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You know, I dont see how people get addicted to benzodiazipine drugs. You know I take a certain one of those and Im far from addicted. Like, I take them when I need it. Sometimes I dont take them for a week or 2 because my anxiety isnt bad and I can control it. Other times, I take it as perscribed by my doc you know?
Why are they so addictive in some and not in others? |
It's highly dependent on the variety of benzo being taken. As for your habits, from statements you've made in other posts I don't think you're being totally honest about your usage. But then again I think you are in denial about the nature of pharmaceuticals in the first place.
Feel free to ignore this post, I expect you to react defensively with the standard "I don't have to prove anything" rhetoric.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 22:25 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | the addiction comes partly from the very strong mood-enhancement (thats why they are often called happy-pills) and because oftentimes they are prescribed to be taken daily for a week or two, so you ll get physical withdrawal symptoms. Another problem is, that they actually solve the instability for people with depression or anxiety, so especially the later group feels that it "needs" them, i.e. they become psychologically addicted / dependend, as it helps to avoid the events they fear. And avoidance is the main motor for the cognitive part of anxiety. |
Interesting.
Im pretty sure im not addicted and ive been takin them for a while. Like I dont need them to feel happy or anything of the sort. Like I said, the only time I take them is when I start to shake (thats what happens right before a huge panic attack hits) and it doesnt stop the shaking but makes it controlable you know.
But its been like that with most drugs ive done. Coke for example. I have friends who are coke heads . I can do coke say for 2 weeks straight and not touch it again for 6 months. Or say I can hit one line and not want another where as most ppl crave it once they hit one line. Maybe I have a natural immunity to drugs and such things. But I for sure know im not addicted to any of the drugs i take currently (medicinal, dont do street anymore).
Do you think its a personal thing? Like some people are predisposed to being addicted than others?
It kinda pisses my doctor off because she bitches that i dont take the benzo...whatever they are called regularly. Like Im supposed to take them 4 times a day. But I dont because some days Im fine and not anxiety filled you know.
Do you think I should take them as perscribed or only take it when I need them (to prevent a panic attack)?
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2008 22:29 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: |
You know, I dont see how people get addicted to benzodiazipine drugs. You know I take a certain one of those and Im far from addicted. Like, I take them when I need it. Sometimes I dont take them for a week or 2 because my anxiety isnt bad and I can control it. Other times, I take it as perscribed by my doc you know?
Why are they so addictive in some and not in others? |
It's highly dependent on the variety of benzo being taken. As for your habits, from statements you've made in other posts I don't think you're being totally honest about your usage. But then again I think you are in denial about the nature of pharmaceuticals in the first place.
Feel free to ignore this post, I expect you to react defensively with the standard "I don't have to prove anything" rhetoric. |
I am being honest man
read the post i made to lutz
I only take them when I need them and I dont do street drugs anymore, havent for a long time.
Im not in denial about anything. Ive been addicted to things, I know whats its like and how you feel.
What strikes me is you always seem to think ppl are lying or in denial or something if they have an opinion you dont agree with.... |
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 00:12 Post subject: |
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That jar on the right, isn't that something you get for free upon entering a classroom in the states, from what I heard thats the number one happy pill and fully condoned by teachers and parents abound:) Makes everyone a nice relaxed student, no more piew piew with the barreta's in class, no more reenactments of counterstrike, no more bashing in teachers' heads with baseball bats, no more raping the teacher, yeah you gotta love the US schoolsystem:ROFL:
Take Ritalin 'For a better grade'
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 00:17 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: |
What strikes me is you always seem to think ppl are lying or in denial or something if they have an opinion you dont agree with.... |
Thats not true at all. For example both Lutz and Dominae both disagreed with me in this thread to an extent. Yet I wouldn't accuse either of them of lying, they just have different experiences and hence different opinions.
A different opinion is one thing, denying facts is another. This is the only issue I'm in contention with you about Syco, I do appreciate your personality otherwise. 
For the record I don't have an addictive personality, I became addicted to benzos through regular usage, but not in the pursuit of any high or psychoactive effects. I was prescribed a course by my doctor for anxiety following the breakup of my first real relationship. I took them as prescribed and apart from the anxiety dissipating there was no mood altering effects, I was still a glum bastard just not an anxious glum bastard. After about three weeks I felt I was sufficiently over my ex to stop, but found that two days after discontinuing my dose massive anxiety and depression hit. I was stuck on that shit for about five months and after tapering the dose to the withdrawal threshold I went cold turkey. It was hell for a week, and I felt shit for a month but I learnt a lot about myself in that period. I feel it helped define me as a person, I wouldn't change the experience.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
"Faith without logic is the same as knowledge without understanding; meaningless"
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 00:32 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: |
What strikes me is you always seem to think ppl are lying or in denial or something if they have an opinion you dont agree with.... |
Thats not true at all. For example both Lutz and Dominae both disagreed with me in this thread to an extent. Yet I wouldn't accuse either of them of lying, they just have different experiences and hence different opinions.
A different opinion is one thing, denying facts is another. This is the only issue I'm in contention with you about Syco, I do appreciate your personality otherwise.
For the record I don't have an addictive personality, I became addicted to benzos through regular usage, but not in the pursuit of any high or psychoactive effects. I was prescribed a course by my doctor for anxiety following the breakup of my first real relationship. I took them as prescribed and apart from the anxiety dissipating there was no mood altering effects, I was still a glum bastard just not an anxious glum bastard. After about three weeks I felt I was sufficiently over my ex to stop, but found that two days after discontinuing my dose massive anxiety and depression hit. I was stuck on that shit for about five months and after tapering the dose to the withdrawal threshold I went cold turkey. It was hell for a week, and I felt shit for a month but I learnt a lot about myself in that period. I feel it helped define me as a person, I wouldn't change the experience. |
lol a brit that finally said "Syco" instead of "Sycho" lmao 
I see where your coming from man, but everyone is different.
When I dont take the benzo's i dont feel more anxious or anything like that. And like ive said, sometimes i go weeks withoiut taking them because my anxiety is controllable. the only time i take them is when my anxiety is uncontrollable.
Knowing me for as long as you have, you know ive been addicted to a few drugs (street drugs). Thats why I know Im not addicted to any of the medications I take. Even the painkillers I take im not addicted to. Like the benzo's, i take them only when I have pain (in my knee, remember i fucked it up good).
And naw man, its not denial or anything of the sort. I have no reason to lie, espeically here as i dont really care what ppl think. both here and irl.
I dont lie. I did in my youth and it only made things worse and i learned my lesson hence the reason I only speak the truth.
Maybe sometimes my opinions are wrong, but when it comes to saying stuff about me, I know for a fact how i feel and such.
I think you over analyze things sometimes bud and are to suspicious of people. Thats not a bad thing, but in some cases, it can cause people to be offended, and I was when you said i was in denial.
Anyway, I still value your opinion cause your a good guy and a smart guy.
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 00:52 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: |
Do you think its a personal thing? Like some people are predisposed to being addicted than others?
It kinda pisses my doctor off because she bitches that i dont take the benzo...whatever they are called regularly. Like Im supposed to take them 4 times a day. But I dont because some days Im fine and not anxiety filled you know.
Do you think I should take them as perscribed or only take it when I need them (to prevent a panic attack)? |
well, there is something you could call "addictive personality", or traits that make people more prone to become addicted. As i said, there is a genetic disposition for alcoholism for example. But i know only two or three people, that i d actually classify as having an addictive personality.
And as far as benzos go, they are way better for irregular use, i.e. when you need them. If its clear that somebody needs to be treated for longer periods of time, dont even start with those, but instead go with SSRIs or other newer anxiolytica. So yeah, i think you re doing fine. It could still become problematic, because anxiety goes hand in hand with the thoughts of a "need to prevent future harm", which will fuel future anxiety, if you use the pills (or other actions) to avoid stuff, instead of when you are actually feeling another panic attack coming up. |
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 01:17 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | | dominae wrote: | | AnimalMother wrote: | | shows nothing but weakness in my opinion. |
Well, what can I say - weakness is the new black. |
I hope you noted that I'm not calling people who use pharmaceuticals weak, only those who accept a dependency on them when they have the capacity to attain a more permanent solution. Not everyone does, and for those people a lifetime of servility to a drug is their curse. |
i dont believe i accept a dependancy on drugs/medications, rather i think of it as a choice. here there are two paths (often crossing), one being an easier path (medications etc) and the other, for me at least, being much more difficult (the long term solution as you put it). now i dont have to depend on medications if i dont want to, although the consequences are more servere, and i firmly believe there is a choice.
theres some kind of common myth amoung people who have no such problems where you must always take the hardest route possible or you are weak. while i do agree that sometimes to suceed the most difficult choices should be made, its not always the best way to deal with certian things.
to better touch on your question, why dont i just kill myself? my life is empty, worthless, and unforfilling. yet, i'm still human and posses the natural human instinct of survival. the simple and basic fact is, i don't want to die.
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-WA5T3D- .. What would your life be like if you didn't have this problem ?
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 02:06 Post subject: |
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| -WA5T3D- wrote: |
to better touch on your question, why dont i just kill myself? my life is empty, worthless, and unforfilling. yet, i'm still human and posses the natural human instinct of survival. the simple and basic fact is, i don't want to die. |
Dude I'm certainly not suggesting that. Maybe my point was made rather crudely but it essentially comes down to the perspective that when you're at your lowest ebb you have nothing to fear since you have nothing to lose.
If you've had suicidal thoughts that means at least in some instances you've looked at death as a release, if this is the case then why would you fear it occurring from events outside of your control? I'm not implying you should end your life, rather use your apathy to your advantage by ignoring that most natural dread of the human condition.
It would seem your survival instinct is distorted to the point that you fear every potential death, rather then probable threats. Why do you fear it so much when you don't even enjoy your existence?
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 02:19 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: |
Do you think its a personal thing? Like some people are predisposed to being addicted than others?
It kinda pisses my doctor off because she bitches that i dont take the benzo...whatever they are called regularly. Like Im supposed to take them 4 times a day. But I dont because some days Im fine and not anxiety filled you know.
Do you think I should take them as perscribed or only take it when I need them (to prevent a panic attack)? |
well, there is something you could call "addictive personality", or traits that make people more prone to become addicted. As i said, there is a genetic disposition for alcoholism for example. But i know only two or three people, that i d actually classify as having an addictive personality.
And as far as benzos go, they are way better for irregular use, i.e. when you need them. If its clear that somebody needs to be treated for longer periods of time, dont even start with those, but instead go with SSRIs or other newer anxiolytica. So yeah, i think you re doing fine. It could still become problematic, because anxiety goes hand in hand with the thoughts of a "need to prevent future harm", which will fuel future anxiety, if you use the pills (or other actions) to avoid stuff, instead of when you are actually feeling another panic attack coming up. |
yeah, exactly.
See, my doctor told me to take them regularly. But my old family doc who's retired and also a certified therapist told me only to take them when I need them. When Im about to have a panic attack, not to use them all the time. For the same reasons you said.
So I follow his advice instead the doc that took over his practise.
I can see how someone could become addicted if they take it all the time, even when they dont need it. Because then I assume it turns into that happy pill feeling you know?
But, speaking personal, I take them when I know a panic attack is about to hit. Then I lay down and take deep slow breathes in the dark and i feel better after an hour or so. Do to both because of the meds and the deep breathing and darkness.
I get shit all the time from my doc because each script is enough for 2 weeks worth of benzo's but they usually last me a month. So when I phone in and get her to send a script to the pharmacy, she bitches saying im not taking my meds regularly.
But now that you said basically the same thing my old doc/therapist said, it confirms that im doing the right thing you know. Thanks man
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 02:26 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | -WA5T3D- .. What would you life be like if you didn't have this problem ? |
Excellent question !
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2008 03:50 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | -WA5T3D- .. What would you life be like if you didn't have this problem ? |
i really dont know, i dont have a different life experience to compare it to. maybe i would have stayed in school, have a good job, a family. but who knows. i think it would certainly be different, but to what extent, i cant imagine.
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I was diagnosed with clinical depression and anxiety disorder about 3 years ago. And it wasnt a one day started feeling bummed alot and went to the doc. This thing slowly manifested itself through my 20s,and buy the time I hit 30 I was sunk. I almost died.
You know that point just as the mind goes to sleep. For me it triggerd a panic attack instead.
For 5 days straight. I went to the hospital and begged them to knock me out. I had lost 75 pounds, and was a real POS. I started on Prozac, and doc kept upping the dose till 60mg a day. then Paxil, and they tried to charge me 40$ for 4 pills. I filled some papers, and got 90
days worth for 4 bucks. They didnt do shit anyways. I go back to the doc and tell him im
not feeling depressed anymore, but still have anxiety attacks along with constant neck and shoulder tension. So I went to a Chiropractor and after 3 treatments, no more attacks!
So I quit the meds altogether. A big mistake. A few months later I went back and told the doc
I wanted back on the Prozac only with 20mg a day. It took a while but my life started to turn itself around. I became social, and met a girl who was really having some tough times. A young one 23 to my 38. I was with her a year, bout 6 months in I stopped the meds, and slowly became a different person. She had just had her second baby, and went to work, and her deadbeat meth head husband was suppossed to be watching the kids. Instead his buddy came over, and they shot some dope. And the guy was acting so goofy, the guy that got him high called the cops, for fear of the childrens saftey. And she couldnt see her family because they were foster caring the kids. While he sat in jail, and she being drug through the courts, and getting a divorce. I stuck by her the whole way cause i love her. And shes a great mom, and caring person. I figured we get through this, and the rest is a piece of cake. I thought this could be the family that i need so badly in my life, and like the 10 lost years of my life far behind me.
But that wasnt the case. She got the kids back, we stayed together. But when her needy and controlling sister moved in next door that was the beginning of the end. No fighting, cheating, or any of that kind of stuff. She just didnt have time for me anymore. I decided to just back off, and if she really wanted me she would call. She didnt. And I didnt because i was sunk back to full blown depression, and In total denial about it. About 6 months later, I ran into some old friends who had seen her a few times. The told them she had been trying to get a hold of me cause we both had new #s. So after a day or 2 of miserable all consuming obsessive thoughts. I went to her house. She was happy to see me, but it was over. She is seeing someone else, but likes me around sometimes because her kids and I are close. I love all of them. I bought her flowers and the kids some gifts, and she just huged me and said she was sorry I am taking this so hard. That night after 6
months of stone faced reclusion, I had a complete mental breakdown. I havent worked in a week cause of the meds, and maybe a sudden urge to unhook my lanierd and do a swan dive off the 180 boom . Last night i took 2 clonazepam, walked 6 blocks to a bar, drank 5 beers, then threatened to "split the skull" of this huge MF with all his huge MF buddies right there. The guy says"i dont want any trouble!"I realized what i was doing and apologized, and left the bar. These guys would have kicked my ass good. I dont know how long it took to get home. But part of the time was lying in a ditch unable to get up, and I split the front and back of my head open on the concrete. Its been a week now and I think the Prozac is starting to kick in. Getting the heartburn, and the "briney" feeling.
Like being submerged in saltwater
Sorry for the long post, i needed the vent
WA5T3D dont give up man. You will get better if you truly believe. negative thoughts and actions will cancel out or severely limit its affectivness
On a side not I got this annoying OCD about reading my posts over and over again, it sucks
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