just about every film these days get 'uncut' releases on dvd, and usually those versions are pretty rubbish and dont add anything... no doubt all tarantino and rodriguez did, was re-add all the crap they thought was pointless, just to lengthen the runtime... saying its 'uncut' doesnt really impress me... no, the reason the project was CALLED grindhouse, was because it was intended to be one single movie experience, thats how it was presented to the americans who paid once to see both films, then they split it up into two seperate films, added in random low grade rubbish to beef up the runtime, and marketed them as two seperate films to rake in twice the money
people will sit through a 3 and a half hour movie, as you pointed out, thats pretty much what the lotr movies were in their uncut form, so no, i dont really buy that excuse.. if that were the case, new line would have insisted jackson split the 3 lotr films into 6... hell, they might have, but he probably told them to take a flying jump.
IF it was nothing more than a runtime issue being the reason ONE film was split up, then surely it would make sense and be seen as only fair, if a movie goer could purchase a kill bill set of tickets for 1 and a half price of a film... but the lack of any such deal shows that it WAS purely about maximising profit... its just unacceptable to charge people twice to see one film... well it is in my book... i dont expect you to agree or understand, but i just dislike producers and distributers screwing over consumers... you see this crap all the time with constant double dipping on film releases designed purely to screw people over.
look, i know movie making isnt a charity, its only about the money for most directors/producers... thats why we generally get so many lazy and shit films so i appreciate tarantino wanting to maximise the amount of money his films make, so that he can get bigger budgets for future films and make more money for himself.. i get it... i just dont like his approach, and so wont pay money for his films, thats all.
just about every film these days get 'uncut' releases on dvd, and usually those versions are pretty rubbish and dont add anything... no doubt all tarantino and rodriguez did, was re-add all the crap they thought was pointless, just to lengthen the runtime...
this 113 minute version isn't even as long as the one Tarantino brought to Cannes, so I doubt it is just extra filler
Quote:
During editing, Tarantino and Rodriguez came up with the idea of inserting "missing reels" into the film. "[Quentin] was about to show an Italian crime movie with Oliver Reed," Rodriguez recalls, "and he was saying, 'Oh, it's got a missing reel in it. But it's really interesting because after the missing reel, you don't know if he slept with a girl or he didn't because she says he did and he says that he didn't. It leaves you guessing, and the movie still works with 20 minutes gone out of it.' I thought, 'Oh, my God, that's what we’ve got to do. We've got to have a missing reel!' I'm going to use it in a way where it actually says 'missing reel' for 10 seconds, and then when we come back, you're arriving in the third act. [...] The late second acts in movies are usually the most predictable and the most boring, that's where the good guy really turns out to be the bad guy, and the bad guy is really good, and the couple becomes friends. Suddenly, though, in the third act, all bets are off and it's a whole new story anyway."[8]
On the editing of Death Proof, Tarantino stated "There is half-an-hour's difference between my Death Proof and what is playing in Grindhouse. [...] I was like a brutish American exploitation distributor who cut the movie down almost to the point of incoherence. I cut it down to the bone and took all the fat off it to see if it could still exist, and it worked."[6] An extended, 127-minute version of Death Proof was screened in competition for the Palme d'Or at the 60th Cannes Film Festival.[6][18][19][20] Tarantino is quoted as saying "It works great as a double feature, but I'm just as excited if not more excited about actually having the world see Death Proof unfiltered. [...] It will be the first time everyone sees Death Proof by itself, including me."[6]
also reading that you can tell that these guys really wanted the Grindhouse concept to work, but sadly it didn't. it cost a shitload to produce, and flopped. the reasons for the split is all here, right from the producer's mouth taking credit for splitting them up:
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/what-went-so-wrong-with-grindhouse
i dunno what was big fuzz all about this one but all that chick talk just bored me to death
i had to skip till moments when there was something actually goin on, realy overdone with all that chit chat like in KB2 which was extremely boring
You do realize the dialogue is what makes Tarantino´s movies different,right?
That´s like saying a John Woo film has too much shootings or a Michael Bay film has too much explosions...
correction... dialogue is what used to make his movies different... he had some great shit in his earlier films, but lately the discussions the characters have arent very clever or deep, their generally pretty average... kevin smith is a far better 'word-smith' than tarantino is.
the reason the project was CALLED grindhouse, was because it was intended to be one single movie experience, thats how it was presented to the americans who paid once to see both films, then they split it up into two seperate films, added in random low grade rubbish to beef up the runtime, and marketed them as two seperate films to rake in twice the money
Again - they = producers & movie studios
This is not Tarantino and/or Rodriguez being greedy, get over it.
meh whatever you say, not interested enough to keep going, but the weinsteins wouldnt do shit to tarantinos project without his approval... doesnt matter in the end though
and i dont think i ever said rodriguez was being greedy, just tarantino.
this isnt anything to get over... i dont appreciate his work ethic, so i wont pay for his films, thats the solution
You do realize the dialogue is what makes Tarantino´s movies different,right?
That´s like saying a John Woo film has too much shootings or a Michael Bay film has too much explosions...
i do and my favorite was Pulp Fiction but this just empty chit chat and actors pfftt
the only one who even deserves remote respect is Kurt everyone esle were just along for the ride realy
just watched Death Proof and fuck this movie is retarded. The car crash and the car chase are fuckin awesome but the rest of the movie sucks. Its like watching the talk show The View where dumbass bitches yapping shit.
i fucking hope so. need something to get the taste of that lame piece of shit death proof out of my mouth... god damn that was a fucking horrible movie. every aspect of it fucking stunk, if i didnt know it was a tarantino film, id swear it was a student film project or some shit.... probably was, tarantino was just lazy and said fuck it, ill give some students 200 bucks and just slap my name on whatever they come up with...
just watched planet terror, really funny movie much better that death proof (it was good too, but only when girls didnt talk stuff about pretty much everything).
People who don't like the "talking" parts of Death Proof completely missed the point of the movie. So much of what is said during the "talking" parts is actually incredibly well-structured foreshadowing, which is the entire foundation of this movie. I guess the average movie-goer these days is just too attention-deficit and has too short of an attention span, because the subtleties of Death Proof really seem to go over everyone's heads. I guess there just aren't enough explosions in it, or something. It's a shame that this incredible movie has become so misunderstood and under-appreciated.
Actually, there is currently no HD-DVD release scheduled for either Planet Terror or Death Proof, so don't hold your breath on that one.
who would wanted to have hd of something that has stripes and old movie effect all over the screen, this film deserves no more than regular dvd quality
People who don't like the "talking" parts of Death Proof completely missed the point of the movie. So much of what is said during the "talking" parts is actually incredibly well-structured foreshadowing, which is the entire foundation of this movie. I guess the average movie-goer these days is just too attention-deficit and has too short of an attention span, because the subtleties of Death Proof really seem to go over everyone's heads. I guess there just aren't enough explosions in it, or something. It's a shame that this incredible movie has become so misunderstood and under-appreciated.
that is such a giant load of shit. the dialogue wasnt at all clever or well structured, especially when you compare it to everything tarantino has done before... and im not saying i expected this film to be GOOD like his older stuff, but hes proven he can write dialogue, so theres no excuse for the lazy half-assed job he did in this film especially given that the dialogue was the FOCUS.
i dont MIND talking movies, i dont HAVE to have nonstop violence or action, but fucking come on, if your going to have a talking movie, the dialogue should atleast be witty, clever, INTERESTING... the film, and the dialogue for that matter, were none of those things.
this is not a misunderstood film, and we are all not mindless action junkies. death proof was just plain useless on every level.
people thought the grindhouse venture failed because of poor marketing... it becomes apparent that the thing failed because death proof was completely boring and poorly made, even given that it was purposely a tacky b-movie... just remains to be seen if planet terror is atleast good, or if its more of the same as tarantinos turd.
the ONLY good bits in this film, was every bit of dialogue kurt russel had... but thats mainly down to the mans delivery
People who don't like the "talking" parts of Death Proof completely missed the point of the movie. So much of what is said during the "talking" parts is actually incredibly well-structured foreshadowing, which is the entire foundation of this movie. I guess the average movie-goer these days is just too attention-deficit and has too short of an attention span, because the subtleties of Death Proof really seem to go over everyone's heads. I guess there just aren't enough explosions in it, or something. It's a shame that this incredible movie has become so misunderstood and under-appreciated.
We really didn't get 'it' when we watched the movie, whatever 'it' was. To me it sounded like a bunch of women pretending to be teenagers with only boys on their minds. The fact that they were behaving like dikes doesn't make them any more mature.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that because you were entertained by that level of dialogue you understand something we don't. Actually the fact that you found it engrossing says a lot about you and none of it's positive.
The only part of the dialogue that was a bit interesting was when Stuntman Mike was chatting up the girl at the bar and later the other bimbos. Led me to believe that he would somehow get himself invited to the cabin or something and work out an elaborate plan to kill them off. That hope was soon shattered too.
So I suggest you run off to imdb and try to impress the people there with your understanding of this movie.
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so i appreciate tarantino wanting to maximise the amount of money his films make, so that he can get bigger budgets for future films and make more money for himself.. i get it... i just dont like his approach, and so wont pay money for his films, thats all.
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but yeh EEEEE!
much better that death proof (it was good too, but only when girls didnt talk stuff about pretty much everything).
