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| Quote: | | just have the decrypted/cracked exe in a crack directory on the cd. |
That's what we need, get some
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 12:01 Post subject: |
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| Dunge wrote: | | ohh and if what you are talking about is real, it's not fitting in. You activate online legally the .exe and what it does it decrypting it, WITH your hardware id?? Nah that's impossible, I'm pretty sure it decrypt and THEN add the hardware thingy info, which you can check the file before and after to see what's changed. |
spot on... finallly, someone who actually understands...
the exe is encrypted, install gets the encryption key and decrypts the exe using it, the exe itself (after it has been decrypted using the key that was used to encrypt it) is already encrypted with securom, you run the game, it asks for the serial (presuming you have a legit one), it activates against the serial and your hardware id, giving an unlock code.. you then can play...
so, making a homebrew installation using the decrypted exe, just makes an installer which skips that step.. exe is still securom protected, so you've really achieved nothing at all, you still have to activate, crackers still have to crack this exe... so 'round 1' has not even started yet...
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 13:24 Post subject: |
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@ evlncrn8
ok but this system can be working with clones of IND also that many have already downloaded or not? if u make a copy from the original dvd of AITD it can work? this are the questions. if is similar to steam then is impossible to make working retail clones and crack them
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 14:00 Post subject: |
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the clone is only going to bypass (if you're lucky) the securom disk signature check...
it's NOT going to bypass product activation - you still need a legit serial for that...
and for the lst time its not even REMOTELY similar to steam.. so forget about steam.. you're going round and round in circles and learning nothing from the discussion...
its simple...
securom product activation -> requires valid serial + activation online obviously
then you have the securom cd/dvd signature check .. this needs to pass in order to play the game
having a clone ONLY helps the 2nd part above 'succeed'
a clone does NOT magically make any serial work, and any serial released only has a possibility of 5 (i think) max activations... thus... any release with a legitimate serial has a chance of 5 / (amount of people downloading it and activating it) of working... which, in a real world scenario is more like 4 / amount of people activating using the same serial because the chances are that at least 1 activation will have been done before any warez release... and this does become a VERY VERY small number.. thus a VERY VERY small chance that it'll work
to make a keygen, its possible, but the keys generated would also have to be on the server database list, in order for it to even be accepted and allow the activation to happen...
so in essence,
1. any method using keygen to make the serial has a VERY low probability of being successful....
2. using a clone will only allow the game to be launched (if you're lucky and emulation is not detected) ONLY if the game has been activated already
the methods which have the highest probability of working would be..
1. a method similar to the bioshock darkcoder patch which 'bypased' the product activation... this is doubtful as i'm sure that loophole has been fixed in newer securom versions (such as the one used on aitd)...
2. cracking the executable using the traditional methods, removing securom entirely, rebuilding the executable so it doesn't use the vm (so its clean, other teams will probably 'emulate' the vm)... and then fix any checks that are present (checks similar to those in mass effect)...
either of these have a high probability of working, however they will also take a pretty long amount of time to make sure they are good and actually work...
so, read the above, and try and understand it and please erase all this steam nonsense from your head... and forget the maddox concept too... pipe dreams are pipe dreams, you seem to be confusing pipe dreams with ideas... i've outlined the reality above.. so please take the time to read and understand it..
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 14:46 Post subject: |
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Edit: If evlncrn8 were right
the game should already to be cracked
the warez group want to do it as fast as they can.
but I Think
they are using something new in this protection.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 14:52 Post subject: |
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I like the game, controls are somewhat goofy and inventory is very limited (c'mon, you can carry lots of stuff in your pockets you know, not only what you can fit inside your jacket), but overall it creates a pretty cinematic feeling and that special other feeling, like a small and weak guy facing something big and inevitable, you can't run or hide, and the easy way out is just lay down and die.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 15:00 Post subject: |
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Damn NPiracy stop spreading shit, you ever heard about section headers of a PE ? And btw what are these magical files which are downloaded? One ever see or can call their names ?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 15:20 Post subject: |
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spam:-@ all are speaking words with no valour stop spamming giz
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 15:25 Post subject: |
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| NPiracy wrote: | | evlncrn8 wrote: | the clone is only going to bypass (if you're lucky) the securom disk
2. cracking the executable using the traditional methods, removing securom entirely, rebuilding the executable so it doesn't use the vm (so its clean, other teams will probably 'emulate' the vm)... and then fix any checks that are present (checks similar to those in mass effect)...
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and if they will remove the protection,I don't think it will work,
the game need special files to be download
so the game required real cdkey for that
and I don't think they can replace those files,
you need to be in the game's developer team to do so. |
oh come on NPiracy.. u cant be that stupid? didnt u even read what u quoted?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 15:39 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 16:03 Post subject: |
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i doubt he is, most companies wouldn't hire people who are ignorant and have no knowledge of what they're talking about...
to cite...
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the game need special files to be download
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had he have actually watched his internet traffic or file activity during the download portion he'd see that the file is re-written, anyone with even one brain cell would conclude that this was a decryption process...
had he have actually read what i said he may have been able to understand the part about me talking about it downloading a key which is then used to decrypt the executable..
if it was actually downloading 'special files', then the executable file it downloads (by his theory... which is inaccurate) would HAVE to be the size of the executable, or possibly even the compressed size of the executable, resulting in a download of over 10mb (approx)... such a download would take a relatively large amount of time (obviously dependant on the inet connection speed of the end user).. during an install if i saw a 'delay' which would be cause by downloading a file of such a size i definately would notice it, and i would also imagine most other people would too...
whilst it is true that bioshock downloaded the executable (check the bioshock disk, there's no exe), aitd5 is NOT bioshock, atari most likely used the method i described (downloading a key from the server to use as as the decryption key on the encrypted exe) simply to reduce problems for end users on 56.6 modem connections (10mb on that would take a while) and probably also to reduce bandwidth for the server itself..
thus, npiracy really is just blowing smoke.. his ideas are simply ideas without any concrete foundation, proof, research or even a good theory...
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 16:26 Post subject: |
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Its funny how people talk about crack with no knowledge.
I don't know nothing about cracking games so post stupid moronic theories it´s useless.
Maybe this thread should be lock?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 17:26 Post subject: |
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| GeorgeIvanovich wrote: | Its funny how people talk about crack with no knowledge.
I don't know nothing about cracking games so post stupid moronic theories it´s useless.
Maybe this thread should be lock? |
No
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[quote="SteamDRM"][quote="b0se"]BLACK OPS GOTY[/quote]
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 17:35 Post subject: |
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| GeForce8 wrote: | | GeorgeIvanovich wrote: | Its funny how people talk about crack with no knowledge.
I don't know nothing about cracking games so post stupid moronic theories it´s useless.
Maybe this thread should be lock? |
No |
Yes
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 17:40 Post subject: |
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@ evlncrn8
ok so if i have well understand the method of steam can't be working here and so a crack can working with clones and iso maked from the original and with images intact without handle and breack it like for steam?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 17:43 Post subject: |
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Why are you so obessed with steam ffs?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 17:45 Post subject: |
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@ nui
u can understand why. anyone can't crack it from the retail isos and it's the most secure anticracking system that exist until now. Valve have won time ago on crackers when they have invented it. maddoxx have tryed to fuck them but him is only a idiot and is been catched
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 17:52 Post subject: |
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how? every steam game i wanted to have was available for download and ready to be played.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 17:58 Post subject: |
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@ Nui
and what u use to download all full games for free and for update them? don't exist a valid working emulator. Valve are not here to make him fuck from everyone and update it often so an emulator must be updated often at the same way that Valve do
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 17:59 Post subject: |
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| boundle wrote: |
u can understand why. anyone can't crack it from the retail isos and it's the most secure anticracking system that exist until now. Valve have won time ago on crackers when they have invented it |
what are you saying????!!
all the games available on steam i already have them and finished them...
wake up from your dreams.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 18:01 Post subject: |
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Now i see what you mean, but steam games are available for free even if it might be "just" because someone pays for it...
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 18:02 Post subject: |
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@ Ancient78
what official emulator u have used to play full games? don't tell me pacsteam :lol:
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 18:03 Post subject: |
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| Nui wrote: | | Now i see what you mean, but steam games are available for free even if it might be "just" because someone pays for it... |
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 18:11 Post subject: |
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@ boundle the steam lover :
no emulator ... MOST of the games that is worth to play been available before they are on steam by scene rls ...for ex: dark messiah of might and magic been released by RELOADED 2006-11-15
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 18:17 Post subject: |
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@ Ancient78
dark messiah RELOADED have been cracked cause it's securom not steam. steam is only for multiplayer. RELOADED or VITALITY don't have ever cracked full steam protected games. exist half life 2 RELOADED or half Life Episode 1 or 2 RELOADED? anyway this is not the post to speack of this
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 18:27 Post subject: |
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i remember playing halif life episode 1, but not buying so whats your point boundle?
| boundle wrote: | | anyway this is not the post to speack of this |
The whole discussion that took place the last pages was not to be discussed here! Its Protection bitchin' and nothing more
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 18:33 Post subject: |
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@ Nui
the final point is that to have access to download all full steam games or almost the more like tf2 or hl 2 and related episodes that have many many day-to-day source engine updates or mods is need only have a real working account
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 18:36 Post subject: |
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Do steam game suck so much, that you have to update them on a daily basis? Not the ones i played, so its still not a valid point boundle. Steam is not as great as you make it to be.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2008 18:45 Post subject: |
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@ Nui
anyway steam is a valid system cause if u don't have it running with the extracted u have to play game bugged and sucks.
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