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 Posted: Mon, 18th Aug 2008 21:07 Post subject: |
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Kids fall over unconscious like the main quest npc's did in Oblivion and stand up again after a few secs. Adults however can be killed.
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| Posted: Mon, 18th Aug 2008 23:47 Post subject: |
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| Flowmo wrote: | | Kids fall over unconscious like the main quest npc's did in Oblivion and stand up again after a few secs. Adults however can be killed. |
Luckily thats easy enough to fix  |
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 01:10 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | I posted this on another site .. I guess it's also applicable here;
The one and only downside I can see with Fallout 3 so far .. is that it's only set in DC. What?? I don't care how big that city is, you can't base an entire post-apocalyptic world in just one city!!! For that to work, if at all, it would have to be something on the scale of Megacity One.
That's what I'm hoping the modding community is going to be working on first. Not the combat. Not the sounds. Not even the graphics -- but AREAS. Bigger, more expansive, areas. Perhaps they'll do to FO3 what they did to TeS4? Clever modders have now incorporated the WORLD of Morrowind into Oblivion. Sure it's not perfect (no quests and no voices) but it's the entire WORLD! Perhaps someone will mod the world of FO2 into FO3?  |
Bethseda is just lazy, could have made it into vast deserts, with loading screens once you cross it and enter a city, where you battle hideous mutant monsters and struggle to find water and you fight for survival, at least 3 big cities with 10 smaller ones and villages and broken gas pumps maybe a military station, so many bloody options, mad max style raiders with city of their own build on scrap metal.
Of course out of all that they produce one city with 18 npc's that have something to say and the excuse is "well everyone is dead and everything is destroyed what do you expect"  seems to me textures died too and so did the animations, not to mention ambition and imagination, fucking dead and buried, gone with the dodo.
Don't expect and map expanding mods especially not new cities it's not possible to go beyond the borders the programmers set, that takes some SERIOUS tinkering, the only thing that Oblvions modders managed to do, besides the one you mentioned, are those environment mods that change the bland scenery all over Oblivion but those are within the map maybe stretched a little bit like "Magical forest" and "Sacred Grove" etc. in terms of F3 you still wouldn't be able to move beyond the city of Washington just alter the scenery in it. I doubt it but you might see what you wish for after like 3-4 years not before.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 01:12 Post subject: |
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Also isn't it weird that the capital of the US is relatively fine? I mean, you'd expect it to be one huge crater...
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 01:29 Post subject: |
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WAIT the whole game will be in one CITY ,
thats not even fallout , consoles WTF have you done to this game
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 01:32 Post subject: |
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| AKofC wrote: | | Also isn't it weird that the capital of the US is relatively fine? I mean, you'd expect it to be one huge crater... |
Actually if the nuclear bomb didn't malfunction it would have been a giant crater.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 02:04 Post subject: |
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| rampart wrote: | | Actually if the nuclear bomb didn't malfunction it would have been a giant crater. |
The Megaton Bomb? You get to make it go boom in the game, and it doesn't turn DC into a giant crater last I heard.
There wasn't just one bomb dropped. There were hundreds. And you'd think that since it is the capital of the USA, it would at least not have any buildings left.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 02:50 Post subject: |
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| Spiderman wrote: | WAIT the whole game will be in one CITY ,
thats not even fallout , consoles WTF have you done to this game |
The reason why its only one city is because how could you make a large wasteland attractive in a open world in 3D? Imagine how much of a eyesore that would be. Desert like land little to no plants. Realistically most buildings wouldn't be standing not just from the bombs themselves but hundreds of years of not being maintained. So basically we are looking at a wasteland full of nothing... This is exactly why Fallout 1/2 and even Tactics had the world map to travel with random encounters. Fallout 2's worldmap alone represented hundreds of miles. I certainly wouldn't want to actually travel that much with 99.9% of it being absolutely nothing not even a tree.
But I do agree its not Fallout.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 02:56 Post subject: |
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| NuclearShadow wrote: | | This is exactly why Fallout 1/2 and even Tactics had the world map to travel with random encounters. |
This would've been really great to have in FO3 too, but then there'd be a problem with the random encounters (would've been challenging to create for 1st/3rd person 3d view to say the least).
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 03:12 Post subject: |
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| NuclearShadow wrote: | | Spiderman wrote: | WAIT the whole game will be in one CITY ,
thats not even fallout , consoles WTF have you done to this game |
how could you make a large wasteland attractive in a open world in 3D? |
1.make a gigantic map
2.post 35 cities on it
3.you move in 2D map view on it with a 3d model (think Final Fantasy)
4.with random encounters (THINK MOTHER FUCKING FINAL FANTASY)
5.that turn into 3d when (see UP)
6.the CITIES are BIG
7.Make IT A 3 - 2 DVD9 game not some PUSSY LIKE 1 DVD (see 4dvd9 of Lost odyssey or 3 dvd 9 of Blue Dragon )
But yeah what we get its a gore filled ADD kiddie game for adults streamlined for the dumb console folks that love to stare at the TV , this game is now a failure ... think Oblivion with guns on a smaller ONE CITY MAP = Fallout3 , yes we all knew from the start it will be like this
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 03:21 Post subject: |
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it's not completely IN the city
most of the game area is still wasteland around the city
there's a detailed map of this on NMA if you want to see the gameworld
but the entire game area is still smaller than that of oblivion, as stated by the devs
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 03:57 Post subject: |
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| Spiderman wrote: | 1.make a gigantic map
2.post 35 cities on it
3.you move in 2D map view on it with a 3d model (think Final Fantasy)
4.with random encounters (THINK MOTHER FUCKING FINAL FANTASY)
5.that turn into 3d when (see UP)
6.the CITIES are BIG
7.Make IT A 3 - 2 DVD9 game not some PUSSY LIKE 1 DVD (see 4dvd9 of Lost odyssey or 3 dvd 9 of Blue Dragon )
But yeah what we get its a gore filled ADD kiddie game for adults streamlined for the dumb console folks that love to stare at the TV , this game is now a failure ... think Oblivion with guns on a smaller ONE CITY MAP = Fallout3 , yes we all knew from the start it will be like this |
Hey, I don't the game to be either FF or 2D. You don't like it? Tough. Don't play it.  You are more than welcome to install 200 years old shit and play it over and over and over again. |
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 06:24 Post subject: |
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Doesn't mean he can't voice his misgivings. Seeing as how Bethesda raped their home grown series, they are perfectly valid.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 06:46 Post subject: |
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Sure he can, but it's getting very monotonous. Everyone seems to cry how bad this is when compared to the old ones, so don't fucking play it? Act as if it would never be released. But no. "The ones were so good, this one is so bad, it's Oblivion with guns, it has small world, I wish it was Final Fantasy, I wish it was 2D, I wish it was isometric, it's so bad I wish it was never made and I will never play it." Well, DON'T PLAY IT FFS and stop moaning. If it was never to be created, what would be the difference? You won't play it now, and you wouldn't have played it had it not been made.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 07:03 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Sure he can, but it's getting very monotonous. Everyone seems to cry how bad this is when compared to the old ones, so don't fucking play it? Act as if it would never be released. But no. "The ones were so good, this one is so bad, it's Oblivion with guns, it has small world, I wish it was Final Fantasy, I wish it was 2D, I wish it was isometric, it's so bad I wish it was never made and I will never play it." Well, DON'T PLAY IT FFS and stop moaning. If it was never to be created, what would be the difference? You won't play it now, and you wouldn't have played it had it not been made. |
Yeah, but (pointing out the obvious but 24hrs withouth sleep make me an asshole  ) if it would have never been made we could hold on to the hope that some day a kight in shiny armor would come around and make a real f3 - but now all we have is the fear that they'll further mutlitate a classic.
I mean, I loved the old ones - and I'm still gonna play fallout 3 (if i'm gonna buy it is a complete different question - although i intended to when i first heard they'd make it) - but I keep it at a more 'realistic' level, if you wana call it that.
I know that a turn based rpg with 2d isometric graphics wouldn't sell. I'm not saying that oblivion 2 ... i mean, fallout 3  - is complete and utter shit. the 3rd person graphics is the way to go but (again pointing out the obvious) it seems to be 'dumbed down' in regards to dialogue perks/skills etc.
I won't say dumbed down for the console crowd because that would include myself.
Look at it (let's have a look if i'll stop playing captain obvious here...) it's not as if console gamers don't buy creative, ambitious games - as more there are none to really speak of (i invite all of you to flame me to hell for that statement - if you can even point me into the direction of some creative games i wouldn't mind)
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 08:40 Post subject: |
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people also forget , that fallout and fallout 2 didn't really sell that good.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 10:33 Post subject: |
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| Spiderman wrote: | WAIT the whole game will be in one CITY ,
thats not even fallout , consoles WTF have you done to this game |
Console leveldesign FTW !!!111 lololololol
So... do we all agree that F3 is Oblivion with guns now ?
Judging by the new footage and info it seems that way.
Even the shitty NPC animations from Oblivion are in, the characters surfing over surfaces and so on...
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 10:40 Post subject: |
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| Spiderman wrote: | WAIT the whole game will be in one CITY ,
thats not even fallout , consoles WTF have you done to this game |
Console leveldesign FTW !!!111 lololololol
So... do we all agree that F3 is Oblivion with guns now ?
Judging by the new footage and info it seems that way.
Even the shitty NPC animations from Oblivion are in, the characters surfing over surfaces and so on...
| Sin317 wrote: | | people also forget , that fallout and fallout 2 didn't really sell that good. |
What ?
Ok perhaps not at release, but since then they are one of the bestselling RPGs on the PC together with Baldurs gate.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 10:53 Post subject: |
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Double posting with an edited post ftw! 
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 10:54 Post subject: |
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hehehehe...
Look, everyone sucks! (except me) FO3 is going to be awesome ^_^
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 11:04 Post subject: |
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aslong as it isnt as generic as oblivion, in every aspect ...
oblivion had the worst "skills" and like .. 3 or 4 types of dungeons .. over and over ...
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 11:09 Post subject: |
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Actually, you're not wrong dude. I usually *do* expect the worst (I've come to rely on that handy skill when it comes to videogames) but this time I just can't and won't. I know in my heart that FO3 is going to rock!
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 11:18 Post subject: |
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It's going to suck, still it won't cost me anything to try it and it won't kill me. But it might kill those super hardcore fallout fans with a swift heart attack once they see it, depends just how badly they screwed it up and that is the only question left for this game.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 11:28 Post subject: |
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You know what the thing is now? It's that with all this hate flowing for the game, even when people play it - they'll have so many misconceptions that they'll be convinced that they hate it even though it could be a very good game.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 11:37 Post subject: |
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Imho, Bethesda is just in it for the money. Not for the love of making games. They like keeping things simple. Too simple. Dumbed-down simple. Why the heck would i want a simple dumbed down sequel to one of the most complex (as in lots of options, not difficult) games ever?
If Bioware or even Obsidian made it, I would be a lot more excited about it, because they HAVE delivered more complex and good games than Bethesda has. After i saw what a disaster Oblivion was, i couldn't be excited about Bethesda doing the sequel to one of the games i enjoyed most in my life. Oblivion is a hack-n-slash-wannabe-rpg, Fallout is a complex action-oriented true role playing game. Fallout 3 does not belong in the Fallout franchise imho. If they gave the game a different name, the links with the previous game just fade in comparison.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 11:37 Post subject: |
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You're wrong because we already seen it, tons of trailers and features, explanations of this and that, the map size, combat  now if you think all that was great than glory to you, you will like it! But what I saw was crap and it would take super-serious changes to mold it into the way I would enjoy it.
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