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| Flowmo wrote: | SOMEONE! PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD BEFORE IT ESCALATES INTO WORLD WAR 4!
oh wait, forgot about Russia and Georgia. Err...
WORLD WAR 5! |
Wait, when did 3 happen? Iraq?
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 18:20 Post subject: |
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It's just down to personal preference as to what you like to play and what appeals to you. Sure there were loads of great games out in the 80's and 90's but for the number of good games out during those days, there were still twice as many shitty ones too. So nothings really changed.
If you are interested in a particular game, it doesn't really matter if hundreds are saying it's crap as in all likelihood you will still want to find out for yourself. Unless the same haters are giving some intelligent and valid reasons as to why they don't like it, comments such as
" this game is shit" usually goes straight over peoples heads anyway. At least such comments have never swayed me in what I buy or play. If there are people out there that always believe what they are told and follow suit, I think they have bigger problems in life then worrying whether of not they should be playing a certain game or not.
Besides at the end of the day it really doesn't matter because what you do with your money is no ones business but your own. If you like a game enough then you will buy it.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 18:23 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | So you're basically doing what you're telling ME off for doing; criticising me and blaming me for the downfall of gaming. Where's the logic in that?
*YOU* think Oblivion sucks. A couple million other gamers disagree with you. As do I. I thoroughly enjoyed Oblivion and the mods make it 10x better too, whereas Morrowind - IMO - is buggy trash. Am I allowed to voice that opinion without being hated on? Apparently not. Why is my opinion frowned upon while yours isn't? Just take a look at the replies in this thread, ffs! I am getting HAMMERED by almost everyone, all of whom detest FO3 before it's even out. I voiced legitimate complaints about the gaming world in general .. and I'm hated for it.
I'm not saying FO3 is going to be the best game ever. I'm not saying Mass Effect was the best game ever - what I AM saying is neither deserve the intense hatred spat at them. I am fully capable of seeing flaws in games, even my favourite ones, but the opposite isn't true for you guys. Not one of you can admit that those games have GOOD points too.
| korkin wrote: | | Stupid people are people too and they too deserve their needs catered |
More personal attacks? What's the matter, can't reason without resorting to "name calling"? |
You seem to be misunderstanding me completely. Your criticism of games is fine. However your praise of video games that suffer from the same problems as the games you criticize is just something I can't understand.
If I were to say I dislike Italians and then turned around and claimed to love Al Pacino don't you see a little problem with that? Because thats exactly what your doing right now. Oblivion suffers some many of the major problems that Crysis also did yet you hate one while praising the other.
Your argument has also seemed to have completely random on this topic now. You start off bashing people who have criticism towards games. Then you open criticize Crysis and Morrowind and act like a victim because people argue with you when you criticize them. You seriously seem like your bi polar.
Also I would like to point out that Oblivion was a graphics whore game thats why it has so many people who like it and why it was such a hit even on the consoles. Thats the only reason why you will get so many people to defend it. As far as gameplay or story it fails.
Also a game should never be judged on its mods its not up to nor should it be expected for the modding community to make a game good.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 18:25 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | "I hate CoD4 because it's scripted" -- What the fuck!? The entire SERIES was scripted! It's designed that way! |
The original COD, if I still remember right, was nowhere near as scripted as COD4 is. 2 and 3 I've never tried.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 18:29 Post subject: |
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| korkin wrote: | | Flowmo wrote: | SOMEONE! PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD BEFORE IT ESCALATES INTO WORLD WAR 4!
oh wait, forgot about Russia and Georgia. Err...
WORLD WAR 5! |
Wait, when did 3 happen? Iraq? |
Nah, come and take a look in my room, then you'll know where WW3 was... xD
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 18:32 Post subject: |
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Yet here I am, able to complete the game using the mouse movement controls -- and I didn't die ONCE. How's that for clumsiness?
Your skill with the game does not affect the fact that the way dodging was implemented was clumsy. Make a poll, others will agree.
I won't deny the vast similarities to "Shadowgrounds" - but I will remind you that Space Siege *isn't* Shadowgrouns!
It *isn't* Dungeon Siege either.
The fact is that keyboard movement in the game would have been for the better.
Gustave the Steel
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 19:14 Post subject: |
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Bah.
Majority of gamers today are grown-ups, yet the games are still designed for kiddies. Big wonder that people complain? (by my definition, underage are not "people", so we can ignore most of the tripe that floats around here)
Basically I’m after two things in games:
A.) Immersive experience (created by story, atmosphere and characters)
B.) Enjoyment (smooth game-play, right level of challenge, innovation etc.)
Unfortunately I’ve not seen many games today that’d really excel on either of those. I consider myself quite the realist – I’m not expecting every new game to feel the same way as it did feel to play my first computer game ever. What I’m expecting is that I’ll experience either A or B (having both would be unrealistic) while playing the game. Understandably, after playing a lot of games, I may have higher standards than average gamer does.
It’s exactly the same with movies. I’ve seen a lot of mindless action flicks during my day, so I tend to ignore most such releases and go for something more highbrow. I try to not go around criticizing action flicks or the people who enjoy them either.
I’m perfectly fine watching a movie with low budget if the story is good, or they really did something innovative with the movie. As quite a few stories have been told and movies have been made, I don’t expect for every movie to be ground breaking.
Now, with games I’m stuck in watching action flicks that are disguised as serious drama. The explosions are big and the CGI is impressive, but it’s still catered towards the 12-year old demographic (despite the blood and violence). And I shouldn’t complain, because games are supposed to be FUN!
Gamers are growing out of gaming. And absurdly they are doing it at the point of their lives where they finally start having the money for buying the games. What are gaming companies thinking?
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 19:22 Post subject: |
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| AKofC wrote: | Yet here I am, able to complete the game using the mouse movement controls -- and I didn't die ONCE. How's that for clumsiness?
Your skill with the game does not affect the fact that the way dodging was implemented was clumsy. Make a poll, others will agree.
I won't deny the vast similarities to "Shadowgrounds" - but I will remind you that Space Siege *isn't* Shadowgrouns!
It *isn't* Dungeon Siege either.
The fact is that keyboard movement in the game would have been for the better. |
Perhaps, and I appreciate your POV -- but having mouse control was fluid for me and I had no issues dodging enemy attacks. I'm sure most people, given the typical responses on here about the game, would agree with you .. but that doesn't make the game as terrible as those same people are claiming. There was nothing, in my experience at least, that made the game so "terrible" :-\
| tonizito wrote: | | sabin1981 wrote: | | "I hate CoD4 because it's scripted" -- What the fuck!? The entire SERIES was scripted! It's designed that way! |
The original COD, if I still remember right, was nowhere near as scripted as COD4 is. 2 and 3 I've never tried. |
You mean it had less cut-scenes? Yes, true. As for being more or less linear? False.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 19:27 Post subject: |
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I don't recall saying that the game was terrible because it didn't allow you to use the keyboard to move.
And I don't think people are calling it terrible because of that.
What happened with Space Siege was that people were expecting the next Dungeon Siege because of the name. What they got was vastly different, and while not a bad game, it simply failed to meet the expectations levied upon it by its name.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 19:30 Post subject: |
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Did not read the whole thread, but for me it has allot to do with "us" gamers being spoiled or numbed.
Like everything in the media, films, news or what have you. We have seen and done almost everything already. Or so we think.
So when something really different comes, we jump on that and set up a new "benchmark", every thing after that has to beat that or else we simply turn it down as junk.
With today's fast moving development of EVERYTHING, even the impossible somehow seems familiar and dated, even before it's out.
And also remember that any game or film for that matter is talked about 1-2 years before it's even out. That gives you a lot of time to get used to the concept and simply go "seen that done that" when it's finally due.
Only my 2 cents on this.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 19:31 Post subject: |
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| AKofC wrote: | I don't recall saying that the game was terrible because it didn't allow you to use the keyboard to move.
And I don't think people are calling it terrible because of that.
What happened with Space Siege was that people were expecting the next Dungeon Siege because of the name. What they got was vastly different, and while not a bad game, it simply failed to meet the expectations levied upon it by its name. |
Now THAT I agree with! My whole point about this thread was how so many people now just attack and hate on games for the simplest of reasons, if any at all - yet you, thankfully, have managed to convey WHY you didn't like it - in a proper manner.
Not "this game is fucking shit, anyone who likes it is a fucking dickhead. the graffix are shit, the sound is shit, the gameplay is shit" -- All of which are either;
A. Subjective and should contain, at all times, "... are shit to me, subjectively"
B. Erroneous
Take your pick.
I've got my own list of faults with Space Siege. Again, I am using that soley as an example --- and also one comment pisses me off; "The only reason you enjoy that game is because you bought it. New-car owner syndrome" That's fucking horseshit and the words of a troll, not a reasoned argument. I've got a TON of games that I think are shite - and I paid for all of them. 
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tonizito
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 20:40 Post subject: |
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| sabin1981 wrote: | | You mean it had less cut-scenes? Yes, true. As for being more or less linear? False. |
What bugs me most is stuff like the re-spawning copter gunner in the farm mission and some scenes with infinite soldiers popping from the same corner; COD had scripted scenes and was just as linear as COD4 but it didn't have annoying stuff like that ( ...I guess; it's been a while since I played it, but back then the game really surprised me since I usually hate WW2 shooters ).
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 20:48 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 22:19 Post subject: |
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Lol sabin, you are such a drama queen. Im literally laughing here how you make yourself into a victim as if everyone against you, and wants to quarter you for your opinion. Sheesh, its games, who gives a crap what people think about a game you think is fun, let people think whatever the fuck they want.
Also you say FFXIII is going to own. Based exactly on what? You say people shouldnt judge FO3 from the gameplay videos, interviews, past history of the devs, but yet you say FFIII is going to own but all we saw was a shit load of CGI trailers with a ns long glimpse of gameplay. Personally FO3 looks like a fun game to me, dont think it will be a game of millennium, but i think i will definitely enjoy it.
Haha, fucking relax, enjoy the games that you do enjoy and dont pay attention to what people say about them.
Sig too big. -Nothing is too big for Fedor. Expect a nasty armbar.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 22:40 Post subject: |
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| Krest wrote: | Lol sabin, you are such a drama queen. Im literally laughing here how you make yourself into a victim as if everyone against you, and wants to quarter you for your opinion. Sheesh, its games, who gives a crap what people think about a game you think is fun, let people think whatever the fuck they want.
Also you say FFXIII is going to own. Based exactly on what? You say people shouldnt judge FO3 from the gameplay videos, interviews, past history of the devs, but yet you say FFIII is going to own but all we saw was a shit load of CGI trailers with a ns long glimpse of gameplay. Personally FO3 looks like a fun game to me, dont think it will be a game of millennium, but i think i will definitely enjoy it.
Haha, fucking relax, enjoy the games that you do enjoy and dont pay attention to what people say about them. |
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 23:01 Post subject: |
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plus one
"YARR! We be stealin' yer games an plundrin' yer gold!" sez the pirate.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 23:01 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 23:04 Post subject: |
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+1, stfu and play games for fun like the rest of us.
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| Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2008 23:14 Post subject: |
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in cod4 (dunno the other cod's) the constant respawning made you move forward. There was no stalling or "killing them from afar and walk through (sniper ?). Its meant to be that way to push you forward, and i liked it that way.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008 00:09 Post subject: |
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sabin pwnd. u emo kid !!1 cry me a river !!
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008 05:20 Post subject: |
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this thread =  now.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008 08:12 Post subject: |
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You know, I do believe I've seen you argue points with people and whine about how it's your opinion and there's no argument.
A couple of those games you mentioned...ya...they do in fact suck shit.
STALKER for one, shit AI, shit combat system, shit dialogue, I've been playing and loved games for years and...well...the only thing ive yet to find good about stalker is........um......you could eat candy bars?
Mass Effect? Give me a break, might as well throw halo pwns 1!!1 in that sentence. Game is nothing more than a revision of Jade Empire with shittier controls
Deus Ex 2? Well, that just ends this post. Your post had heart and good intentions, but your list of games is a joke.
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| Posted: Wed, 20th Aug 2008 09:37 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | STALKER for one, shit AI, shit combat system, shit dialogue, I've been playing and loved games for years and...well...the only thing ive yet to find good about stalker is........um......you could eat candy bars?
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Holy shit candy bars!? Best game eva!
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