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| rhagz wrote: | | So a few traits became perks? Big deal. |
A few? Try all.
You are now the Hero of the East Coast! Able to have 20 perks by end game! Together with the Brotherhood of Steel (the zealous protectors of humanity in the East Coast), you must defend the land from the evil of the super orcs I mean mutants!
For the RPG oriented, worry not for there is a variety of choice in quests! Quite a lot more choices than in Oblivion to be honest. Now after saving that one guy in this dungeon from those orcs, you now have the choice to accept the reward and gain nothing, decline the reward and gain +karma, or demand more and get more items but also -karma! ZOMGCHOICEANDCONSEQUENCE!
I've had enough of Bethesda with the Oblivion debacle. I now know how to see through the way they spin things. In fact, when developers say immersion what they really mean is less reading. As in you're now watching a movie.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 05:22 Post subject: |
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| rampart wrote: | Look i am not even going to read all that. Yeah they may have screwed up the franchise but that doesn't mean i won't play it. Its your own fault for not accepting that another company has the rights to the game. It won't ever get back to the original developer so good luck flaming this game even more when it comes out.
And all your talk about oblivion sucking, you seem to just hate the company itself and diverging it over to fallout. What is that about? Did you ever play Morrowind?
God freaking fanboys crying over nothing. |
I would accept just about any company to get the rights to make a Fallout game. So long as they keep true to Fallout so I don't know where you just pulled that out of your ass by claiming I think that way. If they aren't going to at least do that why even purchase and use the Fallout name?
I actually had allot of respect for Bethesda and I loved Morrowind. Sure it wasn't perfect but it ranks up in one of my top games of all time. But sadly Oblivion was one of the biggest disappointments in gaming to me. I lost allot of respect for them and now that they are turning Fallout into Oblivion with guns its evolved into loss of respect to anger. I
still play Fallout 1 and 2 once in a while after all these years. What Bethesda is doing to Fallout would be the equivalents of drawing a penis on the Mona Lisa.
| FireMaster wrote: | if he steals from me or shoot me I'm sure I'll put the little sucker down , he's virtual anyway
but even that , now companies that make RPGs try the best to make charachters around you seem as alive as possible ( Mass Effect, oblivion , the witcher ) it would still feel bad to shoot a kid Sad I might be a pirate who doesn't give a shit about copyrights but i'd never kill a brat Surprised
as for what happens around the world , it's not our subject |
Right the kids not real so who gives a shit really? So why object in the first place? If you don't want to kill them then you don't have to simple as that. Why you would regret a action you did on a video game is beyond me however. Also my example of what happens in the real world is because how could you not have children in the game and have them be mortal if the post apocalyptic world is much worse than what we live real life? Fallout isn't a game that is meant to be censored the setting itself is to grim.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 07:47 Post subject: |
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So much hate for this game and it's not even out yet. Oblivion might not be the best game Bethesda put out. But that doesn't mean Fallout will turn out bad, sure it uses the same gfx engine still it doesn't mean it will be Oblivion-Falout...
Wait and see how it turn out before judging it. No meaning to paint satan on the wall before the game is released.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 08:25 Post subject: |
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| JBeckman wrote: |
(There's probably a list of titles somewhere such as on the official website but the games are pretty easy to identify as they all use NIF files for the 3D models.) |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamebryo
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 08:40 Post subject: |
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Well sorry Nuclear, i just hate how everyone is judging the game by interviews and so on without trying the game when it is finally out. Bethesda just wants to make Fallout the way they want to. It doesn't mean you have to like what the they did with it but at least they are doing something with the series instead of leaving it out in the dust never to be seen again.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 10:54 Post subject: |
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| rampart wrote: | | Bethesda just wants to make Fallout the way they want to. |
No, Bethesda wants to make a game that sells well on consoles.
A turnbased rpg true to Fallout 1-2 wouldnt.
To be honest the graphical change dont really bother me, its all the other design choices and similarites to Oblivon.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 10:56 Post subject: |
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| rampart wrote: | | Well sorry Nuclear, i just hate how everyone is judging the game by interviews and so on without trying the game when it is finally out. |
Yeah, same here. It's annoying how people are saying it's going to be awesome based of interviews and so on without trying the game when it's finally out.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 13:57 Post subject: |
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| Glottis wrote: |
P.S. I didn't mean trailer is like Oblivion, I meant the game itself will probably be oblivionized. |
Oblivion didn't have whores, splatter, VATS or drug addiction..
I think the whole "Oblivion with guns!!11" argument is so incredible retarded.
Of course there will be things that we will recognize from their other games. It's exactly like when your buying an album where your favorite artist makes a cover song. You dont expect it to sound 100% like the original.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 19:35 Post subject: |
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| AKofC wrote: | | rhagz wrote: | | So a few traits became perks? Big deal. |
A few? Try all.
You are now the Hero of the East Coast! Able to have 20 perks by end game! |
Pretty sure that I had at least that many by the end of Fallout 2.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 19:46 Post subject: |
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| rhagz wrote: |
Pretty sure that I had at least that many by the end of Fallout 2. |
Your char would've had to been at least level 60, which was reachable only if you grinded exp. from the random encounters. Most people didn't, and finished the game at level 22-26.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 20:08 Post subject: |
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You could get like 8 perks by playing the game. Shovelling shit, combat implants etc.
And you got perks every 3 levels? So another 8 or so by 24 which is average level to finish the game. So maybe not 20, but close.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 20:15 Post subject: |
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Yeah true if you include those.. Hope FO3 actually has those extra perks you can gain from some in-game achievements / as quest rewards. Combat implants for example I thought was a really cool idea and now with 3d graphics they could even alter your character's looks.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 21:08 Post subject: |
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| rampart wrote: | | Well sorry Nuclear, i just hate how everyone is judging the game by interviews and so on without trying the game when it is finally out. Bethesda just wants to make Fallout the way they want to. It doesn't mean you have to like what the they did with it but at least they are doing something with the series instead of leaving it out in the dust never to be seen again. |
I disagree entirely. I would rather have Fallout die as a champion and leave with grace rather than being dragged into pig shit and living another day.
Think of something that you really loved during your childhood that still makes you happy just thinking about it. Now imagine if that thing was going to make a come back but... basically everything has changed and it holds nothing true to the original in fact they are making it a copy of something you already disliked.. How would you feel?
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 22:14 Post subject: |
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| NuclearShadow wrote: | | rampart wrote: | | Well sorry Nuclear, i just hate how everyone is judging the game by interviews and so on without trying the game when it is finally out. Bethesda just wants to make Fallout the way they want to. It doesn't mean you have to like what the they did with it but at least they are doing something with the series instead of leaving it out in the dust never to be seen again. |
I disagree entirely. I would rather have Fallout die as a champion and leave with grace rather than being dragged into pig shit and living another day.
Think of something that you really loved during your childhood that still makes you happy just thinking about it. Now imagine if that thing was going to make a come back but... basically everything has changed and it holds nothing true to the original in fact they are making it a copy of something you already disliked.. How would you feel? |
Fallout was already dragged into pig shit with Tactics and BoS, but as you yourself said, it has had no effect on the memories of the original Fallout titles, the same will happen to Fallout 3 if it turns out to be a bad game.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 22:44 Post subject: |
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Tactics was an excellent game - in multiplayer...the singleplayer was shite.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 23:03 Post subject: |
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| NuclearShadow wrote: | | rampart wrote: | | Well sorry Nuclear, i just hate how everyone is judging the game by interviews and so on without trying the game when it is finally out. Bethesda just wants to make Fallout the way they want to. It doesn't mean you have to like what the they did with it but at least they are doing something with the series instead of leaving it out in the dust never to be seen again. |
I disagree entirely. I would rather have Fallout die as a champion and leave with grace rather than being dragged into pig shit and living another day.
Think of something that you really loved during your childhood that still makes you happy just thinking about it. Now imagine if that thing was going to make a come back but... basically everything has changed and it holds nothing true to the original in fact they are making it a copy of something you already disliked.. How would you feel? |
its easy... dont play it... keep your memory of the old ones... and leave the people who will probably enjoy it alone... sounds like a good deal to me... kthx
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 23:40 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | its easy... dont play it... keep your memory of the old ones... and leave the people who will probably enjoy it alone... sounds like a good deal to me... kthx |
Assuming Fallout 3 fails to live up to expectations or is another spin-off entry like Tactics (et al) then that's exactly what will happen anyway. So I'm not entirely sure why you'd ask someone to behave like that? Unless I'm mistaken nobody who values the pedigree of the Fallout franchise cries incessantly about Tactics or the action game 'BOS'.
People like yourself are jumping into a 'conversation' in which, to put it frankly, you're not welcome. You have no investment in Fallout and aren't participating in the discourse relating to WHAT FALLOUT 3 will be in relation to THAT. You are more interested in being an outsider, butting in and giving your opinion, which within that context is completely worthless. It'd be like me poking my head round the corner of a cricket meeting (or whatever they call it) and suggesting they all pack up and go home because 'this is some boring shit' - who the fuck am I in that respect? Nobody, that's who.
I don't understand what compels people to do that, or why they are surprised at the angry responses which eventually derails any original discussion into a slanging match.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 01:50 Post subject: |
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Fallout 3 will NEVER live up to expectations of some people. It just won't happen. Hopefully Bethesda realizes this and just makes the game good in their eyes and let people play it or not.
Seriously, the game could be 100% perfect and people would still bitch. They always do.
If it's post-apocalyptic with a little cult humor and pop references and I can put on a suit of Power Armor and blast non-furry Deathclaws with my laser gatlin gun using the Bloody Mess trait then I will be satisfied. Anything more than that will be icing on the cake.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 01:57 Post subject: |
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| rhagz wrote: |
Seriously, the game could be 100% perfect and people would still bitch. They always do.
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Yeah but they really do have their reasons for the bitching. 
"You can definitely play it just as an FPS if that's your thing, though it's certainly going to be a lot harder," says Todd, describing how the VATS systems fits in. "We've had a focus test to see how well our tutorials were working, and in the initial run-through we forgot to tutorial VATS. People were playing without even knowing it existed and they just played it as a first-person shooter. That's reassuring."
Accept no lies, Fallout 3 is too grand a project for us or any other games magazine to have fully understood in just a few hours' play. Three hours later and it's a world and a game we can paint only in the broadest strokes, but they're more than enough to sell it - Fallout 3 is a true follow-up to Oblivion, denser, grander, smarter and better.
If you defuse the bomb in Megaton you are rewarded with a shack, "which like all your future homes can be themed in different ways - pre-war, Mr Loverman, and Vault themes can be bought at the local supply store".
Now, I'm looking forward to FO3 myself and it'll probably be a decent enough game that I'll enjoy, but with the direction Bethesda's taking, the bitching definitely is warranted.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 02:10 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | | Quote: | | its easy... dont play it... keep your memory of the old ones... and leave the people who will probably enjoy it alone... sounds like a good deal to me... kthx |
Assuming Fallout 3 fails to live up to expectations or is another spin-off entry like Tactics (et al) then that's exactly what will happen anyway. So I'm not entirely sure why you'd ask someone to behave like that? Unless I'm mistaken nobody who values the pedigree of the Fallout franchise cries incessantly about Tactics or the action game 'BOS'.
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If this was the case then I don't see what all the pathetic whining in this thread is about. Fallout was a dead franchise before Bethesda came along, so the only thing being damaged are your precious memories mired in nostalgia.
I don't know if you've noticed but this entire thread is being cluttered with bullshit from lamenting fanbois, so no, we don't give a shit if we're not welcome in your circle jerk, because frankly all your weepy crap isn't welcome either. This is a fallout 3 thread, not the fallout 2 sentimental fanboi thread. People actually expect discussion related to the game as an individual piece of digital art, not constant inane critique on how it compares to a title that gameplay wise is a barely relevant antique.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 02:20 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | If this was the case then I don't see what all the pathetic whining in this thread is about. Fallout was a dead franchise before Bethesda came along, so the only thing being damaged are your precious memories mired in nostalgia.
I don't know if you've noticed but this entire thread is being cluttered with bullshit from lamenting fanbois, so no, we don't give a shit if we're not welcome in your circle jerk, because frankly all your weepy crap isn't welcome either. This is a fallout 3 thread, not the fallout 2 sentimental fanboi thread. People actually expect discussion related to the game as an individual piece of digital art, not constant inane critique on how it compares to a title that gameplay wise is a barely relevant antique. |
Put the nail in the coffin of this retarded debate. |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 03:14 Post subject: |
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The developers really don't realize how retarded they make their own game sound. And neither does the previwers, apparantly. "Fallout 3 is a true follow-up to Oblivion" - they make it sound like that's supposed to be a good thing.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 11:35 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | If this was the case then I don't see what all the pathetic whining in this thread is about. Fallout was a dead franchise before Bethesda came along, so the only thing being damaged are your precious memories mired in nostalgia.
I don't know if you've noticed but this entire thread is being cluttered with bullshit from lamenting fanbois, so no, we don't give a shit if we're not welcome in your circle jerk, because frankly all your weepy crap isn't welcome either. This is a fallout 3 thread, not the fallout 2 sentimental fanboi thread. People actually expect discussion related to the game as an individual piece of digital art, not constant inane critique on how it compares to a title that gameplay wise is a barely relevant antique. |
Put the nail in the coffin of this retarded debate. |
im with animalmother on this one...and i am one of fanbois of fallout, and i have already put my money where my mouth is for fallout3...preordered the collectors ed a few days ago, and i cant wait to play me some post apocalyptic arse-kicking game
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 12:05 Post subject: |
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QFT A.M.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 12:25 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | If this was the case then I don't see what all the pathetic whining in this thread is about. |
I'm not defending the thread, my post was in the first place a response to the direction it took; a painful and ugly mess. The pathetic whining and its pathetic rebukes are a consequence of people being arrogant and not encouraging discourse.
Like you, I don't see what all the pathetic whining is about either. On the other hand I, perhaps unlike you, see discussion on FALLOUT as an entity entirely relevant and constructive whereas posts decrying that or it's creators as non-constructive and more importantly; inflammatory.
Naturally not all Fallout fans are created equal, and thus not all of their posts are constructive or polite, that's a given. We shouldn't lump everyone into the same boat though or it'll sink.
| Quote: | | I don't know if you've noticed but this entire thread is being cluttered with bullshit from lamenting fanbois, so no |
Well it goes both ways, but put it into context; it's like throwing salt onto a wound. When Fallout 4 is announced people will be referring to Fallout 3 and no doubt even the original two will get a mention given their popularity. It's thoroughly expected and justified.
Besides, I was originally responding to this; "its easy... dont play it... keep your memory of the old ones... and leave the people who will probably enjoy it alone... sounds like a good deal to me... kthx"
If Fallout 3 doesn't live up to the average Fallout fans expectations (which are very reasonable when you consider how rudimentary Fallout as a game actually is) these fans won't (necessarily) play it, they won't allow it to taint their memory of the old ones, and they will leave the people who enjoy it alone.
I am of course speaking generally and not in reference to their behaviour in one thread alone. 'Looking back' if Fallout 3 does not live up to expectations it's unlikely to dominate the psyche of the fallout fan and they won't get in the way of other people enjoying it (Hell, how could they?).
In regard to your other point I think I illustrated how it's possible people who don't come into this thread looking for a slanging match could be easily tempered into one.
| Quote: | | This is a fallout 3 thread, not the fallout 2 sentimental fanboi thread. People actually expect discussion related to the game as an individual piece of digital art |
Naturally other topics are going to crop up from time to time but Fallout 3 is a part of the Fallout franchise whether we likes it or not, so 'sentimental fanboi crap' (as you might call it) is not only justified but a completely rational expectant, particularly when there is zero gameplay footage and concrete information was/is hard to come by.
I do understand how non-fallout fans or those with less affection for the titles will feel when swamped with pessimistic critique formulated from the originals... but (for one quick example) I wouldn't go into a Halo thread and start dictating things to Halo fans, moreover I wouldn't go into a Halo thread in which it'd been revealed they'd redesigned the series into a slow, methodical tactical shooter and then get irate at their bickering. I would expect it, and if I didn't emphasise I would at least stay out of it, my opinion as a Halo hater (but slow, methodical, tactical shooter fan) being worthless in that context.
| Quote: | | not constant inane critique on how it compares to a title that gameplay wise is a barely relevant antique. |
Fallout is very relevant. You can take all the time you want in listing games that have bettered it. Seriously, I'd be interested. |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 12:29 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | | Fallout is very relevant. You can take all the time you want in listing games that have bettered it. Seriously, I'd be interested. |
Just RPGs or all other games as well?
(I have my original fallout disks and boxing. I am still in love with it.)
((I think FO3 will be a twist, and I'm not going to prejudge it)) |
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