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 Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2007 21:25 Post subject: Forget about DirectX 10 - Introducing DirectX 10.1 Preview |
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| Quote: | Forget about Windows Vista's DirectX 10, Microsoft is delivering a preview of DirectX 10.1 associated with the first service pack for the operating system. The Direct3D 10.1 Tech Preview is an integer part of the August 2007, DirectX Software Development Kit, and is designed to provide the evolution of the current Direct3D 10.0. Version 10 of DirectX, available exclusively via Windows Vista, includes Direct3D. In this context, Microsoft revealed that the Direct3D 10.1 Tech Preview is connected with Vista SP1, but the company failed to provide a timetable for the
availability of the service pack.
"The Microsoft Direct3D device driver interface (DDI) is a graphics interface that allows vendors to provide hardware acceleration for Direct3D. The interface is flexible, allowing vendors to provide Direct3D acceleration according to hardware capabilities. Driver writers implement the Direct3D DDI as an integral part of the display driver," Microsoft described.
"Direct3D 10.1 is an incremental, side-by-side update to Direct3D 10.0 that provides a series of new rendering features that will be available in an upcoming generation of graphics hardware. TextureCube Arrays which are dynamically indexable in shader code. An updated shader model (shader model 4.1). The ability to select the MSAA sample pattern for a resource from a palette of patterns, and retrieve the corresponding sample positions. The ability to render to block-compressed textures. More flexibility with respect to copying of resources. Support for blending on all unorm and snorm formats," reads Microsoft's description of the Direct3D 10.1 Tech Preview.
The Redmond company has repeatedly denied speculations that it will backport DirectX 10 to Windows XP, and additional rumors of third-parties delivering Vista's graphics technology to older versions of Windows, or in the context of DirectX 9 and lower hardware. While Windows Vista is closing in on its six months of availability on the market, Microsoft estimates that in excess of 10 million gamers have upgraded to Windows Vista just to reek in the benefits of DirectX 10. The latest statistics from Redmond reveal that Vista sold over 60 million licenses from January 30.
Still, the Direct3D 10.1 Tech Preview will only come in handy after the re-release of Vista SP1. Currently, Microsoft admitted that a private beta of the service pack is under way, and that a public beta will follow at an unspecified date later this year. "This tech preview provides an early look at these features and the handful of new APIs that support them. The August 2007 Direct3D 10.1 Tech Preview requires the Windows Vista SP1 Beta which will be available to MSDN subscribers once it is publicly released," Microsoft added. |
cf. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Forget-about-DirectX-10-Introducing-DirectX-10-1-Preview-for-Windows-Vista-SP1-61398.shtml
| Quote: | Direct3D 10.1 Features
Full anti-aliasing control
* Application control over:
o Multi-sample AA (smooth edges)
or
o Super-sample AA (smooth edges and interior)
o Selecting sample patterns
o Pixel coverage mask
+ High-quality vegetation, motion blur, particles…
* Minimum of 4 samples/pixel required
Direct3D 10.1 Features
Increased pipeline and shader capability
* Improved shader resource access
o Greater control over MSAA readback
+ Custom downsample filters
o Improved shadow filtering
o Float32 filtering requirement
+ Better HDR
* Enhanced blending
o Independent blend modes per-rendertarget
o New blend-able rendertarget formats
* Increased pipeline precision
Direct3D 10.1 Features
Performance enhancements
* Enable applications to further exploit
multicore for rendering
* Fewer API calls for reflections and refractions
o Support for indexable, generalized cubemap arrays
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cf. (powerpoint) http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/b/9/5b97017b-e28a-4bae-ba48-174cf47d23cd/PRI022_WH06.ppt
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2007 22:15 Post subject: |
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Well from what I heard SP1 is not due until next year 
But SCHWEET ! all the same. Thanks for the heads up man!
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2007 22:19 Post subject: |
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Getting "some" new stuff this Xmas...as always. Prob is...what will it be 
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2007 22:25 Post subject: |
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Sounds a bit fishy to me that this will not be a software update, but rather only available on new cards.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2007 23:02 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | Sounds a bit fishy to me that this will not be a software update, but rather only available on new cards. |
Direct 3D 10.1 Design imperatives:
"Incremental Hardware and software update to direct3d 10"
"API support for Direct3D 10 and 10.1 Hardware"
Page n°29 of the above mentioned powerpoint.
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 05:22 Post subject: |
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Opengl 3.0 already supports these things, that means so does the hardware, this looks like a clever scheme to sell more hardware 
Which they "AMD, Nvidia" will, and I will be buying too if only for the more brute force in even newer cards.
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 05:31 Post subject: |
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I can't understand why everyone is so thrilled about Dx10/Dx10.1/whatever. It's all possible with Dx9 if you really want to, I haven't seen any actual performance increases and add the fact that Vista sucks donkeyballs in every possible way.
Fucking outrage that they FORCE you to use Vista for some fucking software... AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
XP FTW.
I can barely wait for the day when MS really gets WGA going for real (like you-cant-use-your-pirated-windows-anymore) and Linux rules the world... MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Corporate asses...
Behold his GLORY! Bow for the technical master!
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 05:32 Post subject: |
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| kosmiq wrote: | I can't understand why everyone is so thrilled about Dx10/Dx10.1/whatever. It's all possible with Dx9 if you really want to, I haven't seen any actual performance increases and add the fact that Vista sucks donkeyballs in every possible way.
Fucking outrage that they FORCE you to use Vista for some fucking software... AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
XP FTW.
I can barely wait for the day when MS really gets WGA going for real (like you-cant-use-your-pirated-windows-anymore) and Linux rules the world... MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Corporate asses... |
Why DX7/8/9? It's all possible with software rendering if you really want to. |
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 07:00 Post subject: |
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| kosmiq wrote: | I can't understand why everyone is so thrilled about Dx10/Dx10.1/whatever. It's all possible with Dx9 if you really want to, I haven't seen any actual performance increases and add the fact that Vista sucks donkeyballs in every possible way.
Fucking outrage that they FORCE you to use Vista for some fucking software... AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
XP FTW.
I can barely wait for the day when MS really gets WGA going for real (like you-cant-use-your-pirated-windows-anymore) and Linux rules the world... MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Corporate asses... |
and what exactly are your issues with vista?
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 15:19 Post subject: |
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| SirSmokesAlot wrote: | | kosmiq wrote: | I can't understand why everyone is so thrilled about Dx10/Dx10.1/whatever. It's all possible with Dx9 if you really want to, I haven't seen any actual performance increases and add the fact that Vista sucks donkeyballs in every possible way.
Fucking outrage that they FORCE you to use Vista for some fucking software... AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
XP FTW.
I can barely wait for the day when MS really gets WGA going for real (like you-cant-use-your-pirated-windows-anymore) and Linux rules the world... MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Corporate asses... |
and what exactly are your issues with vista? |
Copy protection in its core architecture that doesnt benefit the user, but only the content-industry and makes your system slower without adding functionality. Look here for a good summary: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html |
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 16:34 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html |
w00t !!!
What is the meaning of all this, Leo ? Is this for real ? Even the technical master is baffled ...
w00t !!!
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 17:03 Post subject: |
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Before vista was released i feared that drm and the trusted computing nonsense would be fucked up, and if consumers unquestioningly buy vista and the next windows, it will only get worse than what we got with vista already. That article is really good and i cannot see how anybody can see vista positively apart from DirectX10 (which they also could have released for xp if they didnt want to forcefeed all of us with their content protection crapola)
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 20:27 Post subject: |
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Use Linux instead and just play the newer games on xp, that works fine for me.
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 22:21 Post subject: |
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| Epsilon wrote: | | Use Linux instead and just play the newer games on xp, that works fine for me. |
I'm using Linux more and more, however I do want Dx10 so I hope they'll finish the port of it soon, atleast before crysis hit the street... 
Behold his GLORY! Bow for the technical master! |
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 23:06 Post subject: |
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Thought they fixed the HD problem... I thought they fixed a lot of those problems... Ah well who gives a shit.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2007 13:03 Post subject: |
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| tainted4ever wrote: |
Thought they fixed the HD problem... I thought they fixed a lot of those problems... Ah well who gives a shit. |
Even IF they did fix "that" - which i dont really care about - it is a gross understatement to name it "the hd problem", as the whole system is designed with paranoia in mind. Which leads to much lower performance in many areas, as alot of stuff is unneccessarily encrypted and passed through security layers... |
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2007 00:35 Post subject: |
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Ok, so am I to assume that all current hardware that everyone is buying now just for the few DX10 games that'll get released later this year, will be obsolete by mid next year? Forcing you all to upgrade to the latest hardware AGAIN? All in the time span of roughly 1 year?
No one sees a problem with this?
i can has computar?!
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Epsilon
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| Posted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2007 01:13 Post subject: |
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| nightlith wrote: | Ok, so am I to assume that all current hardware that everyone is buying now just for the few DX10 games that'll get released later this year, will be obsolete by mid next year? Forcing you all to upgrade to the latest hardware AGAIN? All in the time span of roughly 1 year?
No one sees a problem with this? |
It 'is' both good and bad, good because the more money that flows around to develop 3d hardware the more advanced it will get and thus more is possible in both embedded devices and in the games we so like to play.
Bad because a lot of developers seem to think that graphics makes a game, it doesn't.
Graphics should be seen as a way to make the illusion you create as a game developer "believeable" thus you will have an easier time immersing the player in this illusion you've created.
Now if this "world/illusion" is a boring place meaning the gameplay or the whole essence/soul of the game sucks then the advanced shader 4.0 and per pixel mapping and refraction don't really mean anything.
So the question is do the positives outweigh the negatives?, I probably can't give a full answer to this but I believe they do, I like that game that comes out once every 4 months or so that simply blows me away, I don't really care for the rest of the clones with fancy graphics and not much soul.
It's nice to look at a hot woman but if she's not able to discuss ethics or be able to engage in a deeper discussion with me then I don't much care for her looks either 
It has to be a mix that makes games and women(and men for they gays and women on the boards) worth spending time with. |
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Aug 2007 07:34 Post subject: |
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......add the fact that Vista sucks donkeyballs in every possible way.
dude you are an idiot
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Aug 2007 09:29 Post subject: |
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| romul22 wrote: | i am using vista ultimate 32 bit,6600,8800GTS with 162.15 driver,4GB of RAM.
playing it on 1680x1050 with everything on highest possible but shadows on medium |
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Aug 2007 14:21 Post subject: |
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| $en$i wrote: | | romul22 wrote: | ......add the fact that Vista sucks donkeyballs in every possible way.
dude you are an idiot |
Firstly Directx 10.1 will be released along service pack 1 thus there is hope for improvement, secondly learn to tweak an OS, thirdly what's the purpose and who are you aiming with your lame gratuitous insult?  kthxbye. |
i guess you havent read the above link of mine: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
if you like your system fully DRMed and hardware producers and developers forced to go with it, it is your choice. I d rather give up gaming and finally switch fully to a *nix |
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Aug 2007 22:08 Post subject: |
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well, the hardware manufacturers poor driver support is a broken-by-design problem of vista. Their paranoid driver architecture is the culprit here, not nvidia or ati...
i ll stay with xp
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