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SycoShaman
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damn, the vid made me salivate...
I really wanna play this, badly. Besides MGS 4, this is my most wanted game right now...looks fuckin awesome
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Nakitu
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 10:06 Post subject: |
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| Nakitu wrote: | | Unauthorized wrote: |
Yes! and combat still sucks major monkey ass.
I sure hope they play on Easy or something, because the "oh lets all attack him one-by-one" is retarded. Even when they face his back they just stand there with their swords doing nothing. The "Throwing knife"-kills seems a bit odd too. Why can't he just throw one at the target too then  No, Have to jump down and take on his whole army of (retarded) soldiers instead.
And the "static" hanging obstacles, he jumps on a thing thats hold up by one rope, it doesn't even move a inch. Maybe hes so damn skinny not even water budge under him. |
No this whole game sucks ass. It has so many flaws its unreal. At start you see hooded guy with SWORDS in white dress walking around the pesants and guards. He even comes near one guard and they dont do anything. So in this game high class people stand near doors surrounded by guards and pesants and talk about crap. Then they leave and every single peasant moves at the same time they move. Wow talk about bad scripting. Then dude starts to run around small streets pushing people. He comes to guards. Turns away walks 2m and jumps up on building. Guess guards and people are all blind. Then he jumps around throwing knives and hitting every time ( XBOX 360 autoaim FTW) with people NOT falling down the roofs. If someone got killied on the roof he would fall down but i guess in this game there is no gravity. I guess when you need to kill the "boss" you cant thow knife at him because he has some kind of immunity to piercing damage. Then 50 guards attack him waitting for their turn to attack you because its not fair 50 on 1. Then he runs around and jumps over the wall. So we have retarded AI with everything scripted ( no reply value) , so many plot holes, stupid fighting,small corridors,linear approach to target and linear extraction point. Oh and this video is from 360 ver. so really it doesnt belong here. All in all i allready see stupid diluted fanboys calling this game "The Shit". Thank god for smart people. |
every game has it's flaws. you need to see the good sides of the game as well though, not just the bad stuff. you also shouldn't bash the game when you haven't even played it... some beta demonstration videos don't mean shit.
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Nakitu
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 11:06 Post subject: |
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| Surray wrote: | | Nakitu wrote: | | Unauthorized wrote: |
Yes! and combat still sucks major monkey ass.
I sure hope they play on Easy or something, because the "oh lets all attack him one-by-one" is retarded. Even when they face his back they just stand there with their swords doing nothing. The "Throwing knife"-kills seems a bit odd too. Why can't he just throw one at the target too then No, Have to jump down and take on his whole army of (retarded) soldiers instead.
And the "static" hanging obstacles, he jumps on a thing thats hold up by one rope, it doesn't even move a inch. Maybe hes so damn skinny not even water budge under him. |
No this whole game sucks ass. It has so many flaws its unreal. At start you see hooded guy with SWORDS in white dress walking around the pesants and guards. He even comes near one guard and they dont do anything. So in this game high class people stand near doors surrounded by guards and pesants and talk about crap. Then they leave and every single peasant moves at the same time they move. Wow talk about bad scripting. Then dude starts to run around small streets pushing people. He comes to guards. Turns away walks 2m and jumps up on building. Guess guards and people are all blind. Then he jumps around throwing knives and hitting every time ( XBOX 360 autoaim FTW) with people NOT falling down the roofs. If someone got killied on the roof he would fall down but i guess in this game there is no gravity. I guess when you need to kill the "boss" you cant thow knife at him because he has some kind of immunity to piercing damage. Then 50 guards attack him waitting for their turn to attack you because its not fair 50 on 1. Then he runs around and jumps over the wall. So we have retarded AI with everything scripted ( no reply value) , so many plot holes, stupid fighting,small corridors,linear approach to target and linear extraction point. Oh and this video is from 360 ver. so really it doesnt belong here. All in all i allready see stupid diluted fanboys calling this game "The Shit". Thank god for smart people. |
every game has it's flaws. you need to see the good sides of the game as well though, not just the bad stuff. you also shouldn't bash the game when you haven't even played it... some beta demonstration videos don't mean shit. |
Like i said at end of my post Thank god for the smart people. So in youre world this is not how the game will play? Its beta? Ok so in 30 days they will make lvls bigger, make AI 100 times smarter, rewrite all the scripts,remake fighting part? Wow you are really diluted. But this doesnt suprise me since its coming from you. Y all games have flaws. This game has nice gfx and great presentation with great voice acting. Oh will they change that to in 30 days? What do you think? Oh and i guess that they will change the way you look since you run around looking like you are going to kill someone and no one i reacting. That was so comon in middle ages. All killers were running around with hoods and swords and knives among people. Thats a great way to blend in. Only thing i can tell you go and check Hitman and you will see how assasin should act. Its not the best fell but it comes very close.
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Surray
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 11:39 Post subject: |
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| Nakitu wrote: | | Surray wrote: | | Nakitu wrote: |
No this whole game sucks ass. It has so many flaws its unreal. At start you see hooded guy with SWORDS in white dress walking around the pesants and guards. He even comes near one guard and they dont do anything. So in this game high class people stand near doors surrounded by guards and pesants and talk about crap. Then they leave and every single peasant moves at the same time they move. Wow talk about bad scripting. Then dude starts to run around small streets pushing people. He comes to guards. Turns away walks 2m and jumps up on building. Guess guards and people are all blind. Then he jumps around throwing knives and hitting every time ( XBOX 360 autoaim FTW) with people NOT falling down the roofs. If someone got killied on the roof he would fall down but i guess in this game there is no gravity. I guess when you need to kill the "boss" you cant thow knife at him because he has some kind of immunity to piercing damage. Then 50 guards attack him waitting for their turn to attack you because its not fair 50 on 1. Then he runs around and jumps over the wall. So we have retarded AI with everything scripted ( no reply value) , so many plot holes, stupid fighting,small corridors,linear approach to target and linear extraction point. Oh and this video is from 360 ver. so really it doesnt belong here. All in all i allready see stupid diluted fanboys calling this game "The Shit". Thank god for smart people. |
every game has it's flaws. you need to see the good sides of the game as well though, not just the bad stuff. you also shouldn't bash the game when you haven't even played it... some beta demonstration videos don't mean shit. |
Like i said at end of my post Thank god for the smart people. So in youre world this is not how the game will play? Its beta? Ok so in 30 days they will make lvls bigger, make AI 100 times smarter, rewrite all the scripts,remake fighting part? Wow you are really diluted. But this doesnt suprise me since its coming from you. Y all games have flaws. This game has nice gfx and great presentation with great voice acting. Oh will they change that to in 30 days? What do you think? Oh and i guess that they will change the way you look since you run around looking like you are going to kill someone and no one i reacting. That was so comon in middle ages. All killers were running around with hoods and swords and knives among people. Thats a great way to blend in. Only thing i can tell you go and check Hitman and you will see how assasin should act. Its not the best fell but it comes very close. |
um.. where did I say that what you said is not true? Everything you said makes perfect sense and it's weird that that's how it is in the game but as I said, every game has it's flaws, and it's up to the player to decide wether he can live with those flaws or not.
Just because you think those things you mentioned are game braking, making this game a huge piece of shit, doesn't mean everyone has that exact same opinion, and it certainly doesn't have anything to do with how "smart" you are.
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Nakitu
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 12:20 Post subject: |
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| Surray wrote: | | Nakitu wrote: | | Surray wrote: |
every game has it's flaws. you need to see the good sides of the game as well though, not just the bad stuff. you also shouldn't bash the game when you haven't even played it... some beta demonstration videos don't mean shit. |
Like i said at end of my post Thank god for the smart people. So in youre world this is not how the game will play? Its beta? Ok so in 30 days they will make lvls bigger, make AI 100 times smarter, rewrite all the scripts,remake fighting part? Wow you are really diluted. But this doesnt suprise me since its coming from you. Y all games have flaws. This game has nice gfx and great presentation with great voice acting. Oh will they change that to in 30 days? What do you think? Oh and i guess that they will change the way you look since you run around looking like you are going to kill someone and no one i reacting. That was so comon in middle ages. All killers were running around with hoods and swords and knives among people. Thats a great way to blend in. Only thing i can tell you go and check Hitman and you will see how assasin should act. Its not the best fell but it comes very close. |
um.. where did I say that what you said is not true? Everything you said makes perfect sense and it's weird that that's how it is in the game but as I said, every game has it's flaws, and it's up to the player to decide wether he can live with those flaws or not.
Just because you think those things you mentioned are game braking, making this game a huge piece of shit, doesn't mean everyone has that exact same opinion, and it certainly doesn't have anything to do with how "smart" you are. |
When i said smart people i didnt mean specifically you i meant all people calling this game "The shit" or drooling over it. If you cant see the flaws or calling something perfect when obviously it isnt, in my book you are dumb. I have written my opinion based on what i have seen. Its open for debate since purpose of the forum is about debating. O and i forgot one thing. When dude walked around pesants there were like 10 guards max. Why he didnt kill his target then? Wtf is with that? You kill when there is opportunity. I guess its bettar to jump on dude surrounded with 50 guards then kill him when he is surrounded by people and when no one can see who killed him. Ill put this one to shit game design.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 17:53 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | Wow, what a little bitch. I guess people will find anything to whine about these days, especially if they don't own a console.  |
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Cohen
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 18:21 Post subject: |
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this forum is seriously filling up with idiots. Yet another block/ignore in the form of Nakitu. Go have a wank and stop venting your troll rage.
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 18:41 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | Hasn't this always been the case though? You need a good hardware to play games well. I remember playing NFS3 in software rendering. Dear lord, it was awful.
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| Mister_s wrote: | | That's what the average gamer sees, and the average gamer is money. |
No, that's what average American couch potato sees. A gamer know that you need a relatively good PC to enjoy the game as intended by devs.
| Mister_s wrote: | | maybe it's the increase of European devs who have great ideas but can't get the coding right for some reason. |
Don't know why, but I agree. Sure, there are some great European dev teams, but they are so rare. Maybe it's due to lack of proper funding, but it can't be just that. |
just bear in mind though that there are console games with bugs too and also many 360 titles where the framerate drop when theres a lot going on screen. but i love my pc and my 360 and both have their merits.
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thompa
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 19:21 Post subject: |
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| watergem wrote: | | this forum is seriously filling up with idiots. Yet another block/ignore in the form of Nakitu. Go have a wank and stop venting your troll rage. |
It's "troll rage" to point out flaws in a game?
Or just in games you really want to like?
Har knullat med Anne Frank.
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proekaan
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 19:46 Post subject: |
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| thompa wrote: | | watergem wrote: | | this forum is seriously filling up with idiots. Yet another block/ignore in the form of Nakitu. Go have a wank and stop venting your troll rage. |
It's "troll rage" to point out flaws in a game?
Or just in games you really want to like? |
Good question.
I also think the fighting looked retarded or at least the bit where the guards were standing there thinking "kill me next".
Plus I would think it COULD be better if there wasn't any of that sci-fi crap,kinda kills the mood,especially if you keep getting those messages. Would have wanted it to be only in medieval times without any sci-fi. But who knows,it might pull it off nicely.
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Cohen
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 20:05 Post subject: |
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| thompa wrote: | | watergem wrote: | | this forum is seriously filling up with idiots. Yet another block/ignore in the form of Nakitu. Go have a wank and stop venting your troll rage. |
It's "troll rage" to point out flaws in a game?
Or just in games you really want to like? |
Not really.. I'm referring to the constant arguments in the PCGames forum section. Im neither for or against the game.
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Nakitu
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 20:17 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 20:27 Post subject: |
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Well lets hope and pray that they try to make it sort a descent for PC as they will take a good 2 month extra to finish it...
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Nakitu
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thompa
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 21:16 Post subject: |
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The figthing is the biggest let down. First they said that the fighting would be so hard and realistic that it would be best to stay away from direct swordplay with guards.
Now it looks like you just can kill the whole guardforce first without a problem to just wander round unharmed later..
And what the hell's up with that lightning crap that's shown every now and then?
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| Posted: Sat, 13th Oct 2007 21:32 Post subject: |
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I think the fighting looks really cool and cinematic and the battle system is a good idea.
However I must agree that it does seem really easy to take on a dozen guards all at the same time and still come out unharmed if you just get down the timing right, which should be no problem for anyone with some skill.
What I'm hoping is that they'll add some kind of stamina system. So every time you kill/attack a guard or dodge one of their moves your stamina drops and makes it harder to dodge/attack the next time, so even though you are a very skilled assassin, many less skilled soldiers will still wear you down and kill you if you don't get away quickly enough.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007 00:03 Post subject: |
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I haven't played the game, so I dunno if it's good or not. But even the naysayers have to agree with that the IDEA of the game is oh so fucking awesome. It's like THIEF with a murdering niche, well-executed it could become GOTM (Game of the millenium).
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007 01:14 Post subject: |
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OK having watched the video..
This game looks average. Graphics wise, very impressive from what is visible. It seems VERY easy, as in, super ninja climber swordsman vs useless peasants.
Not my cup of tea really.. I don't mind games like this but the AI reason alone keeps me from playing these types of games, i simply enjoy MP strategies + FPS (hard ones).
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007 04:57 Post subject: |
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In the escape sequence i feel like watching The Benny Hill Show
I really hate the stupid glow on the characters
Maybe if the make a bullet time thing the fight with 15 soldiers donsent look to stupid.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007 10:18 Post subject: |
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Someone needs to do a video of the escape with Yakkety Sax playing
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Nakitu
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007 10:23 Post subject: |
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| dominae wrote: | | I haven't played the game, so I dunno if it's good or not. But even the naysayers have to agree with that the IDEA of the game is oh so fucking awesome. It's like THIEF with a murdering niche, well-executed it could become GOTM (Game of the millenium). |
Idea is great as is the presentation, but video shows that everything is so simplified that my head hurts. You rush in, kill all around and run away preferably jumping from high tower in cart filled with straw.
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| Posted: Sun, 14th Oct 2007 17:52 Post subject: |
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You can't expect them to show the difficulty in a gameplay demonstration. It would be pretty annoying if you watch a video where the player keeps dying.
In my opinion it was either on easy or god mode. In an earlier gameplay video, the player took on a few guards but got killed after a couple of hits. With good timing you can take on a few guards at once, but you're quite vulnerable.
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| Posted: Mon, 15th Oct 2007 03:49 Post subject: |
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In that demo, one of the first iirc, yes he died and from the first blow that connected. Back then, it seemed fair to the player that the guards waited their turn. Cause one mistake was enough to end you.
Lately that has been changed to the usual, lots of enemies and lots of lifebar, and the guards still wait their turn. I can't help but think of Ninja Gaiden. So few games manage to be really hard, because so few games manage to control so well. I wish developers would devote more time to playing Ninja Gaiden, especially when it comes to making games about ninjas.
Anyways, the fighting does not look as promising as initially, so what it's still acceptable. What really turns my hype off is the escape sequence shown. The guy no less than three times runs through groups of guards, only to have every single one of them circle and train him. Benny Hill indeed 
And I don't think that can be put down to difficulty level, it honestly seems to me that the developers have not considered what to do when guard meets running assassin. In fact it makes me wonder why they implemented all that climbing stuff, when apparently our protagonist is the world champ in running.
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