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Mutantius
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Toshiba to exit HD DVD, end format war-NHK
TOKYO (Reuters) - Toshiba Corp is planning to stop production of equipment compatible with the HD DVD format for high-definition video, allowing the competing Blu-Ray camp a free run, public broadcaster NHK reported on Saturday.
Toshiba is expected to suffer losses amounting to tens of billions of yen (hundreds of millions of dollars) to scrap production of HD DVD players and recorders and other steps to exit the business, Japan's NHK said on its website.
No one at Toshiba could be reached for comment.
The format war between the Toshiba-backed HD DVD and Sony Corp's Blu-Ray, often compared to the Betamax-VHS battle in the 1980s, has slowed the development of what is expected to be a multibillion dollar high-definition DVD industry.
Toshiba was dealt a blow on Friday when Wal-Mart Stores Inc said it would abandon the HD DVD format, becoming the latest in a series of top retailers and movie studios to rally behind Blu-ray technology for high definition DVDs.
Toshiba plans to continue selling HD DVD equipment at stores for the time being but will not put resources into developing new devices, NHK said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL1627196120080216
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| Posted: Sun, 17th Feb 2008 23:13 Post subject: |
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why do people care so much
god
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 00:15 Post subject: |
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people its in our nature to enjoy seeing people and their work fail... sad but true.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 00:26 Post subject: |
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I still would have preferred HD-DVD to win, but whatever. Now just crack BD+.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 03:17 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | I still would have preferred HD-DVD to win, but whatever. Now just crack BD+. |
why do you prefer HD-DVD?
For me BD won because he has more space
now the question is what speeds do they have and how long does it take to burn one BD
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 03:19 Post subject: |
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Because the HD-DVD format had some of the audio tracks as mandatory, and it featured more advanced menu system. Plus, it had nothing to do with Sony.
| HD-DVD wrote: | | All HD DVD players are required to decode linear (uncompressed) PCM, Dolby Digital AC-3, Dolby Digital EX, DTS, Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby TrueHD.[47] A secondary soundtrack, if present, can be stored in any of the aforementioned formats, or in one of the HD DVD optional codecs: DTS-HD High Resolution Audio and DTS-HD Master Audio. |
| Bluray wrote: | | For audio, BD-ROM players are required to support Dolby Digital AC-3, DTS, and linear PCM. Players may optionally support Dolby Digital Plus, and lossless formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS HD. BD-ROM titles must use one of the mandatory schemes for the primary soundtrack. A secondary audiotrack, if present, may use any of the mandatory or optional codecs. |
So that means, it mush use a shit track as the primary and may use a good one as secondary (or more). 
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 03:23 Post subject: |
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yeah i had originally wanted AND expected hddvd to win... but when neither format kept its word and launched in my country when they SAID they would, i became indifferent and no longer cared who won.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 03:30 Post subject: |
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Plus HD-DVD doesn't have region coding.
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nouseforaname
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 03:39 Post subject: |
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physical formats are outdated anyways.
asus z170-A || core i5-6600K || geforce gtx 970 4gb || 16gb ddr4 ram || win10 || 1080p led samsung 27"
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 03:50 Post subject: |
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long live h.264 and mkv
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 07:59 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Plus HD-DVD doesn't have region coding. |
bluray has region coding? yay another reason to fucking hate it.... sigh.. well lets just hope anydvd keeps up... |
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deelix
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 08:13 Post subject: |
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| Dazz99 wrote: | why do people care so much
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Agree... said it before ill say it again; I DON'T CARE if I download HD DVD rips or BluRay rips ^^
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 08:18 Post subject: |
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There are a lot of titles that are not region coded. See http://bluray.liesinc.net/
Regarding the audio formats: You should have perfect hearing, have a $20k setup, and be an audiophile to hear the difference between those. The difference between them are seriously vastly overrated.
The more advanced menu system and extras system is coming in BD 2.0.
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 08:22 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | | Dazz99 wrote: | why do people care so much
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Agree... said it before ill say it again; I DON'T CARE if I download HD DVD rips or BluRay rips ^^ |
either thats a joke, if so, hahaha yeah
if not, well i gotta say, im not the type of person who minds buying shit occasionally if its worth it, so yeah, i care... i intend to buy the occasional hd movie. |
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deelix
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 10:29 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | bluray has region coding? yay another reason to fucking hate it.... sigh.. well lets just hope anydvd keeps up... |
Yeah, 3 region codes. Hate that retarded shit, but there's always AnyDVD HD...  |
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 10:47 Post subject: |
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yep anydvd was the only reason i ever bought dvds. dont they fucking understand that region coding is BAD? if dvds were region coded and i couldnt buy r1 dvds, then im FAR more likely to fucking pirate them! i just cant see a valid reason for region coding... the alternative is piracy, and..uh.. werent they trying to find ways to fight AGAINST that? fucking region coding.
side note - are current bluray releases using an uncracked method of decryption? i tried asking about this in another thread but got no answers - ive noticed a massive drop in releases over the past few weeks... 30 days was the last major one i saw...
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 18:05 Post subject: |
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BD+, mate. It's not been cracked yet. But that special HD torrents site has a user capturing the video and reencoding it.
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 18:41 Post subject: |
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Waiting for a Xbox Blue-Ray player now...and it will come...oh yea it will!
RUMOR 
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 21:41 Post subject: |
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The reason they have region codes is so they can mazimize their profits by charging different prices for the same movie in different regions, even though they're all made in China for the same price. For example, they print movies in China for like 1 cent per copy. Then they sell them in China for like €2 per copy, and in Europe and NA €20 per copy. Even though the cost of making them is exactly the same, they gouge their customers as much as possible, because they're greedy pigs. Even though all captalists promised that globalisation would reduce prices since all manufacturing would be moved to low cost countries. All it's really doing is increasing these pig's profits.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Feb 2008 22:55 Post subject: |
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| Serben wrote: | | The reason they have region codes is so they can mazimize their profits by charging different prices for the same movie in different regions, even though they're all made in China for the same price. For example, they print movies in China for like 1 cent per copy. Then they sell them in China for like €2 per copy, and in Europe and NA €20 per copy. Even though the cost of making them is exactly the same, they gouge their customers as much as possible, because they're greedy pigs. Even though all captalists promised that globalisation would reduce prices since all manufacturing would be moved to low cost countries. All it's really doing is increasing these pig's profits. |
Cool, so that's where I've been going wrong. I'm starting a business!
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2008 16:08 Post subject: |
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Toshiba Officially Surrenders in HD Format War
| Quote: | After days of intense speculation, Toshiba today officially announced that it will exit the HD DVD business. According to the press release, Toshiba decided after a thorough review of its overall strategy it will no longer develop, manufacture and market HD DVD players and recorders.
Toshiba cited the recent changes in market conditions as the impetus behind the firm’s decision, in hopes for a healthier high-definition future. “We carefully assessed the long-term impact of continuing the so-called 'next-generation format war' and concluded that a swift decision will best help the market develop,” said Atsutoshi Nishida, President and CEO of Toshiba Corporation.
The Japanese company, however, said that it still believes in its product and continue to support others behind it. Toshiba will continue to provide full product support and after-sales service for all owners of Toshiba HD DVD products.
Beginning March 2008, Toshiba will begin to reduce shipment of HD DVD hardware to retail channels, with the closing stages of the business expected by the end of the month. The Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on is included in this action.
While HD DVD is usually viewed as a consumer home theatre solution, Toshiba also offers the format as a data storage medium in its notebook computers. Although it’s officially the end of HD DVD for movies, Toshiba said that it has yet to decide on the fate of computer drives and will continue to assess the position of notebook PCs with integrated HD DVD drives.
Toshiba also expressed that it intends to “maintain collaborative relations” with HD DVD partner companies including Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures, DreamWorks Animation, major Japanese and European content providers on the entertainment side, as well as Microsoft, Intel, and HP.
Nishida added, “While we are disappointed for the company and more importantly, for the consumer, the real mass market opportunity for high definition content remains untapped and Toshiba is both able and determined to use our talent, technology and intellectual property to make digital convergence a reality.”
The company made it clear that its decision to dump HD DVD would not impact its current DVD business. Toshiba said that it will continue to market conventional DVD players and recorders, and contribute to the development of the industry, as a member of the DVD Forum – the body behind both HD DVD and regular DVD.
At the official press conference, Nishida answered questions asking if Toshiba would adopt Blu-ray Disc, to which the Toshiba chief replied, “No plans at all, not at this moment,” as recorded by Engadget. The executive also added that the company has no current plans for another next-gen optical disc format.
The official market lifespan of HD DVD will be around two years. The first HD DVD player hit the Japanese market on March 31, 2006 and the last players are expected to disappear by the end of next month.
Nishida revealed the total number of HD DVD player and recorder sales worldwide: 600,000 players in the U.S., 300,000 of which were Xbox 360 HD DVD drives. 100,000 units were sold in Europe, and about 10,000 players and 20,000 recorders in Japan. The total worldwide installed base current sits at 730,000 units.
Oddly enough, official numbers issued by the HD DVD Promotional Group announced following last year’s black Friday weekend that it had sold over 750,000 HD DVD players in North America, raising some eyebrows at the conflicting information.
Those already sold on high-definition movies will either declare this as a great victory or a tragic loss, though keep in mind that even HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc sales combined are barely a drop in the bucket compared to regular DVD. Recent statistics from Zip.ca show that high-definition disc rentals account for 0.87 percent of total shipments.
Retail sales of HD DVD movies also pale against regular DVD numbers. Transformers, a movie surely better appreciated in high-definition, sold 190,000 copies in its first week, leading Paramount to name it “the fastest and best-selling week one release on either high definition format as well as the best selling HD DVD ever.”
Day one sales of the standard definition easily obliterated the high-def alternative, selling 4.5 million, eventually accumulating 8.3 million in the first week.
For now, HD DVD owners may enjoy the flurry of clearance sales happening over the next few weeks, as retailers rid themselves of product. On a practical level, HD DVD movies share near identical characteristics with an equivalent Blu-ray Disc release; and in some cases, the HD DVD release is superior thanks to its more mature support of special features.
HD DVD hardware’s day of playing new software are numbered, with the only major releases left for release are Beowulf, Bee Movie and Sweeney Todd. Looking forward, however, Toshiba pointed out earlier this year that its HD DVD players make great DVD upscalers.
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As they did not pay enough money to the movie industry (SONY did!) etc etc.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Feb 2008 19:39 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: |
Regarding the audio formats: You should have perfect hearing, have a $20k setup, and be an audiophile to hear the difference between those. The difference between them are seriously vastly overrated.
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Um, ok then. I guess i have robotic ears. I have a modest 5.1 system with a HDMI capable Onkyo AVR and i notice a huge difference between lossey and lossless audio. Its night and day. My speakers are Angstrom which is a mid range custom speaker company, but they only cost about $300 each, and my AVR was only $700 when i bought it.
Oh and blu-ray won because of back room deals and buy offs, not consumer choice. And sadly it will cause the death of all HD optical media. Blu-ray is and will stay a niche, and probability go the way of UMD or Laser disk.
Im an AV junkie, i have 3 HD DVD players and 1 Blu-ray player. But im not the norm. General consumers or J6P don't care and think DVD or unconverted DVD is good enough.
| Jenni wrote: | | I drunk. I don't fucking care! |
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Feb 2008 20:16 Post subject: |
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| Bigperm wrote: | | I guess i have robotic ears. I have a modest 5.1 system with a HDMI capable Onkyo AVR and i notice a huge difference between lossey and lossless audio |
You notice a difference between which formats exactly? I was talking about the different hd audio formats available on bluray/hd-dvd. |
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Feb 2008 21:00 Post subject: |
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There's a difference between DTS-HD and DDPlus. I just don't like Dolby's codecs, lol. I hear much deeper bass levels on DTS. It was the same with SD DVDs.
Obviously there's no real difference between lossless formats, they're lossless. 
To be honest, I don't really hear much of a difference between the high-end lossy DTS tracks and lossless PCM or DTS tracks.
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| Posted: Thu, 21st Feb 2008 00:04 Post subject: |
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| Parallax_ wrote: | | Bigperm wrote: | | I guess i have robotic ears. I have a modest 5.1 system with a HDMI capable Onkyo AVR and i notice a huge difference between lossey and lossless audio |
You notice a difference between which formats exactly? I was talking about the different hd audio formats available on bluray/hd-dvd. |
Lossy = DD5.1, DTS, DD+
Lossless = Uncompressed PCM, True HD, DTS-MA
Lossy vs lossless..this is what im talking about
If you comparing say Uncompressed PCM Vs True HD, then of course you wont notice a difference, because after true HD decoding they are bit for bit the same. Its like comparing a text file to one thats zipped.
| Jenni wrote: | | I drunk. I don't fucking care! |
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