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| sTo0z wrote: | Lutz, I really like you man so I'm really not trying to be a dick here, and I hate trying to sound like a broken record, but I would pay money to see you try that argument in court, you would leave with a brand new asshole... 
You say information should be free, and should be able to be given away, unfortunately people who upload a CD they bought, or a game, do not have the right to give it away.
I think you really need to be on the other end of the spectrum to feel what you KNOW is right. If you sank THREE YEARS at 40 hours a WEEK into a product and the next day saw 20 kids running down the street with burned copies and you only have one rightful, honest purchase, you'd be singing a different tune.
You know it's wrong, you just don't want to admit it. |
I got a buddy who has been developing a game for awile (gfx designer) who's game is comming out the end of this month and already has been "released" I normally don't care but I actually feel a bit offended it got released cause it's such a great game it should be bought...
But the way kiddies now days are, they don't want to spend money on a game cause why should they when they can get it for free, their allowance can't afford it. They'll find any little excuse to bash a game so they can justify downloading it. OMG, THAT GAMES PROTECTION SUCKS DICK (excluding starforce...they really do suck), IT DOESNT ALLOW COPYING, IM GOING TO PIRATE IT NOW. OMG, A BUG!! PIRATE IT!!
Games might have been a bit cheaper in the past but the technology wasn't as advanced as it is now days. A lot more work is to be done on these pretty gfx and so forth so more time = more money. I don't mind paying 50 bucks for a game if it doesn't suck. Bioshock was probably the best 60 bucks I spent on a game all year. |
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Oct 2007 22:32 Post subject: |
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What game is you friend working on?
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Oct 2007 22:33 Post subject: |
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Psykez, you got point 
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Oct 2007 22:56 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | What game is you friend working on? |
Escape from Paradise city |
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Oct 2007 23:09 Post subject: |
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| AwE wrote: | | Mortibus wrote: | 50-60 euro for a disk that costs 50 cent not just stealing but rape imo
make it 10 euro and nobody will bother to go through all those trouble with dLding and burning/copy over crack shit
for now fuk'em |
That`s just wrong...
A good example is the new radiohead album. You can dowload it for free legaly. But fact is that the album gets downloaded from illegal sources more often than from their official site... why? because pirates don`t care how much something costs - even if it`s free. |
One of the reasons is because it's a lot faster and more convenient. The Radiohead site is highly pretentious in getting to the download link and you also have to pay a credit card transaction fee even if you don't 'donate' any money. The site is typical Radiohead which will have their fans (of which I used to be one) impressed but it's just a pain for people who want to sample their music and see whether they've rediscovered the guitar. |
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Oct 2007 23:26 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | What game is you friend working on? |
Escape from Paradise city |
Oh, that reminds me, I downloaded the demo of it but never got to installing it. I will now.
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Oct 2007 23:33 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: | | LeoNatan wrote: | | What game is you friend working on? |
Escape from Paradise city |
Oh, that reminds me, I downloaded the demo of it but never got to installing it. I will now. |
a bit has been locked out due to it being a demo like a lot of the skills, further character levels etc so it's not a bug if you cna't use some skills |
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| Posted: Sat, 20th Oct 2007 23:40 Post subject: |
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The game looked cool from the shots I've seen.
I agree that good game should be paid for, but I don't agree that putting some crazy protection is not big deal. When they get those crazy things in there that block you from playing the game, and you need to mail in order to be able to install your game once more, sorry, I'm not dishing my cash for that (I assume we're talking about the same game).
Call me naive, but I do believe in the "If you like the [...], buy it!" slogan groups put in their NFOs. But, with every game it's getting harder and harder to see the point in buying it.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 19:01 Post subject: |
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In the last 15 years, from 19 to 34 (yeah i like statistics  ) i have bought about 200 games.
I'll tell you more, i have bought over 75% of them in the first 10 years, and i have thrown away in crap a staggering amount of hard earned cash. Reviews and demo (many times they don't give the opportunity to appreciate fully the game) never helped me too much to avoid the 1 good after 2 crap ratio.
Then accidentally i have begun to explore the "dl world" and in a littile time i lowered drastically the money thrown away in horrible games.
I still buy about 6-8 games every year, and i still cannot avoid that single crap game, but at least the other 5-7 are worth fully my money, for me that's an acceptable deal.
In the past i virtually paid every good game about thrice its price !
I usually play a dl game for some hour then, if i like it, i usually buy it, otherwise i'll just erase it with many thanks for having avoided to throw away my money.
Actually i'm playing Two Worlds, i like it, i like the support the team is giving to the game after quite a bit of time and still making patches to refine it.
At the first occasion i'll buy it, better still if it's budget of course.
I think that guys that are giving me so much fun deserve it.
That's my 2 cents.
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 19:56 Post subject: |
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for every pirated copy downloaded 20 people go and buy it.. quit ya bitching my man
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 21:45 Post subject: |
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| sTo0z wrote: | | Lutz, I really like you man so I'm really not trying to be a dick here, and I hate trying to sound like a broken record, but I would pay money to see you try that argument in court, you would leave with a brand new asshole... |
if i get caught and have to go to court, you can be my lawyer and watch it being torn
As i said above, they ll get me on copyright infringement, as every IP-holder can sue me for copying their IP illegally. In germany it is still legal to copy unprotected DVDs and audio cds though for personal use and for friends. If you start to sell copies for money you re rightfully skrewed though.
| Quote: | You say information should be free, and should be able to be given away, unfortunately people who upload a CD they bought, or a game, do not have the right to give it away.
I think you really need to be on the other end of the spectrum to feel what you KNOW is right. If you sank THREE YEARS at 40 hours a WEEK into a product and the next day saw 20 kids running down the street with burned copies and you only have one rightful, honest purchase, you'd be singing a different tune. |
no i wouldnt. I m pretty altruistic and because of that my bank-account usually flat-lines because of it
| Quote: | | You know it's wrong, you just don't want to admit it. |
i already have. But it s only legally "wrong". Morally it s really a grey area for me and others as nothing gets stolen and in most cases we enthusiasts buy our fair share of games also (at least as many as i can afford without having to ration my meals). I have a huge amount of original audio cds and lps and a decent collection of games, go regularly into the cinema (but i dont buy dvds usually, because i feel i have already payed enough for the cinema-entry fees), so i actually do have a clear conscience regarding "piracy" |
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 21:48 Post subject: |
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i no pay for games, why pay when you can get free from internet?
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 21:52 Post subject: |
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| Boka wrote: | | i no pay for games, why pay when you can get free from internet? |
Because: if everybody think so gaems no produce. |
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 21:54 Post subject: |
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but some to buys games, i talk me not buys games
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 22:56 Post subject: |
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| Boka wrote: | | but some to buys games, i talk me not buys games |
Man, are you serious??? I like watch tv, me like...wtf??
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 22:59 Post subject: |
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| Boka wrote: | | but some to buys games, i talk me not buys games |
if you also buy games, game quality better |
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| Posted: Sun, 21st Oct 2007 23:22 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | Why? I see nothing funny from people overcharging for software, films or whatever so they can get rich. Why should I help pay for Britney Spears next coke hit or for some CEO to buy another private jet? |
My sentiments exactly Jenni. Fuck em. Neither Hollywood nor the music industry is exactly hurting for cash. Do they really need that third house out on prime lake front with 20 rooms and 5 fountains? How about that gourmet water for $50 a bottle? Let's not forget the yearly buying of the new yacht.
America has become a place where the sweat and blood of the masses goes to pamper a select 1%. I'm pretty sure its like that elsewhere as well (probably much worse).
I guess I see myself as the equivalent of a hippy in the digital age. Stick it to the corrupt corporate fucks in any way possible, well - this is my way. Call it what you want - hippocracy, jealousy, near-sightedness....the bottom line is that what these corporations are doing isn't fucking right and I won't support them.
People that have EARNED my money will get it. The independent film makers who have a vision and who struggle to make it a reality. The same goes for game developers who haven't succumbed to the corporate mentality of dumbing-down and consoling out.
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2007 13:39 Post subject: |
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| Boka wrote: | | what you mean? ea ubi make good games. i no want to pay for games why you care |
because you voiced your opinion here and he didnt like it? I dont like it either for that matter. Pirate anything you want but buy the occasionally good stuff that you enjoy, so you give money back to those that make good games, so they can continue making good games. Freeloaders FTL! |
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| Posted: Mon, 22nd Oct 2007 14:10 Post subject: |
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| BlueSkyz wrote: | And with this thinking our game industry is now in gameplay stone age
one guy makes a creative game and 2 days later you can get in from the net
but hey now fuck him its free from the net right  , and now kids complain why EA , UBI , Valve has 80% of the game market making pointless addons and shitz on the PC . Thats why the SP is dying and more grind paid net RPGs are being made . |
Thats not it at all. You can't say " heres $50 million go out and make a great game" You'll still get the useless drivel that some companies pump out.
Yet look at some of the smaller guys, making games for next to nothing. Games like uplink, Darwinia and Defcon. Worth every penny I paid for them. Shame the money doesn't go to the guys that made the game. I wonder how much Valve gets for them to be distro'ed to the masses via Steam.
Single player games that have zero replay I won't buy unless they're exceptionally good.
Although there are a few.
Thats why the games industry is so much different from the music industry or the film industry. Theres a few games that seem to start out fantastic and then go down the drain. EP1 was a case in point. I just got out the citadel and the game was over. I couldn't believe it. I felt robbed. Its like buying a film that is amazing then halfway through the credits come on.
When you're paying £30 to £45 for a game which is a sizable chunk of someones wages every week. It has to provide a decent amount of entertainment. Yet this doesn't happen. At least most of the time it doesn't. Look at all the nfo's there are on the game section. How many of them are games that if you couldn't download you'd want them so much you'd be willing to pay for them.Very few I expect.
I don't think piracy hurts the games industry all that much to be honest. I mean if they came up with a system that stopped piracy tommorow would they automatically increase sales. I pretty much doubt it. Because in their eyes everything thats copied is a lost sale. Well theres no way I would have went out to buy Darwinia, no way on this earth. But once I played it I thought, this guy has talent. I'll pay for it because good work deserves reward. Yet failure deserves punishment.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2007 09:22 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | because you voiced your opinion here and he didnt like it? I dont like it either for that matter. Pirate anything you want but buy the occasionally good stuff that you enjoy, so you give money back to those that make good games, so they can continue making good games. Freeloaders FTL! |
Well said man, that's exactly what i think.
I hate throwing away money for crap games, and that's the reason why i download them, but when i find the one out of 10 or 20 that gets me addicted and attached to the screen up to late night for 50-70 hours, well i gladly give a few bucks (maybe waiting for the price to lower, thing that usually happens since i play games always with some months of delay from their exit) to the game's programmers (at least that 10% or so of the price i pay) for their work.
Don't get me wrong: i'm not here trying to appear a saint (hey saint man i didn't mean you ) that always buy what he plays, i simply (at the moment at least and in the actual situation, in the future who knows i could change my pow) want to support truly deserving software companies that make my free time so entertaining, no more no less.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2007 09:43 Post subject: |
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| BlueSkyz wrote: | And with this thinking our game industry is now in gameplay stone age
one guy makes a creative game and 2 days later you can get in from the net
but hey now fuck him its free from the net right , and now kids complain why EA , UBI , Valve has 80% of the game market making pointless addons and shitz on the PC . Thats why the SP is dying and more grind paid net RPGs are being made . |
Video game piracy is the scapegoat for lazy developers who aren't true gamers but think just because they put a game out it'll automatically bring in money for them as well as companies who just plain want money.
You can partially blame the decline of pc games alone on consoles due to their limitations, but that's it, nothing else, the rest depends on the developer not to suck which in case you can see UBI and EA that have turned into sour apples and turned their backs on PC users since it's so costy and too much trouble to care, consoles are cheaper and easier to develop for.
Look at 2K, they were awesome, on Bioshock they smelled nothing but millions copies sold so lost their site of what needed to be done.
So again, piracy wouldn't be as bad if developers would get their asses out of their head and wakeup. |
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2007 11:28 Post subject: |
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They keep making worse games and keep asking for more and more money. That is the true cause to piracy imo. They ask for insane amount of money, don't bother to release a demo (sometimes out of fear people would understand the game sucks), so what am I supposed to do? Buy the game on good will alone? Of course I will pirate it.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2007 20:59 Post subject: |
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The prices for PC games hasn't risen in years. It's been 50 bucks ever since I can remember.
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| Posted: Tue, 23rd Oct 2007 21:05 Post subject: |
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Hm, don't know, here in IL prices have risen over the years, so I assumed it was rising everywhere.
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