that i can watch movies from my bed Smile
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PostPosted: Sat, 26th May 2007 23:33    Post subject:
Zino wrote:
skidrow wrote:
yesterday i bought a Samsung 226BW



costs for me: 350 euro ($470)


lol much cheapers in the us:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001096


Im thinking of buying that myself in a few weeks, it seems very good from what i have read. I have a 19" crt right now and i am really tired of it since if forces me to sit diagonaly at my small desk.

By the way, how is the viewing angels? Good picture in movies even though watching from lower left side a few meter from the screen? I have to know so i know that i can watch movies from my bed Smile


Depends how low.

3 mtr's or farther and about 60 cm down, the image is still pretty good.
Closer then 2 mtr and 60cm down the screen gets kinda dark.


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PostPosted: Sun, 27th May 2007 01:25    Post subject:
im also thinking about a new monitor or two, but heres my concern

id love to get an lcd, higher resolution, larger screen, beautifully crisp picture, but the thing that always bugs me about lcd is the fixed high resolution you have to run them at... it can tend to give you a really small window of visual excellence when it comes to games... i mean how likely is it that i can run crysis at 1920x1200 with a solid fps and quality up high? what about games a year from then? its seriously making me concider sticking with crt for gaming...


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s_hole




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PostPosted: Sun, 27th May 2007 06:53    Post subject:
i was really surprised in the non-native picture interpolation with my lcd i just got (lg l2000c - fairly amazing price/quality ratio)
it doesn't looks blocky at all like it used to
sure, it's not pixel-perfect
but i play games at any resolution of my choosing without having to cringe about the quality
the interpolation makes the image just a bit blurry, like crt image often is anyway
naturally the color production and viewing angles and resolutions will always be inferior to crt, and part of me wants it back, but i was really positively surprised about the amount of development in the quality recently
i think the thing to look out for in that monitor is that;
1. the panel is not shit.. google it up and read hardware forums
2. it allows interpolation of non-correct aspect ratio resolutions - especially old games only use 4:3, and most new ones only one kind of widescreen.. my screen won't scale anything that isn't 4:3 (1600x1200 native res)

i just wish the OLED and similiar technologies would just hurry up and get to the market and mature before i have to get a new screen
it'd really be the flat screen technology revoltion we've been waiting for, and only leave the native resolution on the table of disadvantages
oh, and possibility of individual pixel failure ofcourse.. better get from a brand/dealer that offer full pixel guarantee

another cool thing about the oled btw;
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PostPosted: Sun, 27th May 2007 07:12    Post subject:
skidrow wrote:
SpykeZ wrote:
skidrow wrote:
yesterday i bought a Samsung 226BW



costs for me: 350 euro ($470)


lol much cheapers in the us:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001096


Very Happy I've got the 19" model of that monitor, thing fuckin rocks.


Very Happy, i've got a 19"crt, so i wouldn't wanted to buy a 19" tft. So i bought this 22" widescreen instead Smile


Ya I kinda wish I got a bigger one but god, samsung's syncmasters arn't cheap lol. I mean I prob wouldn't notice that much a difference in 3 inches but it seems my native rez (1440x900) isn't as supported as the other higher widescreen rez's

btw, wtf are the drivers for that come with these monitors.


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PostPosted: Sun, 27th May 2007 08:21    Post subject:
skidrow wrote:
Depends how low.

3 mtr's or farther and about 60 cm down, the image is still pretty good.
Closer then 2 mtr and 60cm down the screen gets kinda dark.


Ok then it sounds like it should work, it is about 3 m away and 40 cm down and 1.5 m to the left.
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