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oxazepam worked great for me, but my doctor made me stop taking it after he learned that i was poping them like sweets and the months worth he gave me was gone in a week :\ he did say though to take them when i feel an attack coming on. i also got addicted to these ones and it was quite difficult to come off them. at the moment im trying paroxetine, they're not having too bad side effects for me. citalopram were the worst, i had pins and needles for a whole day off those -.-
its quite ironic that i get treamours, and this is a trigger for some attacks. mostly at night time when im going to sleep i get these and sometimes when i wake up i get them really bad, like the whole place is shaking. also some strange triggers ive had are reading some posts on here, one such post was about the large hadron collider which i followed a link to a countdown and proceeded to have an attack. others that ive indentified are about fear of nuclear war, and other such catastrophys, so i try to avoid the news section now  also when i hear planes fly over my home i think theyre coming to drop bombs, which is quite absurd. (i live near an RAF base which makes that one worse)
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I don't think drugs are the answer :\
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Jul 2008 19:09 Post subject: |
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| -WA5T3D- wrote: | oxazepam worked great for me, but my doctor made me stop taking it after he learned that i was poping them like sweets and the months worth he gave me was gone in a week :\ he did say though to take them when i feel an attack coming on. i also got addicted to these ones and it was quite difficult to come off them. at the moment im trying paroxetine, they're not having too bad side effects for me. citalopram were the worst, i had pins and needles for a whole day off those -.-
its quite ironic that i get treamours, and this is a trigger for some attacks. mostly at night time when im going to sleep i get these and sometimes when i wake up i get them really bad, like the whole place is shaking. also some strange triggers ive had are reading some posts on here, one such post was about the large hadron collider which i followed a link to a countdown and proceeded to have an attack. others that ive indentified are about fear of nuclear war, and other such catastrophys, so i try to avoid the news section now also when i hear planes fly over my home i think theyre coming to drop bombs, which is quite absurd. (i live near an RAF base which makes that one worse) |
After I got punched in the face by the crazy women I started taking way too many too. My doctor refused to give me anymore. It was a good 3 days of hell getting off of the them.
I think mine are fueled by wanting to be perfect which I am by far not.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 00:21 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | We're all demented,lolz. I'm taking one Entact pill a day, what do you guys think about that ? It's hard to know if it really helps or not.
P.S.: Don't worry , I've been fine since christmas  |
That was what I took. It is also called Escitalopram, Lexapro, Lexaprin, Sipralexa, Seroplex, Esertia, Cipralex.
I was told it was a good long term med to be on. It doesn't effect your memory. I was suppost to take 2 daily. I don't know if it helped either so I just stopped.
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 00:22 Post subject: |
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| deelix wrote: | | I don't think drugs are the answer :\ |
thats because youve never had such a serious condition
Drugs (medicinal) are needed sometimes and they do help alot. |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 01:33 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | VGAdeadcafe wrote: | We're all demented,lolz. I'm taking one Entact pill a day, what do you guys think about that ? It's hard to know if it really helps or not.
P.S.: Don't worry , I've been fine since christmas |
That was what I took. It is also called Escitalopram, Lexapro, Lexaprin, Sipralexa, Seroplex, Esertia, Cipralex.
I was told it was a good long term med to be on. It doesn't effect your memory. I was suppost to take 2 daily. I don't know if it helped either so I just stopped. |
ive felt that way about some meds ive been on too. i was taking mirtazapine for a while but it just appeared not to do anything at all. even if it was working, i guess its somehow better in our cases that we see some physical results. i can say the same for almost all medications i've tried, they either gave me redicolous side effeccts (not going to the toilet for 3 weeks at a time  ) or didnt do a thing.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 02:31 Post subject: |
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| -WA5T3D- wrote: | oxazepam worked great for me, but my doctor made me stop taking it after he learned that i was poping them like sweets and the months worth he gave me was gone in a week :\ he did say though to take them when i feel an attack coming on. i also got addicted to these ones and it was quite difficult to come off them. at the moment im trying paroxetine, they're not having too bad side effects for me. citalopram were the worst, i had pins and needles for a whole day off those -.-
its quite ironic that i get treamours, and this is a trigger for some attacks. mostly at night time when im going to sleep i get these and sometimes when i wake up i get them really bad, like the whole place is shaking. also some strange triggers ive had are reading some posts on here, one such post was about the large hadron collider which i followed a link to a countdown and proceeded to have an attack. others that ive indentified are about fear of nuclear war, and other such catastrophys, so i try to avoid the news section now also when i hear planes fly over my home i think theyre coming to drop bombs, which is quite absurd. (i live near an RAF base which makes that one worse) |
I don't see why you are so afraid of death when you have nothing to lose. Realise you have no control over such threats and live your life responding to problems rather then creating them. When the bombs hit, then it's time to panic.
Pharmaceuticals should only be used as an adjunct to a more permanent solution, not just a way to suppress symptoms. Dependency is a terrible affliction, who knows when your supply might be disrupted. After a point, it's no different to being addicted to a narcotic.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 02:41 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | -WA5T3D- wrote: | oxazepam worked great for me, but my doctor made me stop taking it after he learned that i was poping them like sweets and the months worth he gave me was gone in a week :\ he did say though to take them when i feel an attack coming on. i also got addicted to these ones and it was quite difficult to come off them. at the moment im trying paroxetine, they're not having too bad side effects for me. citalopram were the worst, i had pins and needles for a whole day off those -.-
its quite ironic that i get treamours, and this is a trigger for some attacks. mostly at night time when im going to sleep i get these and sometimes when i wake up i get them really bad, like the whole place is shaking. also some strange triggers ive had are reading some posts on here, one such post was about the large hadron collider which i followed a link to a countdown and proceeded to have an attack. others that ive indentified are about fear of nuclear war, and other such catastrophys, so i try to avoid the news section now also when i hear planes fly over my home i think theyre coming to drop bombs, which is quite absurd. (i live near an RAF base which makes that one worse) |
I don't see why you are so afraid of death when you have nothing to lose. Realise you have no control over such threats and live your life responding to problems rather then creating them. When the bombs hit, then it's time to panic.
Pharmaceuticals should only be used as an adjunct to a more permanent solution, not just a way to suppress symptoms. Dependency is a terrible affliction, who knows when your supply might be disrupted. After a point, it's no different to being addicted to a narcotic. |
How about being forced to a addiction to your past visions and emotions?
Meds just a casual thing to get you on your feet again? Memories are hard to loose! No matter who you are!
If you haven't tried, all your medical books is worth shit! We don't know enough about human psychology yet, to cure everything(but Im glad we try).
Once you get sick, you know how much life is worth... And you know how much you miss it!
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | -WA5T3D- wrote: | oxazepam worked great for me, but my doctor made me stop taking it after he learned that i was poping them like sweets and the months worth he gave me was gone in a week :\ he did say though to take them when i feel an attack coming on. i also got addicted to these ones and it was quite difficult to come off them. at the moment im trying paroxetine, they're not having too bad side effects for me. citalopram were the worst, i had pins and needles for a whole day off those -.-
its quite ironic that i get treamours, and this is a trigger for some attacks. mostly at night time when im going to sleep i get these and sometimes when i wake up i get them really bad, like the whole place is shaking. also some strange triggers ive had are reading some posts on here, one such post was about the large hadron collider which i followed a link to a countdown and proceeded to have an attack. others that ive indentified are about fear of nuclear war, and other such catastrophys, so i try to avoid the news section now also when i hear planes fly over my home i think theyre coming to drop bombs, which is quite absurd. (i live near an RAF base which makes that one worse) |
I don't see why you are so afraid of death when you have nothing to lose. Realise you have no control over such threats and live your life responding to problems rather then creating them. When the bombs hit, then it's time to panic.
Pharmaceuticals should only be used as an adjunct to a more permanent solution, not just a way to suppress symptoms. Dependency is a terrible affliction, who knows when your supply might be disrupted. After a point, it's no different to being addicted to a narcotic. |
i think perhaps you have your wires crossed here and you're thinking that panicing in a bad situation is the same thing as a panic attack. its simply not the case. you can read more about it here if you wish.
as for your comment: "I don't see why you are so afraid of death when you have nothing to lose." i find it quite ignorant. you should look at the article i linked before you post again to better understand what you are talking about.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 04:19 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | -WA5T3D- wrote: | oxazepam worked great for me, but my doctor made me stop taking it after he learned that i was poping them like sweets and the months worth he gave me was gone in a week :\ he did say though to take them when i feel an attack coming on. i also got addicted to these ones and it was quite difficult to come off them. at the moment im trying paroxetine, they're not having too bad side effects for me. citalopram were the worst, i had pins and needles for a whole day off those -.-
its quite ironic that i get treamours, and this is a trigger for some attacks. mostly at night time when im going to sleep i get these and sometimes when i wake up i get them really bad, like the whole place is shaking. also some strange triggers ive had are reading some posts on here, one such post was about the large hadron collider which i followed a link to a countdown and proceeded to have an attack. others that ive indentified are about fear of nuclear war, and other such catastrophys, so i try to avoid the news section now also when i hear planes fly over my home i think theyre coming to drop bombs, which is quite absurd. (i live near an RAF base which makes that one worse) |
I don't see why you are so afraid of death when you have nothing to lose. Realise you have no control over such threats and live your life responding to problems rather then creating them. When the bombs hit, then it's time to panic.
Pharmaceuticals should only be used as an adjunct to a more permanent solution, not just a way to suppress symptoms. Dependency is a terrible affliction, who knows when your supply might be disrupted. After a point, it's no different to being addicted to a narcotic. |
That in a nut shell is why I quite smoking pot. I hated needing something and I was always runing across town, sometimes with new people just for my stash. In the place I live we have too many big time people living in a small town so to speak. Everyone knows each other. I don't want to be part of it.
I am not against it and people can come over and smoke. Maybe I will even take a toke or too but for me those days are over.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 07:13 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | deelix wrote: | | I don't think drugs are the answer :\ |
thats because youve never had such a serious condition
Drugs (medicinal) are needed sometimes and they do help alot. |
Ultimately drugs if used (depending on the severity of the condition) should only be a short term solution to long term fixes.
Whenever someone comes to the office with a significant issue, we give them the same advice, change your lifestyle. Most people would find if they took that advice things would improve drastically. This is why people fail when trying to make changes, they are not willing to do what it takes to suceed, let's take um. smoking, people fail because they try to do the same things they've always done except they try to quit smoking, when in reality they have to change the way they live their lives in order to suceed. Trying to change only one aspect will not likely yield the results you are looking for, this holds true for most problems people face.
Dealing with panic attacks are rather difficult, and does usually take a long time, there is no overnight fix. Medication for short term is great but that should only be getting someone by until they can make the required changes.
ps, there are exceptions to every rule.
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| Martian123 wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | deelix wrote: | | I don't think drugs are the answer :\ |
thats because youve never had such a serious condition
Drugs (medicinal) are needed sometimes and they do help alot. |
Ultimately drugs if used (depending on the severity of the condition) should only be a short term solution to long term fixes.
Whenever someone comes to the office with a significant issue, we give them the same advice, change your lifestyle. Most people would find if they took that advice things would improve drastically. This is why people fail when trying to make changes, they are not willing to do what it takes to suceed, let's take um. smoking, people fail because they try to do the same things they've always done except they try to quit smoking, when in reality they have to change the way they live their lives in order to suceed. Trying to change only one aspect will not likely yield the results you are looking for, this holds true for most problems people face.
Dealing with panic attacks are rather difficult, and does usually take a long time, there is no overnight fix. Medication for short term is great but that should only be getting someone by until they can make the required changes.
ps, there are exceptions to every rule. |
exactly. there are exceptions
like in my case. some weeks I dont take my medication at all cause I feel fine and dont feel nervous or anything. but then other works, Im a walking nervous wreck and if it wasnt for the meds id be in the hospital every other week you know man
My point is people shouldnt look down on medication. Some people actually do need it. |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 10:16 Post subject: |
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OMG, never realized there was so many pillpoppers here on nforce, every passing day I am more and more starting to look like the sanest person on here:LOL:
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 10:24 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 10:37 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: |
I don't see why you are so afraid of death when you have nothing to lose. Realise you have no control over such threats and live your life responding to problems rather then creating them. When the bombs hit, then it's time to panic. |
The thing is most people who get panic attacks all know the logic, the rationale... they realize that how they are reacting isn't proportional to what's really happening - but they can't control it. For instance, imagine that for whatever reason your arms start covering your face without any reason, they do it just like that on pure reflex. You know it's fucked up, and can't control it - but something triggers those reflexes (usually a chemical imbalance in the brain).
Panic-anxiety is the same thing, the body reacts as if it's under a severe threat, the body goes into defensive, as if it's getting attacked by a bear, blood rushes away from extremeties to the vital organs, you go into shock, start taking quick breaths etc. - and in most cases you are a passive victim of it, you can't control it, no matter how much you cognitively realize that it's an irrational response to what's going on.
The thing is that it isn't always the same response, it isn't like "every time I go on the bus I get these attacks" while there can be some commonality to them, you can be 100% fine for a week, and then do something you've done every day without a problem before and WHAM, panic attack.
When thinking about it, and trying control doesn't work, and you've tried for several years, and in some (many) cases it only gets worse, there's few other options other than medicals that help remedy the symptoms (empirical studies reveal that those medications actually do work).
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 10:44 Post subject: |
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Its allways healthy to add a litlle 'sane' to the 'in'
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 11:33 Post subject: |
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| Pfiemelcheese wrote: | | OMG, never realized there was so many pillpoppers here on nforce, every passing day I am more and more starting to look like the sanest person on here:LOL: |
taking medication a doctor perscribes you is not pill popping.
going out on the street and buying pills of various sorts and taking them, thats pill popping |
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 13:22 Post subject: |
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And either way you are popping pills;)
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anxiety disorders are hard to shake off without the help of medication (similar to depression, schizophrenia and other psychological disorders) but it only really works if you also go through therapy as well. And that you get the right meds. And even then it takes a long time usually to get a person to change his thinking and lifestyle so he can go without panic attacks.
and calling people pillpoppers is just ignorant, especially in a society where people have no problem with binge drinking and alcoholics...
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 18:10 Post subject: |
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| dominae wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: |
I don't see why you are so afraid of death when you have nothing to lose. Realise you have no control over such threats and live your life responding to problems rather then creating them. When the bombs hit, then it's time to panic. |
When thinking about it, and trying control doesn't work, and you've tried for several years, and in some (many) cases it only gets worse, there's few other options other than medicals that help remedy the symptoms (empirical studies reveal that those medications actually do work). |
I do believe in the effectiveness of pharmaceuticals, but like I said, they're not a solution. Even though relying on a drug to allow you to function is certainly preferable to being debilitated by a psychological disorder, it's still a blighted existence. Accepting a dependency when you have the power to resolve the situation permanently, shows nothing but weakness in my opinion. I was addicted to benzodiazepines for a time in my life, I know what it's like to feel you need a drug to live. The withdrawals were horrible, but I only feel stronger for having the will to quit.
Lutzifer, since when have alcoholics been acceptable? It's one of the worst addictions an individual can have, and almost globally condemned by society. The difference with binge drinking is that it is entirely recreational, an while unhealthy it is far from dependency.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 20:42 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | anxiety disorders are hard to shake off without the help of medication (similar to depression, schizophrenia and other psychological disorders) but it only really works if you also go through therapy as well. And that you get the right meds. And even then it takes a long time usually to get a person to change his thinking and lifestyle so he can go without panic attacks.
and calling people pillpoppers is just ignorant, especially in a society where people have no problem with binge drinking and alcoholics... |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | shows nothing but weakness in my opinion. |
Well, what can I say - weakness is the new black.
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 20:59 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: |
Where does that fear stem from if not a fear of death? The same with how a panic attack can induce negative reinforcement when normal bodily functions are interpreted as some mortal physiological disorder.
You have no life, you mention suicidal thoughts; I don't see what you are afraid of losing. |
the fears are often irrational fears, sometimes rational ones. Usually people also know that its irrational, but cannot stop thinking because of a vicious circle of a depressive style of attribution and the physical state the body is in, which leads to more anxiety and more fearful thoughts, because memory is very context-sensitive and fear / anxiety a very strong biological force.
To work on the unhealthy and wrong way people atrribute cause and effect and interpret probabilities you need a stable person. As long as they suffer from anxiety attacks, its very hard to talk with them about their problematic thinking and the vulnerabilities and personal problems they are facing. So medication is absolutely necessary with anxiety attacks / disorders. The good ones are usually ones that only help if you re taking them regularly for a longer period (usually about 2 weeks with SSRIs) before they show an effect. Therapy also takes time with anxiety disorders and can be years before people actually get rid of it. Some never do, but will at least learn to live with it.
The biggest problem is that people often get benzodiazepines the first time around, which work instantly but have a very high probability for addiction. That is usually due to stupid doctors who arent trained in even the most basic psycho-diagnostics. |
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| AnimalMother wrote: |
I do believe in the effectiveness of pharmaceuticals, but like I said, they're not a solution. Even though relying on a drug to allow you to function is certainly preferable to being debilitated by a psychological disorder, it's still a blighted existence. Accepting a dependency when you have the power to resolve the situation permanently, shows nothing but weakness in my opinion. I was addicted to benzodiazepines for a time in my life, I know what it's like to feel you need a drug to live. The withdrawals were horrible, but I only feel stronger for having the will to quit.
Lutzifer, since when have alcoholics been acceptable? It's one of the worst addictions an individual can have, and almost globally condemned by society. The difference with binge drinking is that it is entirely recreational, an while unhealthy it is far from dependency. |
woops, i overlooked your answer
well, alcoholics arent "accepted" but usually everybody looks away, if there are alcoholics around. At least thats the case around here, and is most likely caused by the huge acceptance that alcohol has as a recreational drug in our society. Thats what i wanted to say initially. And considering that there is a genetic predisposition for alcoholism for about 50% of the population its more than idiotic to be for alcohol and against therapeutic drug use. Sure, you can always get into a dependency, but if all works out well, you ll have a higher quality of life, even if you have to take a medication regularly (look at schizophrenia for example). And with anxiety disorders and depression the medication usually will be slowly reduced along the way, so therapy has time to take an effect, while the person is in a stable condition.
and as i said in the other post, benzodiazipine addictions are usually attributable to diagnostic mistakes and fucked up handling of prescriptions, as there are far better newer alternatives around. |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: |
I do believe in the effectiveness of pharmaceuticals, but like I said, they're not a solution. Even though relying on a drug to allow you to function is certainly preferable to being debilitated by a psychological disorder, it's still a blighted existence. Accepting a dependency when you have the power to resolve the situation permanently, shows nothing but weakness in my opinion. I was addicted to benzodiazepines for a time in my life, I know what it's like to feel you need a drug to live. The withdrawals were horrible, but I only feel stronger for having the will to quit.
Lutzifer, since when have alcoholics been acceptable? It's one of the worst addictions an individual can have, and almost globally condemned by society. The difference with binge drinking is that it is entirely recreational, an while unhealthy it is far from dependency. |
woops, i overlooked your answer
well, alcoholics arent "accepted" but usually everyb
ody looks away, if there are alcoholics around. At least thats the case around here, and is most likely caused by the huge acceptance that alcohol has as a recreational drug in our society. Thats what i wanted to say initially. And considering that there is a genetic predisposition for alcoholism for about 50% of the population its more than idiotic to be for alcohol and against therapeutic drug use. Sure, you can always get into a dependency, but if all works out well, you ll have a higher quality of life, even if you have to take a medication regularly (look at schizophrenia for example). And with anxiety disorders and depression the medication usually will be slowly reduced along the way, so therapy has time to take an effect, while the person is in a stable condition.
and as i said in the other post, benzodiazipine addictions are usually attributable to diagnostic mistakes and fucked up handling of prescriptions, as there are far better newer alternatives around. |
You know, I dont see how people get addicted to benzodiazipine drugs. You know I take a certain one of those and Im far from addicted. Like, I take them when I need it. Sometimes I dont take them for a week or 2 because my anxiety isnt bad and I can control it. Other times, I take it as perscribed by my doc you know?
Why are they so addictive in some and not in others? |
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the addiction comes partly from the very strong mood-enhancement (thats why they are often called happy-pills) and because oftentimes they are prescribed to be taken daily for a week or two, so you ll get physical withdrawal symptoms. Another problem is, that they actually solve the instability for people with depression or anxiety, so especially the later group feels that it "needs" them, i.e. they become psychologically addicted / dependend, as it helps to avoid the events they fear. And avoidance is the main motor for the cognitive part of anxiety.
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| dominae wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | | shows nothing but weakness in my opinion. |
Well, what can I say - weakness is the new black. |
I hope you noted that I'm not calling people who use pharmaceuticals weak, only those who accept a dependency on them when they have the capacity to attain a more permanent solution. Not everyone does, and for those people a lifetime of servility to a drug is their curse.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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Don't focus on changing the panic attacks focus on changing the variables in your life that you want to change.
