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 Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 11:52 Post subject: Rant-mode: Turn on. |
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What's happening to the world of gaming lately?  I always thought videogames were meant to be fun .. but now it seems the whole world hates fun games and is constantly expecting the next "Titanic" equivalent of a game. Or perhaps "Lord of the Rings" or "War and Peace"
If a game doesn't have Crysis-level graphics, a John Williams composed score and a story worthy of any $500m Hollywood blockbuster, it's instantly torn to shreds by most people (all of whom seem to be the same demographic that live on IMDb's messageboards; frustrated, white, teenage virgins)
Is it any wonder we have shite games lately? Whenever something fun and original turns up, the slathering masses tear it to shreds for not being... not being... ah fuck it, who the hell knows what these idiots want?
Fallout 3 is going to own. Plain and fucking simple.
Too Human is going to own. Plain and fucking simple.
Final Fantasy XIII is going to own. Plain and fucking simple.
Space Siege does own. Plain and fucking simple.
STALKER Clear Sky, like it's predecessor, is going to own. Plain and fucking simple.
Mass Effect owns. Plain and fucking simple.
"I hate Space Siege"
"Why?"
"Because I can't use WSAD to move!!!!! Cry Cry Cry Cry"
"Fallout 3 fucking sucks!!"
"Have you played it?"
"No, but it's Bethesda making it"
"So?"
"So they fucking suck and you fucking suck for not agreeing with me!!!"
"STALKER was shite, I hated it!! I hated it!!!"
"Why?"
"Because I couldn't get past those invisible walls!!"
"..."
"Mass Effect sucks balls!! Bioware should be fucking sued for making such an awful game! I want my 4hrs of gameplay time back!!"
"Why do you say that?"
"Because I HAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE white, blue and red conversation choices!! I want to be able to influence the story with the powah of my miiiiiiiiiind!!!!!"
"DIAF"
Recognize a pattern yet?
It's obvious most people don't even LIKE videogames, hence the constant bashing and slagging-off of every game on the market. So why don't you just sell your consoles or your PCs .. get a damned rocking-chair and go sit in front of the fire, whining about "back in my day.."
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:02 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:05 Post subject: |
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Oh yeah.. I forgot the obligatory;
Flame on.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:07 Post subject: |
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Stalker had invisible walls? That's new!
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:07 Post subject: |
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This is true, partially because people are living in the 90s. They don't understand new games will never be the same as what they consider classics. Plus they have 10+ years of memories boiling in their heads to make them even grander than they really were. So these fanbois come here and cry "Oh noes, they are raping the franchise, making it Oblivion with guns! Oh noes! Fuck them!"
Hey, if you like your classics so much, go play them and stfu. Lets see how long you last in playing them.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:08 Post subject: |
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Well for a lot of people that have been into gaming for a long time (say, long enough to remember how awesome the old Lucasarts adventure games were), watching the games industry grow and change must've been tough and has understandably left some of them bitter. Games cost a lot more money to make than they did before so there's less room for innovation, and since the industry has grown so huge it's all about making a profit nowadays.
Also, in order to reach the largest demographic possible, games have been streamlined - made less complex and easier overall. There's no real challenge anymore, which is what the hardcore gamers want.
That's at least the viewpoint of the disgruntled forum ranters as I see it. And for the most part I tend to agree, but it's pointless fighting the windmills - either you keep playing only the old classics, deal with the fact games have changed or quit gaming altogether.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:11 Post subject: |
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Your arguments have no sense at all wtf does it mean plain and simple, unless you have a crystal ball that is a stupid thing to say you don't now how these games will turn out.
You're gaming standards are pretty low too I have to say, I will go out on limb here and try to guess your age since most games these days are meant for the younger generation, let's say seventeen?
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:13 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: | Your arguments have no sense at all wtf does it mean plain and simple, unless you have a crystal ball that is a stupid thing to say you don't now how these games will turn out.
You're gaming standards are pretty low too I have to say, I will go out on limb here and try to guess your age since most games these days are meant for the younger generation, let's say seventeen? |
So you're going to attack me because I have a differing opinion than yours? Yep, that just about sums up the populace on this board.
FYI, I'm 27. I've been gaming a lot longer than most of you on here - I *know* how the industry has changed. But what I don't do is piss and moan about every game coming out.
So, kindly, STFU.
As for "you don't know how these games will turn out" THANK YOU! It's about fucking time one of you has used that lump of grey tissue you supposedly call a brain.
Stop slagging off each and every game, stop claiming "it's shite, it's crap, it's awful" when you haven't even PLAYED them yet.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:19 Post subject: |
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I don't blame anyone for anything! I just hate all this "the game will be shit" nonsense about games that aren't even out yet. Then we have games that ARE out .. and, again, everyone and their grandmother are slagging them off because of god-knows what reason.
You didn't cause this rant, it's just something that's been irking me for ages now. Is it really any wonder why we get run-of-the-mill trash these days?
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:22 Post subject: |
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Okay you're older than me  it was just a guess dude, I think there are a lot of great modern games, like Evil Genious it was very fresh and original, but there are a lot more games these days than before which menas a ton of crapy games more than before. I think fallout3 pissed this wild, uncontorlled rant and people have legitamte reasons for being pesimistsc about that game, it's not a wild guess it's the horendus e3 trailers and interviews that triggered it.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:24 Post subject: |
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| skytzu wrote: | | for example one of the best games i ever played and still play online is starcraft, i put that one as exemple for other games, ofc i dont see any other rts that i like more than starcraft |
You obviously haven't played Dawn of War...  |
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:30 Post subject: |
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No, of course not... I just don't get what people see that much in that game. It was a nice strategy that came and passed. Nothing special.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:36 Post subject: |
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This is such a flawed argument. You make baseless assumptions, boil down criticism into easily dismissable caricature, claim it helps propagate poor games and then try and pass off your slavish perspective as some how being normal. Well it's not.
Everyone likes fun games, and whilst the literal definition of fun is pretty obvious the subjective interpretation meanwhile differs from person to person. In that respect I could understand why you enjoy Space Siege and others don't. There are many games, pieces of music, film, literature I like, rate and enjoy which others would not. If I said my favourite book was Jurassic Park to someone who reads more esoteric stuff then he'd probably laugh his head off. That's life.
| Quote: | | Hey, if you like your classics so much, go play them and stfu. Lets see how long you last in playing them. |
Leo, the sweet irony in all of this is that many people do.
Again; your debasing of the argument hinges entirely on your perspective being seen as undeniably correct and everyone else's criticism being dismissed as meaningless whining. That's not the case, in fact if anything those who 'cried' about Fallout 3 have been vindicated by the recent spate of news - we'll only know how much for ourselves when the game is released.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:36 Post subject: |
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i never played dawn of war online, so i cant say how it is but talking in singleplayer, i like that we have all those variety of races but what really lacks and screws a bit of the experience is a the lack of a nice campaign with a nice story.
i give a big priority for a game with a nice story even if the gameplay sucks a bit i keep hooked to see how the story goes. but that doesnt mean that i dont enjoy games with great gameplay and no story.. because i liked very much to play dawn of war.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:40 Post subject: |
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there is only one word to explain all this ...
it's called
OPINION.
you are entitled to your own, but let others have theirs too. If someone doesn't like a game you do like (like in our case, i really didn't like Space Siege, while you seem to love it) then thats it. Why bother and try to change someones opinion ? Does it even matter ? No. The game is what it is anyway, up to anyone to make the best of it.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:58 Post subject: |
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Wrong section, move this shit to bitching
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 12:59 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | This is such a flawed argument. You make baseless assumptions, boil down criticism into easily dismissable caricature, claim it helps propagate poor games and then try and pass off your slavish perspective as some how being normal. Well it's not.
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Baseless assumptions? *Everything* I typed has come from the people on THESE boards. That hardly qualifies as baseless. In fact, if you so wish, I can happily dredge up quotes showing exactly, word for word, what was said in relation. They're neither assumptions nor baseless.
Criticism doesn't even begin to cover the shit I read everyday - and yes, that's EXACTLY why we have poor games these days. Developers get feedback and it's invariably the same, bullshit, rhetoric that is spouted on here -- so what happens? Do they think "oh, our title was well received. We'll make another"? No, not by a long shot. Instead they think "Oh. It looks like people hated our work. Guess we won't do that again, instead we'll make another MMO. People seem to like those"
I'm all for opinions, but it seems most of you guys aren't. Look at all the shit surrounding Oblvion, Deus Ex 2, Fallout 3, Sapce Siege. I enjoy those games (exception granted to FO3 since I've not played it - but I like what I've SEEN so far) ... and I get hammered because of that. Is that fair? Fuck no it isn't. It seems your "logic" is massively skewed in this respect, as while you claim that everyone is entitled to their opinions .. I'm denied, or criticised, for having my own? Interesting.
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Everyone likes fun games, and whilst the literal definition of fun is pretty obvious the subjective interpretation meanwhile differs from person to person. In that respect I could understand why you enjoy Space Siege and others don't. There are many games, pieces of music, film, literature I like, rate and enjoy which others would not. If I said my favourite book was Jurassic Park to someone who reads more esoteric stuff then he'd probably laugh his head off. That's life.
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Agreed and you don't see ME bashing other people for their tastes either, do you?
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Again; your debasing of the argument hinges entirely on your perspective being seen as undeniably correct and everyone else's criticism being dismissed as meaningless whining. That's not the case, in fact if anything those who 'cried' about Fallout 3 have been vindicated by the recent spate of news - we'll only know how much for ourselves when the game is released. |
Vindicated? No they haven't. They've slated a game based off two things;
1. Past experience with a previous title. That alone is preposterous in the highest order. You can't base a new game on the merits or demerits on it's predecessor.
2. A short dev-walkthrough showing absolutely NOTHING about the game except one, small, walk down a broken road - and the combat system. Yet because of that, everyone has postulated every conceivable feature and setting of the game!! How the fuck can you people claim the AI is crap when you haven't SEEN IT!? How can they say the story is weak and uninspired when NOBODY HAS SEEN IT!?
I'm sorry if you don't agree, but my OPINION (I am entitled to one, whether you agree or not) is that yes .. people are needlessly WHINING.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 13:03 Post subject: |
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I don't bash a game unless I paid for it tbh.
which I don't well rarely if I really need to.
as for today's games they focus more on the graphics hence the short gameplay time well 15 hours for an RPG is considered very low. also a lot of games are being dumbed down coniderably , tactics and strategy isn't so popular anymore hence the R6 transformed dramatically from tactic to very arcade which is still fun but it is dumbed down the reason I think for dumbing down games is consoles being so much of a good business and console kiddies are rarely interested in games that require some brains
yes I agree with you some people are either hard to please or just want to feel special disagreeing with everyone. that's why we have piracy if you didn't like the game uninstall it with no regrets since you didn't pay anything
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 13:07 Post subject: |
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I did not like space siege, it felt so linear and old. It didn't have a real story. I guessed how the story would be 5 minutes into the game, and I was correct. There where no items of such. If it's a sequel to Dungeon Siege it's a huge let down.
But I liked the idea of the game, to bad that they dropped the ball on the execution though
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 13:19 Post subject: |
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| Ispep wrote: | | Quote: | | Hey, if you like your classics so much, go play them and stfu. Lets see how long you last in playing them. |
Leo, the sweet irony in all of this is that many people do.
Again; your debasing of the argument hinges entirely on your perspective being seen as undeniably correct and everyone else's criticism being dismissed as meaningless whining. That's not the case, in fact if anything those who 'cried' about Fallout 3 have been vindicated by the recent spate of news - we'll only know how much for ourselves when the game is released. |
I know, I know. I never claim to be impartial, or correct. I just state my opinion (as stated by my NPiracied signature). And when I talk about whining, I don't mean the ones that state valid points. I mean the regular cry babies, the ones that moan in every game, how shallow they are, or how they never compare to the games from the 90s, how they always look bad, how this and how that.  Basically old dinosaurs living in the 80s or 90s. This is wrong in my opinion. The game industry is an industry now, accept it, old farts, or go away to your fond memories of the far past (or to indy games  ). |
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 13:30 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: |
2. A short dev-walkthrough showing absolutely NOTHING about the game except one, small, walk down a broken road - and the combat system. Yet because of that, everyone has postulated every conceivable feature and setting of the game!! How the fuck can you people claim the AI is crap when you haven't SEEN IT!? How can they say the story is weak and uninspired when NOBODY HAS SEEN IT!? |
Granted I can't judge what I haven't seen, BUT I can judge what I did see, and what I saw, I did not like, you did and there is the difference in opinion, not sure why you want force on us to like F3 trailers and Space siege when at the same time you state we should respect each others opinions. There are also troublesome interviews for F3 that are providing some answers and are clearly going in the opposite direction from what I would personally like, also a very negative preview on eurogamer about F3, now you have to know some history about previews and smash-hit games they are usually 99% positive, also the negatives in that preview collaborated with some of the things that worried me about the game before I read it which in turn makes me believe that they are true. So you see it's not just the producer walkthrough it's other things as well.
| Quote: | | people are needlessly WHINING. |
Well only one person is whining here
Aye better days will come, for me at least, I am looking forward to empire total war, maybe Stalker it looks nice, until than back to playing Space Rangers 2.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 13:35 Post subject: |
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| LeoNatan wrote: | | Ispep wrote: | | Quote: | | Hey, if you like your classics so much, go play them and stfu. Lets see how long you last in playing them. |
Leo, the sweet irony in all of this is that many people do.
Again; your debasing of the argument hinges entirely on your perspective being seen as undeniably correct and everyone else's criticism being dismissed as meaningless whining. That's not the case, in fact if anything those who 'cried' about Fallout 3 have been vindicated by the recent spate of news - we'll only know how much for ourselves when the game is released. |
I know, I know. I never claim to be impartial, or correct. I just state my opinion (as stated by my NPiracied signature). And when I talk about whining, I don't mean the ones that state valid points. I mean the regular cry babies, the ones that moan in every game, how shallow they are, or how they never compare to the games from the 90s, how they always look bad, how this and how that. Basically old dinosaurs living in the 80s or 90s. This is wrong in my opinion. The game industry is an industry now, accept it, old farts, or go away to your fond memories of the far past (or to indy games ). |
It's really getting old you bitching about other people playing old games, why don't you shut up and go play some new games since you like them so much see it goes both ways.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 13:37 Post subject: |
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I don't bitch about people playing old games, I do too. I bitch about dinosaurs stuck in the past, like you.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 13:38 Post subject: |
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Demigod is going to own. Plain and Simple.
DotA does own. Plain and Simple.....
PS, I love DoTA.
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Sabin, your post is full of baseless assumptions. In the first few paragraphs alone you jump to wild conclusions suggesting people no longer find videogames fun, how they are expecting the next 'Titanic' equivalent, that if a game doesn't ironically have Crysis-level graphics, a John Williams score or a Hollywood blockbuster story it's instantly torn to shreds by frustrated, white, teenage virgins. All baseless assumptions designed to prep your argument before you go on to suggest this fallacy is somehow feeding a self-fulfilling prophecy of generating even shittier games. You then produce a listing of titles in development which you personally state will "own, plain and fucking simple" and follow it up with a heavily caricatured conversation with a troll who doesn't like Fallout 3.
Your post is full of assumptions, and you'll do well not to lump trolls with the more constructive posters on this forum who took the time to create and post reasoned arguments against Fallout 3.
I'm not going to bother discussing Fallout 3 here, I've posted enough in the main thread and there's enough discussion on the internet already that it's not worth re-treading ground. Suffice to say that you aren't taking on board the main arguments and are aggregating trolls with constructive posters to form a collectively whining posse - hence your difficulty in understanding their position as it's muddied somewhat 
Indeed, if you go to places such as NMA (which is also heavily caricatured) you'll find a great many differing opinions, some looking forward to Fallout 3, others indifferent and yet more variation in those who don't like what they've seen, read, and deciphered. The idea that you can't form a negative opinion on what has been revealed already is humorous when you yourself are declaring it the bee's knees from that same information.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 13:40 Post subject: |
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| madmax17 wrote: |
Granted I can't judge what I haven't seen, BUT I can judge what I did see, and what I saw, I did not like, you did and there is the difference in opinion
Aye better days will come, for me at least, I am looking forward to empire total war, maybe Stalker it looks nice, until than back to playing Space Rangers 2. |
You don't understand, or perhaps don't see, but this isn't a simple case of "I don't like it" -- that, at least, is understandable. It's a case of "Someone else is hating, so I will"
As a friend of mine said; "Irrational hate is the new black"
It's a trend. One person slates something, and I'm not just talking about FO3, and then suddenly there's fifty or sixy more sheep all bleating the same thing. Whatever happened to people making their own minds up? It's the Vista fiasco all over again -- people who have never even TRIED it.. are repeating the same sheep-like anti-Vista sentiments over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over (getting bored yet?) and over and over and over and over and over and over and over (I typed all this, no C/P) and over and over and over and over and over.
@Ispep
"Irrational hate is the new black"
There are no "well constructed posts" - there are just blathering drivel from people without a clue. They're merely repeating the same old shit, over and over (don't make me do that again, please)
=Edit=
I've noticed something; The amount of hate being leveled against me because of this thread. Mayhap I struck a nerve? Hmm...
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