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 Posted: Thu, 5th Jul 2007 21:55 Post subject: Anandtech's verdict: DX10 ain't pretty... |
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One of the few really reliable names in hardware/software reviews: Anandtech has done an in-depth analysis of Microsoft's latest "powerhouse" DirectX, and among other things have the below to say:
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For now, before we get into features and performance, we would like to temper your expectations. Many of the features currently implemented in DirectX 10 could also be done using DirectX 9. Additionally, those features that are truly DX10 only either don't add much beyond what we would get otherwise, or require quite a bit of processing power to handle. Thus, we either get something that was already possible or something that requires expensive hardware.
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Games which could absolutely only be done in DX10 won't hit for quite a while for a number of reasons. The majority of users will still be on DX9 platforms. It is logical to spend the most effort developing for the user base that will actually be paying for the games. Developers are certainly interested in taking advantage of DX10, but all games for the next couple of years will definitely have a DX9 path. It doesn't make sense to rewrite everything from the ground up if you don't have to. |
Additionally it seems nVidia outperforms ATi in DX10.
source: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3029&p=1
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| Posted: Thu, 5th Jul 2007 21:59 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Many of the features currently implemented in DirectX 10 could also be done using DirectX 9 |
 Software rendering can also do everything. So, why do we not use that anymore?
Software rendering FTW! |
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 05:54 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Quote: | | Many of the features currently implemented in DirectX 10 could also be done using DirectX 9 |
Software rendering can also do everything. So, why do we not use that anymore?
Software rendering FTW! |
Hmm the glass is either full or empty with you isn't it?
DX10 is surely no technological marvel, and it 'should' have been a point release for dx9 but as Microsoft are in the business of selling both operating systems and supplying api's, we have dx10 today and not dx9.1 |
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 08:45 Post subject: |
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Current benchmarks with available 'DX10' titles are completely pointless, in all cases DirectX 10 was just tacked on to increase sales and generate hype, the drivers are extremely immature and so is the version of DX10 provided with Windows. Future games built ground up with DX10 will be a far better indication as to what it is capable of fps wise and graphically . . .
I'll reserve my judgement for when real DX10 games and matured drivers are available.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 17:09 Post subject: |
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Well, waiting for something to become something is one thing. In this case if the majority of the public doesn't go for VISTA (which it's looking like), the game developers just won't care for making VISTA-exclusive titles. They're after the consumers, not the fanbois who cream their pants from watching pics of Mr. Gates.
Right now there's no reason to go for VISTA, no games make it worth changing to a platform that simply doesn't perform as well as another in 98% of the cases.
DX10 right now is a big *shrug*.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 18:58 Post subject: |
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sooo...business is business, whats the prob. Why make anything new in that case, we should still be using ATARI TV Consoles if I follow your reasoning...or?
Well maybe the majority at NFOrce is not going for VISTA, why should they, every XP fan boy that don't have the gear for it, 80% or so, say its crap cause they cant afford a descent system to run it. Basically all "NEW" PC's are sold with VISTA now, so why do you think that the devs will not make games for it...???
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 19:01 Post subject: |
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I bet you were the 'smart' dudes that said SM3.0 has no advantage over SM2.0.  I went a step ahead and asked "why the need of 3d acceleration at all when software rendering allows to do so much more?"
Anyway, I remember the same dumb talk when DX9 was announced together with the nV FX line of cards (and it was only SM2.0 back then). People said it was just so nV could release new cards out. Right...
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 19:04 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 19:20 Post subject: |
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| CaptainCox wrote: | sooo...business is business, whats the prob. Why make anything new in that case, we should still be using ATARI TV Consoles if I follow your reasoning...or?
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What has atari tv consoles got to do with this argument. The reasons for not selecting VISTA go beyond DirectX, but it's the latter we're discussing right now.
DirectX10 clearly doesn't deliver, and what will happen in the future is open to discussion. If we look at how it is today, you will notice that the majority of the PC owners aren't upgrading to VISTA. Simply because VISTA/DirectX doesn't make their games better, it makes them handle worse. Why on earth would you install a resource-hog if gaming performance is what you're after? Why waste performance on an OS that performs worse than it's predecessor today?
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Well maybe the majority at NFOrce is not going for VISTA, why should they, every XP fan boy that don't have the gear for it, 80% or so, say its crap cause they cant afford a descent system to run it. Basically all "NEW" PC's are sold with VISTA now, so why do you think that the devs will not make games for it...??? |
I choose XP because hardware and software performs best on it. Consumers who apply logic to their decisions do the same.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 20:54 Post subject: |
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Like it or not Vista is making inroads into the average consumers household and will likely be mainstream within two years.
From my experience most people don't upgrade and maintain their computers, so after two or three years of abuse XP runs sluggish and they think their PC is obsolete so they go out and buy a new computer from PC World which will come with Vista pre installed.
I think it's the enthusiast and the professional markets Microsoft is having issues penetrating.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 21:02 Post subject: |
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That's two years though... A LOT can happen in that time.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 21:04 Post subject: |
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Sad...you guys never even tried have you...well lets burn the witch and be gone with it. The Dinosaurs died out to...so will XP...sooner then later, then you can beatch all you want when all the "GOOD" games are DX10 only 
Performs best  get a propper rig and step in to now, stop living in the past man.
Ever played Lost Planet (DX10) on VISTA?...I thought so.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 21:36 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Software rendering FTW! |
actually, computers are getting powerful enough these days to just do plain raytracing rendering in software with atleast equal visual quality, with pixel precision as additional bonus as you don't have to cut corners with polycounts and shit
and with more cpu cores coming, it's a direct addition to render speed
i do hope some developer picks up on this and do a proper voxel engine for a change
i'm sick of the filtered smoothness of every single game
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 22:02 Post subject: |
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I know, and I'm all for it. Just like the physics cards are unnecessary, so are video cards in the long run. It is my belief that in 2-3 years, they will be obsolete.
OK, maybe 5-6 years, but it will happen eventually.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 22:19 Post subject: |
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| CaptainCox wrote: | Sad...you guys never even tried have you...well lets burn the witch and be gone with it. The Dinosaurs died out to...so will XP...sooner then later, then you can beatch all you want when all the "GOOD" games are DX10 only
Performs best get a propper rig and step in to now, stop living in the past man.
Ever played Lost Planet (DX10) on VISTA?...I thought so. |
I already explained a few months back I ran VISTA, and my impressions were less than good.
Dinosaurs? I'll try to attempt a similarly misrepresentative metaphor: Head in the clouds, head in the sand, see no evil, hear no evil...
I got a proper rig, and XP outperforms VISTA on it, because the OS doesn't take as much of the resources, and the driver's aren't still in beta.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 22:21 Post subject: |
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You, see now you are lying! Vista works better as a whole on newer rigs, so there, caught you.
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 22:39 Post subject: |
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The witch is thoroughly burned...what are you gonna go after next...
I have had 0 problems with VISTA...why? Cause I have a rig that can handle it!...your so full of it U float. Whatever, stick to your dated crap and be a happy chappy. That's all that matter in the end, isn't it 
I will keep running all games on full settings here, and when there is new HW out I get that...why? cause I like to run the best there is...at the mo!
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| Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007 23:48 Post subject: |
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I didn't say anything about games. I said overall. Games is nV's fault and greatly resent them for it, although games now run almost at the same speed.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Jul 2007 00:22 Post subject: |
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Out of interest what are your specs dominae?
On my previous rig (Athlon 3400+ 1GB ram & X800XT AGP) I dual booted and gaming performance was very bad in Vista around 45% slower in CSS. So I stuck with XP as my main OS as it was far more efficient with 1GB of ram whereas Vista was a real resource hog.
On my newly built system (Core2Duo e4300 @ 3.4Ghz, 2GB Ram & Geforce 8800 GTX) I lose only around 5-8 fps in most games in Vista X64 which is negligible as it runs most of them at 80fps+ on maximum settings.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Jul 2007 03:30 Post subject: |
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The point here is, you lose performance... a new version should perform better, not worse. Catch my drift?
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Jul 2007 09:37 Post subject: |
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this is why i wait for new systemconfig.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Jul 2007 13:08 Post subject: |
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...it still won't perform better than XP.
What is it with current Vista users and this mantra regarding the need for a powerful setup. Those who don't have a good setup apparently are not able to run Vista and that's why they are complaining ( ). It's nonsense.
- Install XP
- Install Vista
- run performance tests on your favourite games (that are compatible with Vista) on both setups
- uninstall Vista
You can have the most powerful computer known to man and the same problem will exist; "The point here is, you lose performance... a new version should perform better, not worse. Catch my drift?"
I will look at Vista in one, maybe two years time and then make a decision. Only those who wish to brag about having a PC capable of running it will bother using it now. Those with more mindful designs will stay clear for the time being.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Jul 2007 13:17 Post subject: |
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Oh, so performance of an OS is only measured with games?
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| Posted: Sat, 7th Jul 2007 13:20 Post subject: |
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No, but it's certainly the most pertinent when the gulf of difference between OS is so large in that respect.
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